Do 'inactive' account votes for witnesses affect the witness ranks? by abh12345

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Do 'inactive' account votes for witnesses affect the witness ranks?
#### Repository
https://github.com/steemit/steem

This is a follow-up analysis which is an attempt to determine if inactive accounts have any impact on the witness rankings.

The initial contribution is here: https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@abh12345/do-inactive-account-votes-for-witnesses-affect-the-witness-ranks

In the previous contribution, 180 days was used as the cut-off point for an 'inactive' account.  This time, multiple cut-off dates are analysed against various activity dates.

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### Contents
###

- Background
- Assumptions / Criteria used
- Results
- Overview and analysis of results
a) Last bandwidth update
b) Last vote or comment
c) Last witness vote change
- Summary
- Scripts used in the production of this report

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### Background
###
There have been a number of discussions recently regarding inactive accounts that have votes cast for witnesses.

The basic premise is that in order to vote for say an election, or a change in government, the voter must:

- be alive
- show proof of identification
#### 
If the above is not true, then a when election time comes, a new vote cannot be cast. 

Within the Steem blockchain code, obviously there is currently no mechanism to check the user of an account is deceased or has lost their keys (identification).  And so as it stands, the witness votes cast prior to one or both or these events occurring will remain in place forever.

From: https://steemit.com/steem/@ats-witness/steem-witnesses-vote-number-and-decay

> Our witnesses ought to be representative of the active invested voters.
#### 
>  ... to help ensure that votes are being cast by active users and to help ensure that witnesses are being routinely scrutinized/vetted and voted on accordingly, requiring β€œstale” votes to be recast periodically could be a beneficial protocol for the Steem blockchain.
#### 
> ... requiring a periodic vote will mitigate against truly inactive and/or uninterested voters. It can also help mitigate against entrenched witnesses that may have veered from their witness responsibilities and their stated intentions/goals.

In the post linked above, the following is put forward as a possible date to commence 'vote decay' on a witness vote that has been cast by an 'inactive' account:

1. A vote will begin to decay 52 weeks after being cast.
2. Decay will occur over a 13-week period (the same weekly influence reduction and time-frame as a full SP power-down cycle).

This analysis includes work to assess if these dates, or a shorter timespan would have any effect on the witness ranks.

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### Assumptions / Criteria used
### 
For the purpose of this analysis, 60, 90, 180, 365, and 465 days have been chosen as the number days to assess inactivity.  

These dates have been used against the following criteria:

- Last bandwidth update
- Last witness vote change
- Last vote and/or last comment (including post)

All votes are accounted for, including proxy -> proxy -> proxy -> proxy -> proxy -> witness

For this report, only the active witnesses are accounted for, and this list was taken from https://steemian.info/witnesses on the 29th October 2018 at 2:30 pm UTC.

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### Results
### 

To collate the data, every accounts VESTS voting for each witness, via proxy or directly, have been totaled depending on the criteria stated in the previous section.

 - 5 dates: 60 days, 90 days, 180 days, 365 days, and 465 days
- Inactivity criteria: Last bandwidth update (any activity), Last witness vote, and/or last vote or comment/post

<sub><b>Data was collected from SteemSQL and stored locally on the 29th October 2018 at 2:30am UTC.</b></sub>

The raw data, which can be copied into excel directly, for the sections below can be found here:

Bandwidth inactivity data: https://hackmd.io/s/BkaYBir37
Last witness vote inactivity data : https://hackmd.io/s/r1CvLsr3m
Last vote and/or comment inactivity data: https://hackmd.io/s/H1F9LjS2m

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### Overview of results
###

#### Last bandwidth update
####
This field holds a date in which any activity on the Steem blockchain last took place.  This should include transactions such as the time of last vote, or the last wallet transfer, or also the last game/cards reveal on Steemmonsters.com

The next table displays the various percentages of total voting MVESTS when using the 5 inactivity dates stated above.  

