In which I ponder the effect of the vesting-period change on Steem's price by biophil

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· @biophil ·
$11.21
In which I ponder the effect of the vesting-period change on Steem's price
In the past few days, @dantheman and @ned have [proposed and begun implementing a major change to the way Steem works.](https://steemit.com/steem/@dantheman/steem-economic-changes-update) It involves several things, but two of them are

- it decreases the Steem inflation rate to something like 9.5%
- it decreases the Steem Power liquidity lock from 2 years to 3 months.

Yes, you read that last one correctly: that is a factor of 8. These changes are tentatively slated to go into effect November 16th. I want to talk through some thoughts about what effect these changes will have on the price of Steem.

Right now, the Steem inflation rate is high - over 100% per year. One effect of such high inflation is that the price of Steem (the token) falls rather fast, and in expectation, will always be falling. You just can't run a printing press at that breakneck speed and *not* expect to see a plummeting price. In principle, this should be fine - the holders of Steem Power are ostensibly protected from most of that inflation because they're the beneficiaries of much of it; the holders of Steem Dollars are nominally *completely* protected from that inflation because SBD is pegged to the USD.

**Here's the problem: continuously-falling prices send very nasty signals.** When you bring up [coinmarketcap](http://coinmarketcap.com) and see Steem down another 5% in the past day, and you see this again and again and again, you don't stop to consider the inflation rate - you think "there goes another pump-and-dump scheme into the toilet."

**These very nasty signals result in more selling.** There's a vicious cycle in here, and ultimately the falling prices outpace the inflation itself, as depicted [here](https://steemit.com/technical-analysis/@timcliff/historical-mvest-to-usd-price-chart-steem-power-has-not-lost-value-over-the-long-term).

**It's natural to try to stem the tide by decreasing the inflation rate.** That's part of the stated purpose of the upcoming change. However, I suspect that in the short-term, the change in the vesting period (from 2 years to 3 months) will counteract the change in inflation. Here's why:

**Right now, if every Steem account powered-down all at once, 1.8 Million Steem would suddenly appear on the market; that's about $380,000 worth of Steem.** No big deal. That's less than 1% of Steem's market cap. (note: I got this number with a price of about $0.21 per Steem)

**After the hardfork, if every Steem account powered-down all at once, 8 times the amount of Steem would appear all at once.** That is, we'd see about 14.2 Million Steem all at once, or just over $3,000,000 dollars. Million with an M. That's just over 7% of Steem's market cap; which I view as a large fraction.

**So, being careful not to make any concrete predictions, let's just take a look at the facts:**

* After the hardfork, a *huge* amount of Steem will be *made available as liquid*.
* Some of that Steem will be sold on the open market.
* **Do you think that this will cause a decrease in the price of Steem?**

I'm trying not to be FUDdy here; I'm just pointing out that *it's possible* that our recent news-related price change is in entirely the wrong direction. We don't know where things will equilibrate after the hardfork, but we need to think very hard about what effect it will have for *massive* amounts of Steem to suddenly be unlocked.

Also, if my facts are wrong (i.e., about the vesting period change or something), someone please tell me.
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@mattclarke ·
A big factor in my decision to convert btc to sp was the 2 year power down. 
I wasnt worried when the price dropped because I knew all the other sp holders were limited in their ability to panic and run. 
I'm sure Dan and Ned know what they're doing, but this change is shaking my confidence.
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@piranhax · (edited)
Any unknowns tend to do this. We know the status quo was definitely  killing the price.
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@mattclarke ·
A commitment from on high that they wouldn't change anything for the next 12 months might have done even more for faith in the platform, flowing through to the price. 
I hope that when it's out of beta, they undertake to set a period without tinkering.
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@wingz ·
$2.43
In my head the anticipation of a cut in long term supply has pushed up the price recently. However when the larger power downs come I to play the price will probably come under pressure as some major redistributions take place.

