What does a vote mean? and how might SMTs help us define them better? by andybets

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What does a vote mean? and how might SMTs help us define them better?
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> Conflation happens when the identities of two or more concepts sharing some characteristics of one another, seem to be a single identity, and the differences appear to become lost. In logic, it is the practice of treating two distinct concepts as if they were one, which produces errors or misunderstandings as a fusion of distinct subjects tends to obscure analysis of relationships which are emphasized by contrasts.
-[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflation)

## Vote Conflation in Steem

The biggest conflation that arises in Steem seems be the nature of the vote.

I think that votes were originally intended to be used to reward good quality content, and to subsequently act as sign-posts to direct the users of the platform towards this. Over time, votes have been used increasingly to reward work that was carried out for the benefit of the Steem blockchain and ecosystem.

These two uses of votes are arguably both quite legitimate, and seem very similar, but because the work is not always present in the content being voted for, the sign-posting element can become an unwanted side-effect of the votes, rather than an additional benefit. A voter may be happy bringing content to prominence so it can gather further financial reward from Steem holders, but they probably don't particularly want it to end up in the trending pages, because it's just not very interesting for most of the potential audience, and especially those without Steem.

The opposite situation also arises. A voter may wish to draw attention to something that they don't want to financially reward. Unless the author opted to 'Decline Payout', they can't do that directly. They would need to make their own post, and link to the content to bring it to prominence.

Some people copy YouTube videos to Steem as a quick/lazy way to monetise other people's work. When a user likes the content, how often do they actually even check that the video channel is associated with the Steem account? I would say that's rare, partly because of how time-consuming it is. So in up-voting, because the video content is good, the voter is rewarding this act of monetising somebody else's work, as well as sign-posting the good content. It could be argued that this is no bad thing if the original author doesn't have a Steem account, but it's certainly very different from rewarding the creator of good original content.

A flag is generally intended to be used to indicate that you disagree with the pending rewards for a post, but it is also often used as a way of retaliating against an account with which another user has a problem. This again conflates the idea of voting against an account with voting against an individual piece of content. This dynamic will usually also fail to serve the purpose of content discovery.

Self-voting is the case whereby voters justify granting themselves 'a return on their investment' either by directly assigning a share of the reward pool to themselves, or by some more elaborate approach that is less obvious to the community. A vote in this form carries yet another meaning under the same action.

So the seemingly simple vote in Steem currently has many connotations which also evolve over time.

## Solving Vote Conflation with SMTs

Once the Steem blockchain is ready for the efficient introduction of these new tokens, I think we will be better placed to resolve this sub-optimal situation. Communities will be able imbue their tokens with their own meanings, and if they wish, remove ambiguity about how they are intended to be used.

The distribution of the new tokens will generally not follow the current Steem distribution, and this means that there will be different whales, dolphins and minnows in each community. It seems possible that in some cases the distribution of tokens might be so equal that such stratification isn't even relevant.

Because in some communities it will be possible to vote on a single post with multiple SMTs, we will be able to declare token X as the reward token, and token Y as the promotion token for example. Then for example, a website could construct a 'trending' page based on the assignment of promotion tokens whilst reserving the reward tokens to pay developers for their work.

If my understanding is correct, this could solve a big problem for Steem by eventually replacing the conflated Steem vote.
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@jimmyblack · 
That's really nice post @andybets   .  i like your What does a vote mean? and how might SMTs help us define them better  post.  thanks for share the post.
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@aussieninja ·
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Well, that all sounds amazing... I love all the work that whales have put into the infrastructure and they certainly do deserve to be rewarded for their efforts (either by working, developing, or investing early) but it's often hard to legitimately agree with the autovotes some whales put on particular content.  

We all know the struggles and I'd love for SMTs to help solve some of those issues.  I don't truly understand the technical side of it, but I'm super excited about a more current distribution of power and rewards.
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@mafi001 · 
very different post.
go ahead boss.
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@phgnomo ·
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But wont each SMT app be a ecosystem separated from steem? Take appics for example.
They are creating a New token, and they dont mention the use of STEEM os SBD anywhere.
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@andybets · 
I believe that Steem will be required to transact on the Steem blockchain. So those creating communities using SMTs will need to hold Steem for this purpose, and this adds demand for Steem. There may be other connections to Steem depending on the specific SMT offerings, and I imagine the main SMT exchange(s) will also be centered around Steem.
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@gold84 ·
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Hi @andybets yes I imagine that if we create an ICO with the Steem Blockchain and start spreading our SMTs, in order to have bandwith for the crypto created on the Steem Blockchain, we'll need to hold steem. Is it that way?

Very interesting post!