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmYZmDr17kHBRhDPwdFPrebtx95td3dbzYZMy6n3jc2mkz/image.png)


From this table we can make the following observations:

- The vast majority of MVESTS (held by the accounts) voting for any of the top 100 witnesses have performed some activity in each of the inactivity dates analysed

- The positions of the top 20 witness would remain unchanged if witness votes 'dropped' on any of the dates analysed

- Despite being perhaps the fairest date to use to decide if an account is inactive of not, using the last bandwidth update date would have next to no effect on witness standings throughout all active witness placings

In this chart which uses the last bandwidth update data, the witnesses have been grouped (in original MVEST order), 20 at a time, and the percentages are averaged within these groups.

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmRdcpKQLmqNBfnJ41JSut6BLMNaHAas47qk7AnFNJKFWe/image.png)

This again shows that the 'movement' between the rankings is negligible, and the only noticeable figure is the activity in the past 60 days of the accounts voting for the top 20 witnesses.  However, this percentage is less than 1% lower than each of the other witness rank groupings.

When you spend a lot of time gathering data for an analysis, and the results are like this, it's a little disheartening to say the least!

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#### Last vote or comment (on content)
#### 

For this table, a combination of the last vote and last comment dates were used.  If either of these dates fell within the ranges specified, the MVESTS were included in the calculations.  For the column headings, 'VC' stands for 'Vote or Comment', and the number, e.g. '60', is the maximum date for an accounts MVEST to be counted.

Example: 69.633% of the total MVESTS voting for 'timcliff' have voted or made a comment(post) in the last 90 days

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmYsdSDT6CmZX5E2tGungiBVCPbvoFVGBqXuHJXuLCva92/image.png)


From this table we can make the following observations:

- Many percentages are much lower than 100%, for example: 

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmV4raHL4jfrVuEAHHp4W9Rhv3Hndb6168PrutfEM9teSV/image.png)

- For the accounts voting for 'aggroed', just over 2/3rds have posted or voted on content in the past 60 days, and less than 75% have posted or voted on content in the last 450 days.

Again, by grouping the witness ranks together we can see from the following table and chart that voting/posting inactivity percentages are generally lower (more activity) the further down the the witness ranking we go.

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmRfadB3jpL47h7cERyXjrNHAz1wMFho7r3nZCDFBp3smj/image.png)
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![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmV8hENviGcvWeDQaWQr9hDekZjNWCU8CN2vgrL3MgjSEK/image.png)
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If 'last vote/post' was to be used as the metric to classify inactivity, the witness rankings would look like this should 365 days be used as the cut-off date for activity.

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmcMnHLtH85byGHbZtRoN9P2JjvmVwXxDjhekTibc4MeYF/image.png)

- All of the top 20 witness rankings change
- 5 witnesses move into the top 20 
- 'rival' would lose the most positions (39), whilst 'pfunk' would gain the most positions (13) and move into the top 10

Although this metric is unlikely to be used as criteria to assess witness voter inactivity, there is at least some movement in the rankings for each of the inactivity dates assessed.


#### Last witness vote change
#### 

The final metric assessed is the last time each account voting for a particular witness, made a change to their witness votes.  If the account proxies another account to cast their votes, the date of their proxy (or their proxies proxy, etc) is used.

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmPUpxdWWXgvf4TrJFsKV4iLTtqNHqdmpXNmmAcJfFb67T/image.png)

The table above has again been summarized into another table and chart below.

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmRza17VqK6BDjWZY4H6Jy4vrw7xbQ8uBC46SMYMx8u25r/image.png)
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![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmNbu3V3mdyVFUenLxLWdgNCdm2yJ3xjhZi9wPLFjnDLRu/image.png)
#

Interestingly, the most static range is the accounts voting for witnesses ranked 80-100.  This is followed by the 0-20 range, which could have been expected to be the most static range by some.

If 'last witness vote change' was to be used as the metric to classify inactivity, the witness rankings would look like this should 365 days be used as the cut-off date for activity.

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQme7PnPDjdTp6X1vgL7CXAs2AMtyRkLXVQq2YVCGsgRPqH/image.png)

- Much of the rankings remain unchanged or adjust by 1/2 places
- 'blocktrades' regains a top 10 position, while 'smooth' drops outside the top ten
- 'charlieshrem' would fall the most places (23) with this criteria applied

As with 'last vote or comment' I cannot see this criteria being used to gauge inactivity of an account voting for a witness.  Although I feel it would make a little more sense to do so.  Further to this, the witness rankings (based on 365 days inactivity) show little change.

