The Judging Panel and how they keep the game fun for everyone by beanz

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The Judging Panel and how they keep the game fun for everyone
Imagine for a moment you are an entertainment judge.  Maybe you're on the panel of **"The X Factor"** judges.  Or maybe it's just a local talent contest or an international sports event where the winner is chosen by subjective judgement of value *(such as dancing)*.  Whatever it is you are judging, your vote is important in making this a legitimate competition that people enjoy.  It's an annual or quarterly event that brings people together.  You are honoured to hold the position on the judging panel that you were trusted with to choose the winner in a fair manner that encourages competition so that each time the event comes back around people are happy to return and watch or compete.
http://www.technologyintegrator.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2016/04/o-PANEL-OF-JUDGES-facebook.jpg?x20667
###### [image source](http://www.technologyintegrator.net/article/cedia-announces-2016-awards-judging-panel/)
Now lets say you witness something.  One ... or two ...  or maybe even all of the judges are offered a bribe.  The bribe is coming from a very talented individual who badly wants to win the competition.
### You have a choice.
You can accept the bribe but you know that for anybody who realises or even suspects what happened the competition will no longer be enjoyable.  You know that by accepting the bribe you would be initiating the beginning of the end, as gradually people will lose interest in the events.
### We don't want that...
Lets say you choose to reject the bribe, but one of your fellow judges accepts.  In this position you also have a choice.  You can allow the game to be skewed and manipulated damaging its reputation, or you can actively counter the vote of your fellow judge.
<div class="pull-right">https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Bribe.png</div>

Of course this doesn't solve the problem completely.  If you walk away, that bribe still incentivises future bribes and your other fellow judges are likely to join in if they don't see a way of stopping it.  There's only one thing for it.
# RULES
Every competition like this has rules.  The judges have to abide by the responsibility they were honoured with by choosing the talent that deserves to win - not the talent that offered them an extra buck!

There has to be repurcussions for anybody who attempts to bribe a judge.  
### Anarchy without rules is chaos!
@fyrstikken suggested that we [put a stop to voting games on steemit](https://steemit.com/witness-category/@fyrstikken/the-big-voting-game-change-proposal) and this is not just coming from him but from many members of the community who are afraid to speak up because of the support it gets from individuals who tend to use their flags without thinking about the importance of user retention.

When you use your vote for a game in which you can win back the rewards from the post other people are incentivised to pile on that post even if they have no interest in it.  I believe this undermines the system in place because the system was designed intentionally to disincentivise pile-ons.
### [Please click here to read how the curation system works according to Dan the co-founder of steemit.](https://steemit.com/steem/@dantheman/curation-rewards-and-voting-incentive)
<div class="pull-right">https://img1.steemit.com/0x0/http://www.bitcoinisle.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/02dealprof-master675.jpeg</div>
Since this is a social media platform where we are the stake-holders we are the judges who choose what gets to the front page of steemit.  In order to incentivise people to find quality content that other people will like we have curation rewards and those rewards are mostly only for those who are the first to bring that post to the communities attention.  Unfortunately these voting games that reward the players with the post rewards don't play by the same rules.  You can pile on whenever you like and you will be rewarded with a bribe.  I believe these games can work off the site, while still using posts to engage the gamers and leave out the aspect of using the post rewards to incentivise gamers to vote for the post.  I'm sure anybody who enjoys the game will still upvote the post.

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@cryplectibles ·
Can this post be summed up in an even shorter way.  I think I am missing something or reading too quick, but are you saying that the winners of the contests are not making as much as the people running the contests?  Or are the people running the contests possibly not trustworthy?   Or are both these questions possibly true?
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@beanz ·
What I'm saying is vote-buying is bad for the community.  It discourages competition because the new way to make money is to filter the reward pool through one account and get money back for upvoting the post.

Here are a few other posts to put this into context
https://steemit.com/steemsports/@beanz/game-of-flags-a-fun-redistribution-game-win-steem-by-flagging
https://steemit.com/steemit/@sirlunchthehost/betting-is-it-hurting-or-helping-the-steemit-community-special-edition-preview-no-0
https://steemit.com/witness-category/@fyrstikken/the-big-voting-game-change-proposal
https://steemit.com/smartvotes/@beanz/the-problem-with-flags-educational-post
https://steemit.com/philosophy/@krnel/keep-your-head-down-don-t-rock-the-boat
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@technocomanche ·
Fuck U Uh Uh Uh UH! ;) <3
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@dwinblood ·
Heheh... I watch all of these shows.  "X Factor" is my least favorite.   They often let people through (Honey G) that kind of actually suck at what they are doing for the novelty, while sending people with far more musical talent home.