Regards, @gold84
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@fangcan888 · 
Witnessing an Accident
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@fangcan888 · 
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@junkanoo · 
<h3>INFORMING THE MASSES - A short list of some of the abuses against @Noganoo by Satanic whales on Steemit.<h3>

<h3>For those of you who are unaware @Noganoo was sexually abused when he was 5 years old.  Bernie Sanders learned this from Fyrstikken whom Noganoo trusted and confided in and then was betrayed and slandered by Fyrstikken whom Noganoo brought to Steemit.  Noganoo only requested that Fyrstikken send back the 10 Bitcoins he stole from SatoshiHorizon through his β€œaltcoin investment fund.” Noganoo stood up against Bernie's flag abuse towards SeaBlue which caused the war that you are seeing today.  Bernie swore to destroy Noganoo because Noganoo defended the helpless minnows on Steemit.  Below are just a few of the terrible insults they have spoken against this Christian man.  Please visit @Noganoo's blog and support and encourage him through these demonic attacks as his old friends have forsaken him.  Not only do these people verbally attack Noganoo but they antagonize him until he responds in anger, then they sent the FBI to his house for "threatening."  Noganoo has requested to all of the whales on steemit directly for them to speak to these 2 fraudsters and tell them to stop.  Not a word was said in one year and now he is resorting to further action.  The abuse will stop.  If you have any information as to the identity or whereabouts of BernieSanders or Pfunk please contact abuse@steem.in.  There is a substantial reward and you can remain anonymous.  Noganoo is unable to file a restraining order against these 2 until he finds their identity.  BernieSanders is a pedophile and should not be rewarded with upvotes on Steemit.</h3>

<h3>First of all let's go back to before this all started.  Noganoo was investigating the fraud and theft of 10s of millions of dollars of rewards by Donkeypong, Gavvet, HanshotFirst, Kevinwong, The-Alien, JrCornel, Sweetsssj and Knozaki2015 with their organization called "SteemGuild" where they used the Steemit Co-founder Ned's account to vote for themselves instead of the "minnows" they claimed to be supporting.  Go look at all of their current account values and you can see that over 1 year ago Noganoo was right! They paid themselves multi-millions for only a couple months of curating on Steemit. Something the rest of us do for free.  You can see that these people and their friends are the only people who have ever attacked Noganoo.  They are trying to cover up their theft.  If you go back on the blockchain you can see Noganoo's accounts previously supported most of these authors with his thousand bot voters early on in the platforms launch.  https://steemd.com/@sweet-banana?page=17   Then Noganoo called out The-Alien for his common use of the word "Motherfucker" in his fiction stories that were upvoted by their "Steemguild" to number one on trending every day to "raise money for the guild."  Fact is they stole millions of dollars.  This rebuke prevented Noganoo from ever getting an upvote from that guild which controlled over 30% of the voting power on Steemit at the time.</h3>

![2017-03-10 08_06_14-(β€’) Steemit Chat (1).png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmQtwzEiYJXjGkzJvwBSCwPEzt2gXw45CRDZmtfRQk7Bbo/2017-03-10%2008_06_14-(%E2%80%A2)%20Steemit%20Chat%20(1).png)

<h3>"Sorry, I should have said "Go fuck your cousin." (again)</h3>
![2018-02-01 13_40_22-.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmW8Ny1uzFBKuyv9JWmgjZMy6A93WssJwchCUZjDw2Dqik/2018-02-01%2013_40_22-.png)

<h3>Here is Pfunk attacking Noganoo's girlfriend.</h3>
![pfunk.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmVDG769WQjKenrEwVJpYeKvsw5QewWWbd2x1F9LJw2Khx/pfunk.png)

<h3>Here Bernie tries to twist the truth and calls him an "incestuous criminal."  Bernie is trying to convince the unknowing public that Noganoo is a sex criminal.</h3>
![2018-02-01 13_30_07-.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmNV8mHo9EfCtTXv69ZvpT9bHhPuuZ2DWjVaxUZyM8C1tm/2018-02-01%2013_30_07-.png)

<h3>I'll save you a spot beside me in hell to torment you with incestuous dick art for all eternity.</h3>
![2017-09-07 06_51_29-.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmQGzQqjbVJyYUgM6kUHmvmPR7yq39zDySGtdVWZL5mqSG/2017-09-07%2006_51_29-.png)

<h3>I'm pretty sure (noganoo) was molested by somone in the church.</h3>
![2017-03-17 18_19_18-(β€’) Steemit Chat.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmck7wTfQnapFFSHXvAcpboaRM35pCKfrmiWCJQyK9Z98G/2017-03-17%2018_19_18-(%E2%80%A2)%20Steemit%20Chat.png)

