Regarding Transisto and Flagging by anarcho-andrei

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Regarding Transisto and Flagging
<h4>Recently, there was an issue that arose from flagging of certain posts by @transisto.</h4>

@michelle.gent has been a prolific fiction author here on Steemit.  She's made it a point of serializing some of her content to release as individual posts.  As an author who's done the same with some of my own work, I understand how that goes; I've recently stopped serializing one of my novels because I plan to publish it through Steemhouse Publishing on the Writers' Block.

A few days ago, @transisto decided to flag several of Michelle's serialized posts.  They weren't full flags to reduce the value of her post to zero.  Near as I can tell, and by his own admission, they were posts to reduce the value of her post based on viewership, timeliness, and popularity.

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There's more than a couple of things wrong here, so I'll start with the first thing on my mind:
- **"Size of Viewership"** - I'm going to touch on this first because this is an absolute bullshit metric.  Flagging as a method for dealing with reward imbalance is something to consider, and there's plenty of cases where I would consider that to be true.  However, if one of your criteria for reducing a vote payout is because someone is *relatively unknown*, that disincents people from putting their best foot forward.  Better to stick to mainstream posting and go with the flow, lest one of their posts catch someone's eye and they get a big bonus, only to be denied it later.
- **Quality of Posting** - Quality has always been subjective, and I've been consistent in arguing that people can vote based on what they think is quality.  However, flagging posts based on that criteria opens up wide avenues for abuse.  Say you think cyberpunk fiction is just absolute garbage.  Say you're also privy to a sizeable flag.  Well, based on this criteria alone, why not nuke all cyberpunk fiction?  Quality does play a role, but we're talking the difference between a cat picture and *any reasonably produced original content.*
- **Popularity** - Given @transisto's actions, I'm assuming he meant whether or not the poster was popular, which ties back into viewership.  If not, why are you punishing people for catching more attention?

<h4>This has raised a bigger question about flagging in general.</h4>
I don't think flagging should disappear or that it should somehow change functionally.  I know those suggestions have been made elsewhere.  However, I do think that there should be some clear standards for what should result in flagging and what shouldn't.  The problem is that these decisions are, necessarily subjective.

That being said, I'm pretty sure we can all agree on some basis for flagging posts.  Spam is an obvious choice.  Something like child pornography would be another.  Posts that are poorly constructed, or are copypasta are also reasonable to consider for flagging.  However, when posts are flagged for "inadequate viewership" or not being supreme quality, users take notice.  Users see these things.

<h4> I don't care who you are; the thought of hitting an amazing payday because a whale catches your posts and gives you a bonus is a huge boost of confidence.  It's an incentive.  Declaring, essentially, that users who get a big boost on their work don't deserve it because they're not popular enough to deserve it is ludicrous.</h4>

As one of the moderators, supporters, and users of the Writers' Block, this episode has been especially relevant for me.  How are we supposed to encourage new authors to put their work out?  How are we supposed to convince authors to leave their established publishing arenas to come to Steemit?  This was damaging not just to @michelle.gent, but to the platform as a whole.  I appreciate that @transisto doesn't think that novel-writing is a good fit for the platform.  Thankfully, he's not the arbiter of what is or isn't good for Steemit.

<h4>Unless Steemit is supposed to just be about crypto, as @transisto indicated with his reward for a trending post in r/bitcoin or r/cryptocurrency, then we, as a community and as a platform, need to speak out loudly and vigorously to prevent this kind of flagging abuse.  That's exactly what this, and flagging like this, amounts to.
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@waqasahmad911 ·
great information tnx for sharing
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@everittdmickey ·
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there are two major  problems on Steemit.
Flaggin and bots.
both should be written OUT of the code.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
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I don't know about flagging necessarily; it seems a natural thing to have a downvote that correlates to upvotes.  That said, there should be by now some clearly established standards for good flagging and abusive flagging.  We're decentralized, so there isn't going to be Steemit, Inc. bearing down on us to wag a finger or slap someone's wrists.  However, those of us seeing this should speak up loudly and vociferously to indicate just how wrong someone is for doing this.
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@everittdmickey ·
you said 
_clearly established standards for good flagging and abusive flagging._
then you said
_We're decentralized_