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### Summary
###

For the most part, the accounts holding the MVESTS voting for witnesses are active in some way.

The most 'sway' is within the 60-90 day inactivity ranges, but this may be deemed too short a time period to assess the inactivity of an account.

Using 'last bandwidth update' as criteria to assess inactivity of the accounts voting for witnesses does not affect the witness standings to any meaningful extent using any of the inactivity dates assessed.

Posting/Voting activity is associated less with the higher ranks than the lower, but this is unlikely to be used as criteria to assess for the inactivity of accounts voting.

At present, with the Steem blockchain's life at around 2.5 years, I think it is too early to consider the removal of witness votes using the inactivity criteria in this analysis.  Applying vote degradation, as well as being potentially complex, would by inference, also have little effect on the witness standings using the criteria above.

Thanks

Asher

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### Scripts used in the production of this report
###

```

-- Raw data collection for local insert

--tbl_witness
select name, vesting_shares, last_post, last_vote_time, last_bandwidth_update, proxy, witness_votes from accounts with (nolock)
order by name desc

-- tbl_witnessvotes
select account,witness, timestamp from TxAccountWitnessVotes with (nolock)

-- tbl_witnessproxy
select account,proxy,timestamp from TxAccountWitnessProxies

-------------------------

-- BANDWIDTH, 365 days

SET NOCOUNT ON
Declare @witness Varchar(2000)
Declare @total_SP float
Declare @mvests float

DECLARE WIT_CURSOR CURSOR FOR

select [wit] FROM [SteemSQL].[dbo].[witnesses]

OPEN WIT_CURSOR
FETCH NEXT FROM WIT_CURSOR
INTO  @witness

WHILE (@@FETCH_STATUS = 0)
BEGIN

Insert into tbl_witness_60
SELECT @witness, sum(cast(left(vesting_shares, len(vesting_shares)-6) as float)*495.644/1000000)
,sum(cast(left(vesting_shares,charindex(' ', vesting_shares)-1) as float))/1000000 
from [dbo].[tbl_witness]
where name in (
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1  
where witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and (
a1.last_post > getdate()-60 or a1.last_vote_time > getdate()-60 or a1.last_bandwidth_update > getdate()-60
or
a1.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessvotes] where timestamp > getdate()-60)
    )
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
where a2.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and (a1.last_post > getdate()-60 or a1.last_vote_time > getdate()-60 or a1.last_bandwidth_update > getdate()-60
or
a2.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessvotes] where timestamp > getdate()-60)
or
a2.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessproxy] where timestamp > getdate()-60)
)
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a3 on a2.proxy = a3.name
where a3.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and (a1.last_post > getdate()-60 or a1.last_vote_time > getdate()-60 or a1.last_bandwidth_update > getdate()-60
or
a3.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessvotes] where timestamp > getdate()-60)
or
a3.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessproxy] where timestamp > getdate()-60)
)
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a3 on a2.proxy = a3.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a4 on a3.proxy = a4.name
where a4.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and (a1.last_post > getdate()-60 or a1.last_vote_time > getdate()-60 or a1.last_bandwidth_update > getdate()-60
or
a4.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessvotes] where timestamp > getdate()-60)
or
a4.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessproxy] where timestamp > getdate()-60)
   )
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a3 on a2.proxy = a3.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a4 on a3.proxy = a4.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a5 on a4.proxy = a5.name
where a5.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and (a1.last_post > getdate()-60 or a1.last_vote_time > getdate()-60 or a1.last_bandwidth_update > getdate()-60
or
a5.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessvotes] where timestamp > getdate()-60)
or
a5.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessproxy] where timestamp > getdate()-60)
    )
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a3 on a2.proxy = a3.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a4 on a3.proxy = a4.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a5 on a4.proxy = a5.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a6 on a5.proxy = a6.name
where a6.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and (a1.last_post > getdate()-60 or a1.last_vote_time > getdate()-60 or a1.last_bandwidth_update > getdate()-60
or
a6.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessvotes] where timestamp > getdate()-60)
or
a6.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessproxy] where timestamp > getdate()-60)
    )

)

FETCH NEXT FROM WIT_CURSOR
INTO @witness
END

CLOSE WIT_CURSOR
DEALLOCATE WIT_CURSOR

SET NOCOUNT OFF

-------------------------

-- VOTE OR COMMENT, 465 days