It's a function of liquidity at the moment, there's just less liquidity right now so price has the ability to be pushed excessively.
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@bhavnapatel68 ·
As far as what I understand is those who are powering down is to gain profit while selling when the price goes up. If I look for is why would I power down when the market is low. What do I make at this time?
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@piranhax ·
This..
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@inertia ·
$4.73
> After the hardfork, a huge amount of Steem will be made available as liquid.
> Some of that Steem will be sold on the open market.
> **Do you think that this will cause a decrease in the price of Steem?**

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Absolutely.  After November 16th, at the three-month point, the people who didn't want to wait 104 weeks will all dump simultaneously.  The price *might* indeed suffer a massive crash at that point.  But it'll be a healthy, massive, cleansing dump that allows the weak positions out, replaced by strong positions.

I'm really looking forward to it.  Those are always satisfying.
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@biophil ·
I don't know exactly how the vesting period change will be implemented, but the dump should happen much sooner than 3 months. If the change is immediate, the first power-down payments will start to land immediately after the hardfork.
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@inertia ·
That's a good point, and I don't think they'll implement it that way.  But I could be wrong.
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@justtryme90 ·
Exactly and the people selling then will be selling for fractions of pennies on the dollar. The weak will be punished and the platform can finally organically grow.
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@piranhax · (edited)
The price might indeed suffer a massive crash ? What do you think .09 cents was ? If it wasn't for this proposal I would argue Steem would be around .05 on its way to ? How can this not be an improvement over the staus quo.
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@timcliff ·
It is definitely an item of concern. I think everyone is worried / wondering what the result will be. The consensus seems to be that in the long run it will be good, but nobody really knows what to expect for the short-term.

At least me personally (although I am not a huge SP holder) I plan to continue holding. I might try to increase my stake too if the price gets low enough too. I suspect there are others who will do the same.

The way I see it, it could go either way :)
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@ats-david · (edited)
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>After the hardfork, if every Steem account powered-down all at once, 8 times the amount of Steem would appear all at once. That is, we'd see about 14.2 Million Steem all at once, or just over $3,000,000 dollars.

This is assuming that all of these accounts *will* power down. I think that would be a very bad assumption to make, considering the number of people currently powering up. Also - it is assuming that there won't be new users joining and powering up, or new investors in the platform that have been reluctant to buy in because of the current inflation and vesting period. Basically, we shouldn't make assumptions about possible price movements based on a single factor.

I think there will be some users who want to power down and leave, but there will also be many users who will power up because they know they won't be locked in for two years. And if inflation is also cut, there should be less volatility in prices. We're starting to see patterns take shape on the price charts - we're seeing some short-term support/resistance points that should be confirmed over the next few weeks and months. With the new changes, we should get more data, and more *reliable* data relatively quickly. 

We might see prices drop at first, or we might see them rise. It all depends on how the changes are perceived/received from potential users and investors. It seems to be a move in the right direction based on the price movements the last couple of days. A lot of the current user base sees these changes as positive for Steem and Steemit. I think that will be the general consensus with non-users as well, but we'll just have to see how it plays out.

My opinion is that, overall, the changes will be a great improvement and should help stabilize prices and the Steem "economy." But we still need a lot more development and ways to use the currency. That's what will ultimately support the currency prices - wider adoption and use of both Steem and Steemit.
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@smooth ·
> But we still need a lot more development and ways to use the currency. That's what will ultimately support the currency prices - wider adoption and use of both Steem and Steemit.

This
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@biophil ·
> This is assuming that all of these accounts will power down. I think that would be a very bad assumption to make, considering the number of people currently powering up.

Sure. The numbers I used were cartoon numbers; I used them to describe the scale of the *change*, not to say that those will be the actual amounts of Steem that get sold. One thing is certain: after November 16th, people who want to sell will be empowered to do so at an instantaneously greater rate, but there will be no such instantaneous change on the demand side. The demand effects caused by these network parameter changes will be averaged out over a longer period of time than the supply effects.
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@kenny-crane ·
$2.42
Both dan and ned have pledged not to power down during an initial period after the change.  They are the largest SP holders, and I wonder if you took this into account with your calculations.