<h3>Incestuous Scumbag, I bet the abuse never even happened and you are trying to gain sympathy</h3>
![2017-05-17 06_46_18-Noganoo - Hero_ Victim_ Menace_ And what about you_ β€” Steemit.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmX4koQufBEDU8KVd7jxQv61PCQc9NSrwEhSgEjWDXkkfD/2017-05-17%2006_46_18-Noganoo%20-%20Hero_%20Victim_%20Menace_%20And%20what%20about%20you_%20%E2%80%94%20Steemit.png)


![2017-06-21 16_57_34-2017-06-21 16_47_08-Replies to nOgAnOo (@noganoo) β€” Steemit - Windows Photo View.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmY2Ybr6qsu7Jj7QfrEmtxkpWoTSUTJNUVWgkBnrViPT5d/2017-06-21%2016_57_34-2017-06-21%2016_47_08-Replies%20to%20nOgAnOo%20(%40noganoo)%20%E2%80%94%20Steemit%20-%20Windows%20Photo%20View.png)

<h3>Here is Pfunk 2 years ago violently attacking an article Noganoo wrote about Christianity,  Pfunk at the time had no idea Noganoo wrote this!  Pfunk is a hater of true Christians but aligns himself with the fake Christians so he can get more witness votes and doesn't lose support.  Pfunk proceeded to individually message everyone that upvoted Noganoo and slander him and threaten them with loss of support if they continue to upvote his articles.  Pfunk, Berniesanders and Ausbitbank costed Noganoo over 50,000 dollars in losses last year.  Ausbitbank attacked Noganoo to impress his witness friends when Noganoo is the one who brought him to Steemit.  He brought Noganoo’s reputation from 68 down to zero with stolen Steempower provided by JamesC</h3>
![2018-02-14 03_25_39-.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmcnMRJYRg1kwRU536ZfJ8fmjg17nUMcZr7XqWgUMAhk3Q/2018-02-14%2003_25_39-.png)

<h3>The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. - John 1:5</h3>
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@yashu · 
Ur post are really great
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@aliyaa · 
Very different post I believe that Steem will be required to transact on the Steem blockchain
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@rohaaan · 
I'm super excited about a more current distribution of power and rewards.
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@saltycat ·
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@funbobby51 · 
sounds like a hot mess
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@hkniazi · 
Amazing Idea of the post
Very good excilent information for us
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@rizwan-anjum · 
Genuinely Good work..! ! Thank You for sharing this on steemit!
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@sehrishfatima · 
Great post very informative thanks for sharing @andybets Followed you
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@lovely-khan · 
i love This post
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@rasel.khan69690 · 
Great post.this post amazing l like vote post most 
Because before we don’t understand about vote 
Now we understand that what is meaning about vote. Vote is very important for us . thanks for giving this information 
It is really helpful post 
Good work 
Thanks sir for sharing the important post.....
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@pagli · 
Well, that all sounds amazing... I love all the work that whales have put into the infrastructure and they certainly do deserve to be rewarded for their efforts (either by working, developing, or investing early) but it's often hard to legitimately agree with the autovotes some whales put on particular content.
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@artgirl · 
I don't understand what those tokens are for yet. I've seen the teardrop token and this one and I still don't get it. :( Need to read more on it...
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@xsand · (edited)
I'm a steemit beginner, I'm still studying in this steemit world, and I still do not really understand what's in there.Please knowledge and advice @andybets @good-karma @jesta. And also my other senior in steemit.
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@rock220 · 
I am a steemit newbie and so am learning the ropes of this new ecosystem.  I found your article very informative. We need more of this kind of information to educate all the new people coming on to the platform
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@yashu · 
Steem is the blockchain, Steem is the coin, SteemIt is the Front-end UI, so in a word, Steem Rocks.
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@rasel.khan69690 · 
Excellent post..this post is inspiration ... it not just a Post ... it’s mean lot of things about vote
Thanks for giving us some experience about vote 
Good 
And be continued 
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@baktiarsejahtera · 
I love to see and read your post, greetings share
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@sajuchy · 
Up vote and follow me bro plzz, I also voted and followed you
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@kickup008 · 
wonderful post but different. I like your post. Thank's for the share.
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@leprechaun ·
$0.04
Very true.  When someone says something distasteful, I want to vote it up in order to highlight what someone said **but** I don't because people will conflate my vote with approval of the statement itself.

There ought to be an approval token, a promotion token, and a reward token, maybe flags for approval tokens for disapproval.  There should also be tokens for certain boolean qualities: a spam token, original-work token, N.S.F.W. token, and a tags token.
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@andybets · 
Yes, I've thought about tokens for everything. It sounds good in principle, but I'm not totally sure that the blockchain will scale well to this number of votes, and also wonder whether enough people would use them.

Practically, I think I also heard that in the proposed SMT scheme, only up to 3 tokens can be selected for a post, and that these are to be chosen by the author of the post.
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