**cough, cough, cough**
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@rocking-dave ·
Bots cannot be written out of the code. Their existence could be made a tiny bit more difficult, but they are bound to exist. And no flags would mean no option to deal with abuse. And a decentralized system needs that.
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@everittdmickey ·
if nothing can be done then things are just peachy keen ain't they?
no reason to complain.
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@negativer ·
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Absolutely and fully agree with all of this. Why should I spend 20 hours writing a short story to publish on steemit when some fellow is going to come along and flag it into oblivion because he doesn't think this type of content should have success? It's going to shut out a huge portion of what should be what steemit is about. Spend those flags on things that deserve it, like copy/paste content, spam, plagiarized material, etc.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
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Exactly.  There's plenty of material deserving of flags.  Material that is original and has some value in the quality of the content should not be flagged because the user doesn't have a large following.  This episode has exposed some of the most arrogant reasoning I've ever seen on Steemit, and I've seen a lot.
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@wandrnrose7 ·
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This issue sends ripples through the blockchain and many users are threatened by these flags. She's a good writer and her experience wanted and inspiring to us. Thanks for your thoughts.
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@johnwjr7 ·
Everyone should be able to do their own material as long as it is in good taste.  Who is to say what should be flagged and not be?
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@anarcho-andrei ·
Exactly!  I can understand spam and chain posts that are carbon copies of other posts elsewhere on the web, but this is neither.  Even in the case of carbon copy posts, if its your original content, what's the problem with marketing it across several platforms?
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@johnwjr7 ·
Right.  I have that problem.  I have content I want on several platforms.
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@andrewgenaille ·
Who makes those programming calls?  Is it the witnesses getting together to discuss that or there a central person?
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@anarcho-andrei ·
Witnesses don't have any control over that, except to not adopt certain measures.  Any programming change to the chain has to be adopted by a majority of the top 20 witnesses to become the official version.  It's a veto, in effect.
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@creatr ·
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Your points about the stated rationale for the flags are well made and well taken. However, I'd like to respectfully discuss this comment:
>*"I don't think flagging should disappear or that it should somehow change functionally."*

Unfortunately, as long as the diametrically opposite actions of adding value to a post and removing value from a post are poorly described *semantically,* this kind of problem will continue to occur.

IMHO, these behaviors should be described symmetrically, using English words that are likewise precisely opposite in meaning--i.e., upvote v downvote.

If the platform needs "flags," there should be a separate channel for that. A "flag" means that something is abusive, gaming, or otherwise a direct attack on the platform (hacking or theft) or on the poster (ad-hominem).

Furthermore, it isn't really crystal clear to me *why* we really need the downvote function, but I will confess that I am not really knowledgable enough in the detailed workings of the financial side to meaningfully make a case for that.

Thanks for a great article!

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@anarcho-andrei ·
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Oh I agree with that comment wholeheartedly.  If it's going to function as a balance to upvotes (which it currently does), then it should be called downvoting.  As far as why we really need it, look no further than the actual spam that gets nuked daily.  I think it serves a healthy function, but there needs to be some established standards that the community can rally around when someone abuses that function.  This is one such case.
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@creatr ·
I've seen what I consider to be better proposals for dealing with the proliferation of spam... from @mattclarke in particular, as I recall, but there may be others.

I think one of the best would be make commenting a privilege earned by gaining reputation.  A true "flag" would then affect reputation only, closing the door on spam.

In any case, it's pretty clear that there's work to be done! ;)
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@onthewayout ·
$1.05
To better understand why downvoting is necessary I recommend to read [this post](https://steemit.com/steem/@bitcoindoom/why-down-votes-and-flags-are-an-unavoidable-consequence-of-game-theory). One paragraph in particular is very enlightening:

> What many people may not realize is that Ned and Dan originally set out to design an up-vote-only, positive platform. They felt that the negative experience of "losing money by popular vote" would harm user experience. The system of up and down votes that we have to day is out of necessity not desire. We have to design systems that are fully compatible with the laws of human nature (game theory).
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@creatr ·
$0.16
Thank you very much for the quote and reference. I will read that post and, hopefully, arrive at a better understanding.

I really appreciate your stepping in and offering me this very relevant information! :)

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@rocking-dave ·
$0.03
I think upvotes are called upvotes for a reason and flags are called flags for a reason. They are not the same by design. Upvotes allocate reward and flags are to be used with caution to take rewards away from posts that are abuse. Anytime a flag is used to counter something that is not abuse, I view the act of flagging as abuse itself.
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@creatr ·
$0.04
Hi Dave,
>*"They are not the same by design."*

I fear that in this instance you are wrong.