Just the announcement of the change has caused investors to bid up the price over 100%.  That makes me think that there is more confidence out there in the long term value of steem.  Therefore, I think the bottom, as new liquid steem comes online, will be higher than it otherwise would have been, and I don't see a sell off that takes the price lower than the recent low of around 9 cents. I think we were very near an all time low at 9 cents, even with no changes made.  The charts seemed to show a bottom forming.

 We have seen buyers come in, as the price sank lower over the last 3 months, and it was an orderly sell off.  I think any future sell off will be more slow and will turn around at a higher price.  That is my opinion on the matter! :)
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@biophil ·
I saw that about dan and ned's pledge; I think that was a smart move on their part and I appreciate it.

It will be very interesting to see how the market prices this new information.
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@piranhax ·
We should start a hardfork no power down pledge. For 3 months after  the fork join us in a pledge not to power down. Show your support for the future of Steemit. ??
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@smooth · (edited)
$2.56
Your analysis ignores any potential positive effects from the change such as:

1. Removed _prospective_ selling pressure as a cloud over the market, since those accounts no longer would be powering down and selling week after week for (>3) months and years. 
2. Buyers being _more_ willing to buy and power up, because exiting is easier. 
3. Buyers being _more_ willing to buy and not power up, because hyperinflation doesn't make this a completely non-viable approach.
4. Greater understanding of the platform, eliminating bogus criticisms and objections to it as a Ponzi scheme "because 100% interest!"
5. Greater understanding of the platform, eliminating bogus criticisms and objections to it as investors unable to retain value "because 100% inflation!"
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@biophil ·
$0.04
You're being generous calling my post "analysis." All your points are fine points - but I'd be slightly surprised if they can counteract the massive effective supply increase that's likely to come in the week following November 16th.

I'm fairly neutral on the upcoming changes, but I suspect the prices are going to take a beating in the short-term. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.
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@piranhax · (edited)
Steem price take a beating?  I find trying to apply  "the blatantly  obvious scenario" when trading cypto more often than not goes to the opposite of obvious. The universe  just doesn't allow me to profit from the obvious for some reason.  😳!??!! Lol
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@btc-dialog ·
Like you I might not be in favor of just reducing the vesting time from 2 years to 3 months.

However i don't think its a big deal.  The market is going to value the coin either way. The inflation rather is the bigger deal here that will have a drastic effect.

Overall what matters is the value the platform delivers and the utility the currency will have so that there is actual demand for it.
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@biophil ·
I'm trying to stay neutral-ish on the vesting time change. It's not going to affect my personal wealth negatively; my SP isn't worth much at the moment anyway.

Your last point is correct: tinkering with system parameters is *not* going to make an important difference in the long run; though I suspect reducing the inflation rate will end up being a great choice.
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@smooth ·
> though I suspect reducing the inflation rate will end up being a great choice.

I'm curious why.
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@anotherjoe ·
I REALLY have mixed feelings about this one.
I JUST powered up a decent amount. It's not huge, but a decent amount for me, invested from other resources. It was done leveling in as Steem came down. The pop helped some, but some is still underwater. I assumed a reverse trend and high inflation adjustment for SP.
OTOH, I just powered up a lot, and the price of Steem may assume a trend reversal that can make it a lot more valuable. The loss of the higher inflation adjustment is a concern, and the new adjustment is so small as to be irrelevant. But if Steem goes up because of these decisions, who am I to complain?
We'll never know if folks in my shoes would have been better off leaving things as they currently are. But I do think it's the better course for Steemit. And I love the idea of making Steem an actual viable currency. IMO, that, along with the potential integrations with Steemit, will ultimately be fare more valuable.
So, not worried about folks powering down and dumping. I think that they should if they don't have the stomach for it. Then stronger hands will take hold and the price will equilibrate and become stable.
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@svamiva ·
If I put on mine business owners hat, the only reason for me not to want 2 years long investments is - *I don't have any long projects to last for 2 years*
Otherwise I would just say : 
For 2 years investment your interest rate is high
For 3 months investment your interest rate is considerably lower.
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