SET NOCOUNT ON
Declare @witness Varchar(2000)
Declare @total_SP float
Declare @mvests float

DECLARE WIT_CURSOR CURSOR FOR

select [wit] FROM [SteemSQL].[dbo].[witnesses] 

OPEN WIT_CURSOR
FETCH NEXT FROM WIT_CURSOR
INTO  @witness

WHILE (@@FETCH_STATUS = 0)
BEGIN

Insert into tbl_witness_votes_465
SELECT @witness, 0
,sum(cast(left(vesting_shares,charindex(' ', vesting_shares)-1) as float))/1000000 
from [dbo].[tbl_witness]
where  name in (
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
where a2.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and (a1.last_vote_time > getdate()-465 or a1.last_post > getdate()-465 )
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1  
where witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and (a1.last_vote_time > getdate()-465 or a1.last_post > getdate()-465 )
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a3 on a2.proxy = a3.name
where a3.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and (a1.last_vote_time > getdate()-465 or a1.last_post > getdate()-465 )
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a3 on a2.proxy = a3.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a4 on a3.proxy = a4.name
where a4.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and (a1.last_vote_time > getdate()-465 or a1.last_post > getdate()-465 )
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a3 on a2.proxy = a3.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a4 on a3.proxy = a4.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a5 on a4.proxy = a5.name
where a5.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and (a1.last_vote_time > getdate()-465 or a1.last_post > getdate()-465 )
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a3 on a2.proxy = a3.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a4 on a3.proxy = a4.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a5 on a4.proxy = a5.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a6 on a5.proxy = a6.name
where a6.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and (a1.last_vote_time > getdate()-465 or a1.last_post > getdate()-465 )
)

FETCH NEXT FROM WIT_CURSOR
INTO @witness
END

CLOSE WIT_CURSOR
DEALLOCATE WIT_CURSOR

SET NOCOUNT OFF


--------------------------

-- WITNESS VOTE CHANGES, 365 days

SET NOCOUNT ON
Declare @witness Varchar(2000)
Declare @total_SP float
Declare @mvests float

DECLARE WIT_CURSOR CURSOR FOR

select [wit] FROM [SteemSQL].[dbo].[witnesses]

OPEN WIT_CURSOR
FETCH NEXT FROM WIT_CURSOR
INTO  @witness

WHILE (@@FETCH_STATUS = 0)
BEGIN

Insert into tbl_witness_witness_votes_365
SELECT @witness, 0
,sum(cast(left(vesting_shares,charindex(' ', vesting_shares)-1) as float))/1000000 
from [dbo].[tbl_witness]
where name in (
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1  
where witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and 
(
a1.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessvotes] where timestamp > getdate()-365)
)
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
where a2.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and 
(
a2.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessvotes] where timestamp > getdate()-365)
or
a2.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessproxy] where timestamp > getdate()-365)
)
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a3 on a2.proxy = a3.name
where a3.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and 
(
a3.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessvotes] where timestamp > getdate()-365)
or
a3.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessproxy] where timestamp > getdate()-365)
)
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a3 on a2.proxy = a3.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a4 on a3.proxy = a4.name
where a4.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and 
(
a4.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessvotes] where timestamp > getdate()-365)
or
a4.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessproxy] where timestamp > getdate()-365)
)
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a3 on a2.proxy = a3.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a4 on a3.proxy = a4.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a5 on a4.proxy = a5.name
where a5.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and 
(
a5.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessvotes] where timestamp > getdate()-365)
or
a5.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessproxy] where timestamp > getdate()-365)
)
union
select a1.name from [dbo].[tbl_witness] a1 with (nolock)
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a2 on a1.proxy = a2.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a3 on a2.proxy = a3.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a4 on a3.proxy = a4.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a5 on a4.proxy = a5.name
inner join [dbo].[tbl_witness] a6 on a5.proxy = a6.name
where a6.witness_votes like '%'+@witness+'%'
and 
(
a6.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessvotes] where timestamp > getdate()-365)
or
a6.name in (select distinct account from [dbo].[tbl_witnessproxy] where timestamp > getdate()-365)
)
)

FETCH NEXT FROM WIT_CURSOR
INTO @witness
END

CLOSE WIT_CURSOR
DEALLOCATE WIT_CURSOR