The [**Steemit White Paper**](https://steem.io/SteemWhitePaper.pdf) itself tells a different story. They *are* the same, by design. At least they are said to be.

In fact, the word "Flag" is found nowhere within the WhitePaper. Search as you will you'll only find "votes," either up or down.

However, I have heard it said that down votes affect reputation more strongly than up votes. I am having a great deal of difficulty finding accurate documentation about that, but I'll keep trying from time to time.

The word "flag" has a very negative connotation, and perhaps for that reason alone the user interface should be modified to show up and down votes instead.
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@bucho · (edited)
$0.47
"timeliness and popularity" as reasons for downvoting someone's posts are garbage fucking reasons. 

like you said, "That being said, I'm pretty sure we can all agree on some basis for flagging posts. Spam is an obvious choice. Something like child pornography would be another. Posts that are poorly constructed, or are copypasta are also reasonable to consider for flagging." - NAILS IT. 

these are obvious reasons for downvoting a post. anything beyond these reasons make you a petulant, petty asshole. period. i've seen plenty of posts that i don't agree with, primarily in regards to politics...the difference is, i just avoid those posts. what is the purpose of me disincentivizing other users for their particular political leanings? there's literally no reason other than to be petty. 

michelle's great; this is the first time i've heard of transisto.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
$0.42
Well, he's going to be Steemit famous at this rate.  I don't like getting involved in this stuff and I generally avoid flag wars like the plague because I don't have a dog in the fight, but this shit is ridiculous.  The level of arrogance one would need to have to flag rewards because a user isn't popular enough to deserve them is incredible.
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@michelle.gent ·
Story of my life... never been in with the 'in crowd' but I'm of the opinion that I'll never fit in because I stand out (and up, and forward) ๐Ÿ˜†
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@vimukthi ·
Worst of all I consider this kind of flagging to be a clear infringement of the authors right to receive the rewards and also a vote against the upvoters by someone who knows better. This alone isn't bad at all. It's like nuclear energy. It could go either way. 

Infringing the rights of a person who is a threat to the platform that violate the NAP (Like a spammer) should be given the flag and have the rewards removed. But anybody who produce content has the right tor receive rewards even if it is unfair.

I barely make anything on my posts. But that's not a reason to call in re-distribution. 
Controlling distribution is just commie nonsense.
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@sircork · (edited)
$0.92
I am here to say it's incredibly stupid for an investor to flag anybody much ever at all. I really feel like this episode of Transisto deciding to play cop pretty much just makes him look like an ass, and has taught us all to tell people NOT to come here.

Does he WANT to make his investment completely worthless? Cause this is how you make your investment completely worthless.

It's inexplicable, inexcusable, erratic, unstable, manic and absolutely asinine behavior. Way to go Transisto, you are wasting your own investment by deterring anybody from ever coming here or writing anything on the platform, when asshole vigilantes can act like petulant children just because they got some of Daddy's money.

Bullies suck, and he's a bully. 

Fuck that guy. Now come flag me, big man. Like we give two shits about your idea of what people should or shouldn't do here. Seriously. Come at me bro.

Seriously Mathieu, is this all you have to do with your lonely time?
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@anarcho-andrei ·
$0.36
I can understand flagging blatant spam and some of the garbage we've seen tossed onto the chain.  There's plenty of operations that fight that kind of abusive posting, and I think that's healthy.  Policing content that you don't think deserves the amount of rewards because "they're just not popular enough to deserve it" is bullshit.
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@sircork · (edited)
$0.30
Well yeah, illegal behavior like copyright theft is the kind of thing that will get the platform and the interface companies sued. So of course. Illegal is illegal. But spam, as much as it sucks can be ignored. We did on facebook. It's annoying but it never stopped me from succeeding around it. It's not something self proclaimed vigilantes will ever fix and who are they to decide anyway?
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@vimukthi ·
I think @miti understand what flagging should and shouldn't be. I genuinely support his/her work and we share a similar philosophy on the matter. It would be nice if you can visit this link and give it a look: https://steemit.com/steemit/@miti/my-commitment-to-making-steemit-a-place-free-from-spammers

