RE: If your post isn't getting at least 20 steem, then it gets a penalty by arthur.grafo4

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· @arthur.grafo4 ·
$0.02
A question:

When you say, to get to 20Steem, are we talking about 10+10 (Steem+SP) or 20 in Steem alone?

The odd thing is, all those who are downvoting, claim they are doing it to protect Steemit and the small voters. I cannot, for the life of me, see how they are making sense.

Leave aside their support amongst themselves of huge rewards, often more than daily, that is par for the course... what I am confused by is the claim they are supporting the small/new posters. How?

They are told that one way for them to get ahead is to upvote others - so that they earn something from the 50% curator fine, plus us who get curated by them will feel so grateful we will immediately rush to curate their posts in turn!!!

But ... aha, the 50%... just like music in their ears isn't it? The question is, when all these do-good downvoters hit the posters, what is the arithmetic like?

Let us say I use 10Steem to buy some upvotes. What do I get in return as ROI? If I am lucky, maybe ONE steem after a week? Usually less.

For that, I must be penalised! So they hit me me with whatever strength they have (as was done just recently - since HF I have lost nearly 100 Steem, more than 12% of my total worth in Steem - not in USDollars!). 

So my 0.70 to 1 Steem profit is lost. Maybe I do not even get my own money back (yes, it is MY money, since it came out of my wallet). But what of the curators? They have ONE steem taken from their share also?

But those running the bif bots, they are mostly Witnesses, so it is all calculated to never lose them any money - even though I hear that they are funding others with delegations to downvote us. At least the one of them openly says he flags - you got to respect him for that eh?

So, the downvoters are also robbing/hurting the curators? In my case, the majority of people upvoting me are small, a few are lucky enough to have a voting power of 1c.  No whales are upvotng me, so they are not being punished.

I've already taken steps to upload my books elsewhere. They get a library number and are stored forever (well, maybe a few days longer than on this wonderful blockchain?). 

I have not withdrawn ONE steem from my wallet for myself. I've sent a few to those I think deserve some help. I am a pensioner with a tiny State grant and I would love to have some extra earnings, but that is not likely to happen on Steemit - I mean, I've been here for over 2 years and my SP is UNDER 1,000 and my US$ worth is under $200. 

That is how I am robbing the pool? How terrible! Maybe they should send the police to arrest me for being greedy?
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@felipejoys ·
10 STEEM + 10 SP

> But those running the bid bots, they are mostly Witnesses, so it is all calculated to never lose them any money - even though I hear that they are funding others with delegations to downvote us.

This is true. I suppose it answers all of your other questions.
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@katharsisdrill ·
>  I cannot, for the life of me, see how they are making sense.

When you buy a bidbot you get one steem they get nine. Your one steem can be downvoted - the owners of the bots take your steem and nobody can take them away from them.  Then they sell the steem and make a living being completely indifferent to the fact that the steem loose value every time they power down and sell. You have been cheated and you still defend the people who has abused you: ***The vote sellers.***

Why don't you complain to tipu about not getting a return on their service?
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@arthur.grafo4 ·
I do not know in which language you read my comment, since nothing you say makes sense!

I am defending the bid bots?
Did I not say:
>But those running the bif bots, they are mostly Witnesses, so it is all calculated to never lose them any money - even though I hear that they are funding others with delegations to downvote us. 
??
That is defending them!!?!!

As for them taking the nine and my getting one...what are you talkijng about? If I send them 10Steem, I may get back 11Steem - so I am getting ONE as a ROI, they do NOT keep my 10Steem. It is the flaggers who try to take it all away, even money that belongs to me. It is the flaggers who cost me about 100Steem upto now, not the bots.

I never saw you upvoting me, so I do not think I accept you as a paragon of virtue when you moralise without making sense. Speak facts, not just twisting my words to create fake facts so as to make an emotional argument.
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@katharsisdrill ·
Not making sense seem a bit of a cliché you are using all the time. That you in the next sentence betray that you actually have made *some* sense of what I write makes it even more shallow.

I do not care if you defend the bidbots. I care about supporting them by using them, and that is what is being discussed here. Anybody can grumble about gangsters, but if they the next second pay them to help them out I am not impressed at all.

I am not even interested in virtue or morality at all. I am interested in rooting out corruption and gaming the platform because I have been here three years and like you I have invested a lot of work and all my Steem in this platform, and I am going to defend my investment.

The last paragraph where you write that me not having supported you makes it hard for you to see me as a paragon of virtue is frankly not making any sense except in the most illogical, emotional and self-indulging way.
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