SET NOCOUNT OFF


--------------------------

    -- FOR DISPLAY

-- Bandwidth

select a.witness, a.vests as MV, b.vests as MV_60,  c.vests as MV_90,  d.vests as MV_180,  e.vests as MV_365,  f.vests as MV_465
  FROM [tbl_witness_all] a
  inner join [tbl_witness_60] b on a.witness = b.witness
  inner join [tbl_witness_90] c on a.witness = c.witness
  inner join [tbl_witness_180] d on a.witness = d.witness
  inner join [tbl_witness_365] e on a.witness = e.witness
  inner join [tbl_witness_465] f on a.witness = f.witness

-- Witness Vote
select a.witness, a.vests as MV, b.vests as WIT_60,  c.vests as WIT_90,  d.vests as WIT_180,  e.vests as WIT_365,  f.vests as WIT_465
  FROM [tbl_witness_all] a
  inner join [tbl_witness_witness_votes_60] b on a.witness = b.witness
  inner join [tbl_witness_witness_votes_90] c on a.witness = c.witness
  inner join [tbl_witness_witness_votes_180] d on a.witness = d.witness
  inner join [tbl_witness_witness_votes_365] e on a.witness = e.witness
  inner join [tbl_witness_witness_votes_465] f on a.witness = f.witness

-- Vote or Post
  select a.witness, a.vests as MV, b.vests as VC_60,  c.vests as VC_90,  d.vests as VC_180,  e.vests as VC_365,  f.vests as VC_465
  FROM [tbl_witness_all] a
  inner join [tbl_witness_votes_60] b on a.witness = b.witness
  inner join [tbl_witness_votes_90] c on a.witness = c.witness
  inner join [tbl_witness_votes_180] d on a.witness = d.witness
  inner join [tbl_witness_votes_365] e on a.witness = e.witness
  inner join [tbl_witness_votes_465] f on a.witness = f.witness

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@jackmiller · (edited)
$0.04
The word "decaying" is again a word being taken from EOS, while we should look at our own code and adapt to it and implemement what has been learned from real life.

i.e. When we vote, we vote for a "term in office", simple as that. (lets say 365 days)

Only diff. here being that anyone can change their vote at any time.

= "0"

and vote for someone else = "1" which would again have a max term on that vote of 365 days

ALL in line with our current code.
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@abh12345 · (edited)
$0.13
Hi Jack

Well as you can see from the above, a decaying vote (losing its MVEST total week by week) would have little effect on the rankings. Going from 365 - 465 without the decay doesn't change things much, and so for me, decaying by a % each week is not worth looking into at present.

Cheers!
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@jackmiller ·
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+ the fact that a vote losing it's MVEST worth of a vote is TOTALLY UNFAIR towards the investor who is voting for people who they believe shall represent their best interests on the total investment.

I dare say that a "decaying vote" is not only a pain in the rear in comparison to a "fixed term vote, from date of voting" as far as coding goes, but also a blunder of an idea which definitely is NOT looking after the investors best interests in any way.
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@abh12345 · 
Thank you!
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@josephsavage ·
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Interesting outcome. Incidentally the *relative* weight of any inactive user decreases over time anyway, as the total mvests steadily increase but their own proportion does not.



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@abh12345 ·
$0.03
Yes that is a good point, is it something like 8% a year?

Cheers Joseph :)
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@josephsavage ·
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I don't know the exact rate because it decreases gradually over time. I think it's a little less than that right now.

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@carlgnash · 
well it would be less than the total inflationary rate because a portion of the inflation actually goes to holders of SP anyway.  So... 15% less than whatever the current inflation rate, right?
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@doomsdaychassis ·
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I see what you are doing but wouldn't the account still show active if they sold their vote to one of the bots and just walked aay from steemit for the rest of their lives or sold their vote and died in a horrific car accident or even sold their vote and got in good with Elon Musk and ended up on Mars where the Wifi is really shitty? You see where I am going with this by now I am sure. Just because the account votes on something does not make it not dead. At that point it is basically a Democrate voter in Chicago............ a dead person voting.
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@abh12345 · 
Yes, it would.

It's tough isn't it.  For it to work fully, we need death certificates - unlikely!
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@doomsdaychassis · 
Or.......................... We could let me decide who could vote and I could be the supreme overlord of steemit. I like that better. 
:)
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@paulag ·
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great post Asher, love the innerjoin code you are mastering. Will be sending you some questions next time I have a query I wanna run.