Thank you.
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@sircork ·
I don't like spam, but that account is so tiny nearly any spammer could crush it in retaliation. This work is being skillfully addressed by SteemCleaners and Witness Patrice though, for sure, with much more power behind it. All work that helps is good to fight spam though.
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@jerrytsuseer ·
$0.42
<center>Much of what you speak of here, I don't understand.
I know that flagging of a post can send it to oblivion, and 
If that is done from spite, it is
_**WRONG**_
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@sircork ·
You understood well enough!
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@thinknzombie ·
$0.91
I wholeheartedly agree. This is flag abuse pure and simple. Iโ€™m a writer of a serialized novel just the same as Michelle. Just exactly why @Transisto thinks novels are not right for Steemit, Iโ€™m not sure. Unfortunately heโ€™s not a good enough writer to get his point across coherently. In any case who the fuck voted him arbiter of whatโ€™s worthy of upvotes? We donโ€™t need or want a master editor thanks. Isnโ€™t that meant to be the point of Steemit anyway?
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@anarcho-andrei ·
$0.42
I know right?  That was my first thought:
"Man, it's a good thing @transisto is here to establish that novels don't have a place on here.  I was confused about it for a second there."
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@limabeing ·
$0.40
Upvoted and resteemed!! This is an essential discusdion. As creative content makers we all have a duty to keep speaking on it and helping the culture to see the difference between a group working to support a talented artist and a corporate backed shitpost just looking to promote nonsense like how cool they are. Im gonna write a post about that after this . Hope we all can ease the burden of this flagwar
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@anarcho-andrei ·
$0.34
Please do!  I don't see eye to eye on a lot of things with a lot of people, but I think more than most of us can agree that this kind of behavior needs to be discouraged.  With *extreme prejudice.*
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@shadow3scalpel ·
Beep! Beep! This humvee will be patrolling by and assisting new veterans, retirees, and military members here on Steem. @shadow3scalpel will help by upvoting posts from a list of members maintained by @chairborne and responding to any questions replied to this comment.
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@raised2b · (edited)
$0.32
Yep, nailed it.

Well written post and arguments against the kind of action we saw taken with @michelle.gent

I wrote up a post of my own on the topic as well, but yours touches some good points that mine does not. 

[Why it's important to flag with respect.](https://steemit.com/steemit/@raised2b/why-it-s-important-to-flag-with-respect)

I will give @transisto some props for actually engaging and communicating with her about the flag, but it's definitely brought to light a whole nother discussion about how flagging should be used.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
$0.32
I will gladly give him credit for explaining himself.  That's more than many.  The reasoning behind it, however, is awful, and his justification for it is incredible.
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@raised2b ·
$0.32
Agreed, and that's why I believe that it's important for people to actually state their reasoning for flagging, so that it can be seen by the community and discussed accordingly. Especially when it's seen as harmful and not justified.
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@preparedwombat ·
$0.32
I dIsagree with this particular flag *but* I also think that people should be free to use their SP to upvote or flag as *they* see fit.

Norman, coordinate!
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@anarcho-andrei ·
$0.32
There's plenty of use cases for having a downvote function.  This one in particular is absolute nonsense and should be derided and mocked.
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@kafkanarchy84 ·
$0.36
Well said. Thanks for bringing this issue to our attention man.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
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I'm glad that I could do that.  This is an issue that worries me not just as a Steemit user but as a fiction writer as well.
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@drakos · (edited)
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From what I gathered, if you write about cryptocurrencies, that is a good subject and is worth a $100-$200 daily reward. But if you earn rewards from other topics, you can get flagged, because you're not important and don't **bring value** to the platform...
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@anarcho-andrei ·
$0.32
Which just blasts my brain through the wall and out into the street.  
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@teknow ·
$0.32
Excellent post. I also saw this unraveling but with not much weight around here I did not post about it or involve myself too much in the posts discussing it. It's become almost like a 'snitch out who you think is getting more reward than you think they deserve'.

There are many people getting reported. Even poor little unknowns which are only scrapping cents from the reward pool. One large factor is that minuscule nobody's are sucking up to these whales and stroking their egos.

As stated in your posts and in the comments. It will not end well. Countless identities will simply take their work elsewhere and the reputation of steemit will be very tarnished. More than it already is. From the outside looking in, it's a whole lot of infighting.

Communities need to come soon. I think with that some of these kinks will be ironed out. The positive will also come as healthy competition between communities and the whales that support them. It would be a very shameful act for a whale to be meddling in the affairs of a community that they don't have any association with.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
$0.33
There are a great number of low power users that are posting garbage, like spam and plagiarized posts.  That being said, there are also low power users who are trying to make it and getting the door slammed in their face.