That wasn't your point, but this season of X Factor sucked... worst show of this type I think I've seen.   It wasn't the contestants that made me think it sucked, it was the judges.
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@beanz ·
LOL I agree I detest X factor.  Every time it comes on I feel like it's trying to deflect from important issues going on in other news.  I don't even know who Honey G is although I think my colleagues have talked about her(?).  The judges do suck.  They care more about views than entertainment value, similar to clickbait on social media like facebook.
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@dwinblood ·
X Factor judges and what they seem to be after makes me think of the ***Porcupine Tree*** song *Sound of Muzak*.

**Check out these lyrics and I think you'll get it:**
Hear the sound of music
Drifting in the aisles
Elevator Prozac
Stretching on for miles

The music of the future
Will not entertain
It's only meant to repress
And neutralize your brain

Soul gets squeezed out
Edges get blunt
Demographic
Gives what you want

Now the sound of music
Comes in silver pills
Engineered to suit you
Building cheaper thrills

The music of rebellion
Makes you want to rage
But it's made by millionaires
Who are nearly twice your age

One of the wonders of the world is going down
It's going down I know
It's one of the blunders of the world that no-one cares
No-one cares enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SbyZxJrP7U
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@inphiknit ·
Maybe to get to a "better place," it would be good if betting games were only valid for people with low reputation to vote or win on. Thus the payout would be smaller too, more like a faucet to help get one's first bit of SP.
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@beanz ·
Allowing only users with below a limited number of SP wouldn't be a bad idea in my eye.  Maybe that's a good compromise.  The only issue is with sock puppet accounts.  There is a badger account that I think is a whale account made up of at least a thousand minnows (not sure).  That would mean it could still be gamed.
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@inphiknit ·
Hmm, that's true.
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@smooth · (edited)
That's exactly what these posts do in practice. For larger SP holders, the vote itself is worth more than what you stand to win (meaning, what you could make using the same vote somewhere else instead). The whales voting on these posts are certainly not doing it for the 0.160 SBD reward (amount I got from one recent Steemsports game). 

Before someone starts making claims about curation rewards, there almost no curation rewards on Steemsports posts either. Their most recent free-bet post has `author_curate_reward	86.21%` which means 86% of what would have otherwise been curation rewards on that post were redirected to the poster instead (due to early voting).

The so-called vote buying has little to no effect on the larger SP votes that actually determine where most of the rewards go. It's all really just a sports blog with a fun game that works a lot like a faucet.
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@bambam808 ·
I thought this was a great read.  Intriguing perspective on a ongoing issue!
*UPVOTED AND RESTEEMED*
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@nikflossus ·
Well said Beanz. You've targeted an important aspect of how Steemit is failing.

If the rules were stringent things wouldn't have gotten so bad. However betting and 'investment' accounts have already been found using sock puppets to legitimise and defend their behaviour. 

I've also experienced not being paid when betting. It was impossible to make the person running the game sort out payments properly. Many people are still waiting. The poster clearly doesn't care and can call numerous posters to 'flame' any criticism.

Personally I've never had a problem with Steemsports until I saw a comment today threatening to use multiple accounts to flag a critic.

I'm not sure how this will play out. Currently I'm not against betting in principal but I'd much prefer it to be cordoned off.
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@mattclarke ·
It becomes a question of where to draw the line. 
I ran a very successful #chessmatch, where I returned about $300 to the winning players after a single game which ran for a month. 
I kept the same amount in SP.
Almost all of my daily move posts were upvoted by a whale, who was also an enthusiastic player, who took home about $80, after contributing greatly to the black team's victory.  
**Should that game have been allowed?**
I did offer to split the upvote payouts with the winners, but I also required them to beat me at chess (which they did quite soundly).
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@beanz ·
I would suggest seeking out a sponsor and setting fixed rewards like the way #openmic does.  That way the payout of the post does not incentivise further contribution and upvoting to increase the pool.
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