Im rather surprised that the vote decaying doesn't change much.  Very interesting analysis
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@abh12345 · 
Thanks Paula :D

Yeah not much action over these time frames - maybe the network isn't old enough yet to start to think about vote expiry?
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@markangeltrueman · 
More joins than a carpenters workshop.
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@abh12345 · 
:D 

Brute force approach as brains to do it a better way are not available.
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@newageinv ·
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No wonder I haven’t seen you on @steemmonsters lately!  Too busy crunching numbers!  Great analysis and I wonder if this was already expected as the focus realy hasn’t been to foster much retention nor bringing inactive accounts back... It is tough to cater to a wide population given that communities can become segmented.  This is why I look forward to Hivemind as it would help engage communities closer together to foster retention.
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@abh12345 · 
I hope the same for Hivemind and expect it to help a little.

I'm on the Monsters right now, almost at level 4000 :D
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@hhayweaver ·
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Nice analysis, the results did not pan out the way I expected. I guess the majority of accounts that have voted for witnesses are active in some way on the blockchain. I suppose it could be that the inactive accounts never bothered to vote for witnesses in the first place?
Based on this research I can't see any reason to make this system more complicate than it already is, based on some perceived injustice.
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@abh12345 · 
> ..  it could be that the inactive accounts never bothered to vote for witnesses in the first place?

I would guess so, either through lack of knowledge or for a reason.  

I too think it's a little early to look into removing 'inactive' account witness votes, perhaps in a few years time...
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@bjornb ·
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Good Point, but I think indeed the hardest part is drawing the line of where you consider a Steemian inactive enough to return his/her witness votes...
On the other hand, everything that can help new witness (like this would) gets my votes! I started as a witness today! And proud of it! (I know, little child, new toy, no need to say, my wife already does that ;-) )
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@abh12345 ·
$0.03
The initial discussions were that this (among other things like listing only the top 50) unfair to newer and lower-ranked witnesses. 

From the numbers, vote cancellation isn't going to help much - yet.

Congrats on becoming a witness :D
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@bjornb · 
Thanks ;-)
Don't know if it would help or not. I was reading another post earlier that claimed it would definitely make a difference, especially to new witnesses...
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@sureshbhav88 · 
This post is very lengthy to read which looks interesting post always to read the content. I cant see my name in it, but i can see one of my friend name mentioned in top. Good information learnt from this post. Nice one!
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@miniature-tiger ·
$1.63
Nice work Asher!

> When you spend a lot of time gathering data for an analysis, and the results are like this, it's a little disheartening to say the least!

Always frustrating this. I've consigned a few analyses to the trash when the results turn out to be less-than-spectacular. Fortunately a lack of movement in witness placings on the first analysis is just as interesting as big movements would be. It shows (I think) that the current witness-voting process is probably fairly robust in response to vote-decay propositions.

I'm guessing that the big changes in the second analysis "last vote or comment" are from freedom not being a voter/commenter? The three guys that jump up the rankings are the top three witnesses without the freedom vote.
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@abh12345 · 
Great points!

> It shows (I think) that the current witness-voting process is probably fairly robust in response to vote-decay propositions.

Yes it does, I should probably state that in the post now you've pointed it out :)

> I'm guessing that the big changes in the second analysis "last vote or comment" are from freedom not being a voter/commenter? The three guys that jump up the rankings are the top three witnesses without the freedom vote.

Very likely that is the reason.

Thanks for the additional analysis on the results, appreciated :D
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@bashadow · 
There really is no way to determine who is honestly active on steemit like @doomsdaychassis pointed out. If votes for witnesses were for only a set amount of time and required a person to make one comment a year for their witness vote to continue to be active would not really work either. Automation can make comments. 