I hope communities improve the situation.  I think they will.
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@bl23c · (edited)
$0.32
Considering you only get a payout window for 7 days I think abusing the flag function should penalize the user, not the poster if the content isn't breaking rules (plagiarism, child pornography, etc.) . After 7 days the work is still up there for others to find in the future and for the whole community to enjoy and consume at their leisure with no further reward for the creator that did all the hard work (except maybe the occasional additional follower). Taking away even a penny in such an instance is uncouth.
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@dragonite ·
Kind a complicated issue.
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@cikxaijen ·
$1.95
One small simple question.

How do we attract celebrities with this?
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@janettetoral ·
$0.30
There are many types of bloggers / writers. We write according to what we are passionate about. If novel writing is your gig, then let those who like it - express their appreciation. If they don't like it, they can just move on and read another blog and upvote that.

if there is a post that is abusive of others, violates code of ethics (if such a thing exist), spammy / scammy, then by all means - please flag it.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
Agreed.  As mentioned elsewhere, I'm all in favor of flags existing.  I don't agree they should be used in this manner.
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@thepioneer ·
Good content I always follow your new. I hope you will follow my account if possible. I am waiting for your new.
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@techslut ·
Upvoted and resteemed. This flagging war needs to end. ASAP.
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@fingersik ·
I feel bad for using the same comment twice, but I feel I should spread my knowledge about the matter. I have been following her since  her comeback to Steemit when she was earning 3 bucks per post, therefore I feel like I have been following the whole story...

Let me tell you my point of view. Everyone is here to gain money. She knew that she has a really wealthy trail on her that was bringing most of her posts to bigger value than 100 bucks. When she came back she was writing rather sporadically and I have been following her ever since. When she realized that she has that wealthy trail on her she started posting more than 3 times per day in order to get more than one 100 bucks up vote. If she kept it to 1 per day it would be totally fine (by me), someone thought she deserves it. But she tried to game the reward pool by those actions. A whale spotted such a behaviour and flagged it. It is by no means war against fiction, nor writing, nor anything else but the try to rape the reward pool. When I have spotted the behaviour I unfollowed her, because it was in contradiction with what I want to support on the Blockchain. My stake is nowhere close for fight against 100 bucks upvotes, so not giving her the views was all I could have done. It doesnโ€™t baffle me that she has met those flags...Flag is not bullying. Flag is as important tool as upvote is...
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@anarcho-andrei ·
$0.31
That wasn't the reasoning that the flagger provided.  Moreover, it's not raping the reward pool to post multiple times if a particular user is upvoting you.  This phraseology needs to either be refined or dropped altogether.  There's no evidence of spam botting or collusion here that I've seen or anyone's provided evidence for.  Trying to maximize a stroke of good fortune is not rape in any appreciable sense.

Her post was flagged because: (1) the flagger decided that she wasn't popular enough to warrant the payout, and (2) because "novels aren't a good fit" for Steemit.  This is from the flagger directly.  To both of those counts, I can only balk at the sheer arrogance of the person doing the flagging.  Moreover, if you were in that position and witnessed this, are you suggesting you'd aim to remove her rewards completely?  Despite the fact her content is not only original but generally higher quality than a large portion of content posted to the platform?
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@fingersik · (edited)
As I said it is only my point of view. The reasoning behind his actions is not strong, itโ€™s rather invalid I agree. People here, from my experience, have a problem to admit that the biggest motivation for everyone on Steemit is money. When you spot that someone is getting ridiculous rewards (subjective matter) for the value the user is bringing you try to find better reasoning than "bigger value than what is deserved".

I think that when you hit that wealthy trail, you should try to further increase the quality of the posting, instead of its frequency. I personally deem that as a rewardpoolrape and if I was the trail I would immediately remove the auto-upvote. What evidence do you want? I didnโ€™t understand that one sorry.

And as to your questions. No If I had the power I would tell her my problem (I always do when itโ€™s not spammer with the same comment all over the platform...that I flag directly). I would be interested in hearing out what she thinks prior to taking action. I wouldnโ€™t definitely remove 100% (if the post had 100 bucks value) rather 50% if we didnโ€™t reach a consensus. Also If I was the trail I would just remove the vote. I am an advocate for quality rather than quantity and I have spotted the spamming syndrome in there. That most of the content is of lesser quality is irrelevant, I would just find different content of high quality (from my point of view)...Hope I made myself clearer than in the comment before:)
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@dbooster ·
Perhaps flagging/downvoting could be subject to appeal or review. That way we could keep flagging low-quality spammy posts, but if someone gets caught in that accidently, they could have the flag reviewed and revoked.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
And there's the rub: who watches the watchmen? 
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@dbooster ·
Indeedโ€”as always. How else to handle matters of this nature, tho? Ignore it and hope it doesn't happen again? The author in question is popular enough that the community is fighting for her, but what if this happens to someone who has less of an audience and no one to fight for them?
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@dbzfan4awhile ·
Here here @anarcho-andrei, I agree with pretty much everything except I think Flagging should not be a thing. I think it should be _Report Abuse_ where you can mark it for the Steemit Administration to check into, but I don't think downvoting should be a thing. I think once you make the money it shouldn't be something to take away.

