Without government, wouldn't warlords take over? by churdtzu

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Without government, wouldn't warlords take over?
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If you believe government is needed, and someone suggests that it isn't, you might be rather distressed. You might start to picture bands of rogues roving the land without cease, raping and stealing. In the minds of many statists, this fear is so real that it seems certain. But of course, little is certain in life, and we can no more say for sure that warlords will take over than we can say that they won't. However, we can at least begin to estimate the likelihood.

If you're like most people, it's almost certain that you are threatened by group of people which claims to help you, a group which takes your money without asking first. Just as we can't be sure that warlords won't take over in a stateless society, it's not certain that this violent group won't grow larger, to expand to a level of control where many are fearful and even people with friends in high places can be destroyed without anyone being punished. In fact, such a case is much more likely to be found in a society with a state, than a society without a state, as the power structures are already there. In a stateless society, if these structures form, they're likely to be smaller. It's easier to go from 8 to 10 than it is to go from 0 to 10.

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To get to a society that has no rulers, first there has to be a cultural change. People have to learn to do things without the help of their rulers, and instead depend on each other. The less they can solve problems on their own and working in teams, the more chance they have to be seduced by a person offering easy answers, or threatened by someone who comes along with a few guns and a few demands. If certain states vanished tomorrow, there would be a 99% chance that warlords would take over. However, the more the people learn to support each other, and the more people love liberty, the less chance a tyrant has of taking hold. The tragedy is, the more people cling to these concerns about warlords, the less people who learn to love liberty.

In the end, the reason people cling onto these ideas is because of a deep-seated fear. People want to feel like everything is under control, even if it's by a someone who, in their hearts, they know is a devil. Their fear leads them to fearmonger, spilling endless "what if" cases, none of which can be allayed by logic alone. As I said, nothing in life is certain. Yet, by embracing our uncertainty, and our fears, we can learn to overcome them. It's scary to stand at the edge of darkness, not knowing what lies within. It takes heart to put your foot over that threshold, yet, that is the only way that humans grow - by putting ourselves in realms where nothing is sure, but everything is possible. Screw your courage to the sticking place, and feel just for a moment, what it would mean to be free.

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@herverisson ·
<<However, the more the people learn to support each other, and the more people love liberty, the less chance a tyrant has of taking hold.>> Isn't the only way to stand to a tyrant and his thugs to create a form of organization which is that of a proto-government?
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@churdtzu ·
That depends what you mean when you say "proto-government". The problem isn't when people come together in groups, or that they protect each other, or that they help each other. The problem is if they force people to give them money or force their ideas on people. If a proto-government just means a group which protects each other, then that's fine.
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@herverisson ·
Is there any group which does not "instil its ideas" on its people even just to bond and organize? Not even necessarily by "force", but simply by peer pressure, habits, or pure kinetic energy, until it becomes a norm, a law, a dogma which it is taboo and forbidden to break.
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@evehuman · (edited)
To be sure I no longer have very much trust in western governments. 9/11 has taught me that they can't be trusted.
However I don't believe that anarchy is the solution to our problems.
In the last few years alone there are quite a few examples for warlords or rather violent gangs having taken over the minute the state had broken down.
This happened in Iraq right after George W Bush declared "Mission Accomplished". There was a giant wave of lootings, rape, kidnapping and extortion until finally sectarian militias took over and a weak puppet government was sponsored by the Americans.
In Libya the whole country has broken up and every part is under the thumb of  a different violent war lord and their militia gang.
I believe the best option would be a decentralized system of small entities of  direct democracies, small enough everyone's voice can be heard and his or opinion taken in account should he or she choose to speak out. In these small entities the people would give themselves laws and rules under which they want to live.
Because I for my account do not want to live in a place where there are no rules. For instance I would feel extremely uncomfortable and even threatened if a whole bunch of men around me would decide to run around naked all day. Now if those naked men were confined during their nudity exploits only to a certain part of the beach, I could live with it, since I could avoid that beach. But this would mean the community would set such a rule, supported by the majority of its members and that would be a kind of government function.
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@jacobtothe ·
When people are armed and educated in liberty, warlords stand no chance. When people have religious faith in the State, warlords have no solid opposition to fear.
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@baah ·
Iraq is probably the worst example ever: INVASION INVASION INVASION. It was all because of invasion, not because of Anarchy.
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@churdtzu · (edited)
>I believe the best option would be a decentralized system of small entities of direct democracies, small enough everyone's voice can be heard and his or opinion taken in account should he or she choose to speak out. In these small entities the people would give themselves laws and rules under which they want to live.

Yes, sounds great.