Now as we know the Dev-team is good enough to put an annoying little red banner thing on all pages of steemit - Perhaps a yearly banner - vote here to continue your witness selections or change them. Problem is do all the front ends have the ability to put a vote here banner up? Would that even be fair to an investor that voted for who they want and just want o sit back and be passive 100%?

It is not like steem is capable of sending out massive e-mails/notifications to all its share holders that it is time to vote for the board of directors.

People campaign for and against all kinds of things on steemit, so if someone is unhappy with a witness action there are ways and means to get the order changed, (they just do not work in reality - after all Jerry banfield is still a witness and he quit steemit). 

It is the top 21 witnesses that sort of have the most say, limit the number of witness votes to 7 picks for each person, and there would be less chance of 3 accounts being able to control who the top witnesses are. (and yes I know it will be pointed out that those that want to control would just make more accounts to control the list).

Witness vote - One of those complicated issues -
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@abh12345 · 
Apologies for missing this one.

> It is not like steem is capable of sending out massive e-mails/notifications to all its share holders that it is time to vote for the board of directors.

heh, nope.  But they could stick the 'red bar' at the top of the page like they did when the fork happened.

Someone else is running  Jerry's witness, you would have thought they'd want to distance themselves from the name, but his account has plenty of 'sticky' support....
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@bashadow · 
People get busy, I did not know that someone "bought" his account and name. In time it will all blow over, but people will still bring all the past back up, and the new owner may have a hard go of it.
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@crokkon ·
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Asher, that's an amazing piece of work! That must have been a hell of a work to dig through! I guess a lot of people were expecting large movements in the rankings when taking some kind of "activity" into account. Your work and the comments have pointed out that on one hand it's hard to find a suitable activity metric and on the other hand that it wouldn't change too much in the rankings.

These two actually draw a pretty positive result for Steem:
> For the most part, the accounts holding the MVESTS voting for witnesses are active in some way.

> Using 'last bandwidth update' as criteria to assess inactivity of the accounts voting for witnesses does not affect the witness standings to any meaningful extent using any of the inactivity dates assessed.

After all, the current system doesn't seem to be too broken and a vote decay doesn't magically solve everything.



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@abh12345 · 
Thanks @crokkon

Miniatures comments really conclude the analysis well, he picks out a couple of great points relating to security of the network, and with regards to the movement of the 3 witnesses who don't have the 'inactive' freedom vote.

It did take some time, but as long as subjects are under discussion on the platform, it's always worth a dig to try and support thinking.

Thanks for the review!
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@utopian-io · 
Thank you for your review, @crokkon! Keep up the good work!
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@chireerocks · 
@abh12345, In my opinion you've really deep dived and done an **In Depth Analysis** and in my opinion this post can highlight important aspect of **Witness**, **Witness Votes** and **Inactive Witness Votes**. Keep up the great work. Wishing you an great day and stay blessed. πŸ™‚
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@glenalbrethsen · 
Hey, @abh12345.

We probably need to shy away from inactivity as a all or nothing kind of thing and maybe address it from a number of levels. I would imagine anyone with stake here who cares about it and what it's doing will think they have some level of activity, rather than disinterest or a lack of passion or whatever inactivity might actually measure.

At the same time, those that are on most days, for most of the day, posting, commenting and/or curating will be doing so differently. Perhaps different terms for different levels of activity is in order? That probably complicates things, but maybe it gets us where we want to go?

I would think that there would be a difference in the way activity is viewed between the person commenting 20-plus times a day, curating at least that much, plus three posts a week, versus the account that delegates its SP to various other accounts and does little else, popping in from time to time to check in how things are doing based on whatever standards they have for delegatees.

I don't know. Those are thoughts that come to mind, late on a Saturday night as I try to wrap up another week of engagement. :)
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