@transisto seems to want to be King of Censorship! I thought the appeal of Steemit was 1) to be able to post anything you like as long as it's not harmful (abusive or illegal), 2) to be able to make money from your posting, & 3) to be able to post without threat of basic Censorship.

That's my 2-cents-worth, but then again I'm not a big earner so my opinion doesn't really count according to people like him.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
I disagree.  There is no Steemit Administration that handles these issues, nor should there be in my opinion.  I left Facebook (or I'm trying to, as addicted as I am) precisely because they have an administration that decides what needs to be flagged and removed.  Flagging serves a very legitimate purpose, and it should be from the users, not from a central agency with a singular vision.
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@dbzfan4awhile ·
I don't know, I can see both sides of it. If it needs to be user-driven so be it, but I still think it needs to be an abuse system not a downvote system... regardless how lame the posts are to some, pay is usually commensurate with the amount of work involved to some degree. I think, once you earn it, you should not have to worry about going backwards because someone gets pissed off at you.
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@ansarikamran ·
i think so many people falged on they are orignal post and this is not fair 
few days ago steemcleaner flaged my orignal post and said this is copy paste and that was not faire for me ...
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@anarcho-andrei ·
Your posts are all re-posts of content that isn't yours.  Your flags are eminently justified.
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@ansarikamran ·
im agree with that content but im talking about my own content my own tattoo desighn post
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@dylen ·
flag only those who have inappropriate content that can harm somebody life and do not flagging those who wants to share creativities and earn to support their life in a good competitive way..
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@embracingchaos ·
I agree: '..users take notice. Users see these things.' I was at Steemfest and loved the community atmosphere, but in a few short weeks I have become totally confused and disillusioned. Pages of a novel aren't acceptable. But neither are short posts. But auction apps are. Personally I am more interested in a one-liner that makes me laugh than a chance to sell something on Steemit, but the thing that bothers me most is the feeling of being in a bad relationship where you are watching your step as you only know whether something is 'wrong' or not after you have done it. If there are clear rules to Steemit I can make a decision whether or not I stay on this platform. If there aren't, anything goes, unless, as you said, it's something like child porn. People can't find their community unless they are given a chance to be who they are and do what they do. Without being picked on by those who don't share their tastes.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
Agreed.  It serves no one except the flagger to remove rewards from a post.  The others voting for it, unless there's some kind of evidence for collusion to actually unjustly drain the rewards pool, are voting it because they value that post to the level they've voted.
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@vimukthi ·
$0.07
This is exactly what I've been talking about even before all this started happening.https://steemit.com/steemit/@skeptic/the-steemit-issues-arguments-from-the-other-side-part-1-censorship I had some comments on the above posts and I spent few hours comment on the current matters all over the place.

steemit is a simple might (voting weight) makes it right platform where there is no constitution. I've been told that SMTs can solve this. But it won't change steemit at the protocol level. The only way that can get anything done on steemit is voting weight. Bitcoin needs a 51% attack. On steemit, any amount counts. My average revenue per vote is 4 cents. A whale can easily have 1000 times that.  Without clear pre-defined rules, steemit won't prosper as it should.

Flagging any content with quality is a zero sum game. It's just like war or presidential elections. It's a waste of energy and resources. Understand that this is a war. Get more Voting weight on the good side and understand that this needs to stop.
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@vimukthi ·
I saw several of your posts today and after seeing that I can vote you for a witness, I immediately did. I totally agree with your philosophy on this specific matter. I'm a little minnow. I don't earn much. But I know that gaining something because somebody voted against another bunch of people's votes on rewards isn't right. It's downright communism if things get into such a zero-sum game. 

Wish you the very best in all your work!
Upvoted and resteemed.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
Thank you tremendously for your support of my witness and the argument I'm presenting!
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