>Because I for my account do not want to live in a place where there are no rules. 

Here's the thing, when most advocates say "anarchy", they don't mean no rules, they just mean that nobody has a violent monopoly on authority. Likewise, when some people say "government" they mean this violent monopoly, but others mean the standards or systems that are in place to maintain order and justice. Anarchists generally don't want the first kind of government, but they do want the second kind.
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@builderofcastles ·
Without govern-cement, wouldn't warlords take over?

The answer has always been, yes.
There have always been people who are unscrupulous, and some of these people are bigger, stronger, better armed or more cunning.  And these people see that taking something is easier than creating it themselves.

However, this was dependent upon a lot of facts that no longer exist.

It used to be cars were a luxury for only the rich.  And then Ford came along and built them for the farmers, and now, today, we could build a car for everyone in america and renew them once ever five years.  So, if we wanted to, we could make cars so ubiquitous that there would be no point in stealing one.

The same with food.  We have so much that all the potential thieves could line up for handouts, and we could bury them.  (Yes, america throws away half of the food we grow.)

An armored and weaponed knight was the equivalent fighting power as a town of serfs.  One knight could/did literally kill the entire village.  But this was because of so much disparity in fire power.  A strong, well fed person who trained with weapons daily, vs a not-so-well-fed people without any training or desire to kill others.  Now, everyone in america has a gun; the great equalizer.

The way a mob runs a city is they all gang up on a lone shop keeper and force him to buckle.  Then they use that to leverage over another and another.  If it was all the shop keepers vs all the mob, the shop keepers will win based on shear numbers.  With real community watch apps coming into being, a lone shop keeper can quickly get all of his friends to come to his aid.

Now, it is just a matter of training people out of their learned helplessness.  We have a govern-cement that insists that we go unarmed, and to not defend ourselves.  This is a mental war.

So, we have gotten to a place where our manufacturing exceeds desire, that the personal force field is pretty much leveled, and where communications have made it so that the community can quickly defend itself.

The answer today, to the question put forth is, Maybe.
Soon the answer will be No.  There will be no force done, by govern-cement or otherwise, that won't be stopped by the majority of people that just want to live and let live.
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@stan ·
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Governments form like planets and solar systems and star clusters and galactic superclusters do.  You can start out with a fairly uniform distribution of power among a governmentless group of people and over time small groups will pull together to compete against bigger groups to compete with barons and dukes and counts and maharajahs and kings and emperors in bigger and bigger clusters until One World Government emerges or a society collapse restarts the process all over again.

It may be theoretically possible for something else to work, but history has shown that it never does.  If pigs had wings, however, I agree they might fly.
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@jamesc ·
Like maybe around the clock block-chain juries that: run investigations and convictions, and take the place of the command and chief?
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@churdtzu · (edited)
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It never has yet, in the form that we envision it today, but there have indeed been societies which managed themselves using polycentric law. The Irish Brehon system of law lasted for 9,000 years. So yes, it is possible and yes it has happened.

Even so, we're talking about something new, and we're at a point in history where we're more technologically prepared than ever to find decentralised ways of solving problems. Before the Wright brothers, people said heavier-than-air flight had never happened and it never would. They were right on the first account.
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@stan ·
Governments are formed, not because of the best that is in us, but because of the worst.

When you can convince every neighbor not to conquer you, then you might have something.
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@creatr ·
I've recently participated in a long (and apparently fruitless) discussion with @profitgenerator about the morality of government (see the comments below his article: [**"Majority is always right!"**](https://steemit.com/philosophy/@profitgenerator/majority-is-always-right#@profitgenerator/re-creatr-re-profitgenerator-re-creatr-re-profitgenerator-re-creatr-re-profitgenerator-majority-is-always-right-20170212t080840900z)

I appreciate your article because I feel it's always good to raise the question, and not simply "make the assumption." I've come to believe that, particularly with newly developing distributed organizational and financial tools built on blockchains, the old saw "Give peace a chance" may have a real chance... 😄😇😄
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@olivera-despina ·
Thanks for the article! You've answered the question that's troubled me for a long time.
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@tatianamoroz ·
Such a great point that people need to face their fears to be able to understand they can live without governments and that we need a cultural change. Well said!
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@churdtzu ·
Thanks Tatiana, I appreciate it
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@olivera-despina ·
By the way, it would be awesome if you ever write an article on how science and space exploration may be organized without State.
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@churdtzu ·
That's an interesting one. Elon Musk did start Space X with his own funds, though obviously he subsequently received a lot of subsidies. There's also this: https://bitnation.co/space-agency/
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