The Start of the "Real-Anarchy" forum, and your favorite quote by anarchyhasnogods

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The Start of the "Real-Anarchy" forum, and your favorite quote
There are capitalists all over this platform. Many of them claim to be anarchist, while in reality capitalism and anarchy are incompatible. Sadly, they have taken over the anarchist forums so creating this one was necessary.  


Now let's start the first discussion, what is your favorite anarchist quote? Mine is:

โ€œWhoever will be free must make himself free. Freedom is no fairy gift to fall into a man's lap. What is freedom? To have the will to be responsible for one's self.โ€
โ€• Max Stirner<div class="chainbb-footer"><hr><em><small><a href="https://chainbb.com/discussion/@anarchyhasnogods/the-start-of-the-real-anarchy-forum-and-your-favorite-quote">Originally posted</a> in the <a href="https://chainbb.com/f/real-anarchy">/f/real-anarchy</a> forum on <a href="https://chainbb.com">chainBB.com</a> (<a href="https://chainbb.com/chainbb/@jesta/chainbb-frequently-asked-questions-faq">learn more</a>).</small></em></div>
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@anarchyhasnogods ·
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this site keeps switching my accounts smh
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@thermador64 ·
I don't understand your assertion that capitalism and anarchism are incompatible. Anarchy means without rulers, and capitalism means the voluntary exchange of goods and services. Do you think you need a government for the exchange of goods and services? Or are you using different definitions?
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@anarchistwisdom ·
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There are socialist systems with markets.....

Capitalism is based on private ownership of the means of production
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@nonationnoborder ·
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Anarchy more particularly means without hierarchy, of course having absolutely no hierarchy is disasterous. So more or less the definition is no unjustified hierarchy. 

The main point with capitalism is the fact that capitalism must indeed have hierarchies which are unjustified such as relationship between the work and the boss. But even if so taking your definition of anarchy that it is without state, it is incredibly disasterous to let people setup their own police forces that have authority over other people: which is also why we have the government, the police isn't owned a by single entity but rather the tax payer. Ontop of that the government is quite nessecary for the capitalist economy as without it and the police there would be no one to enforce private property, which is what most of capitalism is based off.
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@wordsword · (edited)
>The main point with capitalism is the fact that capitalism must indeed have hierarchies which are unjustified such as relationship between the work and the boss.

Do you think if I mow my neighbours lawn and he washes my car that one of us is the boss and one the worker? 

Also If I make such a voluntary trade with my neighbour ,would you find it ok to stop me from making that choice?

> it is incredibly disasterous to let people setup their own police forces that have authority over other people

Those "police forces" would not have the "right to rule" as the government version has now.
If I become the so called police force in a free world, I would only have the right to do what I as a normal human being am allowed to do, because I  am a normal human being. What clothes I wear, or shiny things (badge) I carry does, not change that.

The police forces are owned by government. Not by the taxpayers. If you want to know who owns something one can look at who has the last word over what is done with it.
Government makes the laws so government is the owner.

>Ontop of that the government is quite nessecary for the capitalist economy as without it and the police there would be no one to enforce private property, which is what most of capitalism is based off.

With government you can never have private property, because you always have to pay the extortion money. ( or else your protectors come to your house (police)) You merely rent it, it's their property they are the owner. It doesn't matter to them how long you worked for it to pay it of or how long it took for you to build. (can you see how the police works for government?)
For documenting things like this, you don't need a government.
Also if you have property in a free society you are responsible for the protection. You can't make your neighbours pay (via taxes) for the defense of your property.

One more thing about owning. Now everything, and even everyone is owned by a group of people with guns, that own everything that lives withing some lines on a piece of paper some people, long ago, have drawn with magical inc. 
If you can not decide what you can,  put in your body, if you can not decide who you invite in your house (for instance a so ( by the government) called illegal, if you can not decide to sell lemonade without a permission... and they punish you, or kill, you if you do not eventually obey or pay them. Then you own nothing, and they own everything including you.
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@mountainwashere ·
Random question- have you ever read James C. Scott's *Seeing Like a State*? Though I'm not an anarchist myself, James C. Scott is, and this book has been instrumental in my thoughts regarding the interaction of nature and civilization of late. If you've not, I highly recommend it!
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@anarchyhasnogods ·
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well sadly chainbb was taken down already lmao
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@riskdebonair ·
โ€œAnarchists did not try to carry out genocide against the Armenians in Turkey; they did not deliberately starve millions of Ukrainians; they did not create a system of death camps to kill Jews, gypsies, and Slavs in Europe; they did not fire-bomb scores of large German and Japanese cities and drop nuclear bombs on two of them; they did not carry out a โ€˜Great Leap Forwardโ€™ that killed scores of millions of Chinese; they did not attempt to kill everybody with any appreciable education in Cambodia; they did not launch one aggressive war after another; they did not implement trade sanctions that killed perhaps 500,000 Iraqi children.

In debates between anarchists and statists, the burden of proof clearly should rest on those who place their trust in the state. Anarchyโ€™s mayhem is wholly conjectural; the stateโ€™s mayhem is undeniably, factually horrendous.โ€
โ€• Robert Higgs
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@lazarus-wist ·
Anarchists did none of those things because they have never been in a position of power, in turn because they have no viable revolutionary theory. Anarchist society as a whole is conjectural without the preexistence of a socialist state.
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@riskdebonair ·
I don't believe you need a state for anarchy or any centralized positions that give authority of power.
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@thename ·
Anarchists are never in a position of power because we reject power.

 What is power?

Threat, coercion, control, violence.

The Marxist doctrine that we need more state (socialism) in order to have no state (Communism) makes as much sense as saying we need to put gasoline on the fire in order to stop the building from burning down.

I think it's about time we faced the possibility that Marx invented a system that lured those who wanted to get rid of the state apparatus into a new form of radical Statism that promises a stateless society that never comes.

Communism was the bait to get all the freedom minded people on the socialist track of radical Statism, instead of that of the real revolution of ethics and freedom that is anarchism.

The state is the eternal enemy of freedom, ethics, abundance and security.
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@gustavomonraz · (edited)
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@sweetjoy ·
Great post and great discussion.
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@anarchyhasnogods ·
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is this just spam?
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@sweetjoy ·
What? Me?  I am not a robot.
Lol.  Whaddaya mean spam?
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@sweetjoy ·
The series I watched...they rescued people marked .
Is that not the same show?
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