RE: Why I Flag ozchartart by dantheman

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steemit · @dantheman · Jan 17 '17

I am grateful for the 76 flags because it lets me know who the sock puppets are.  There is no reason to flag a post that has declined rewards and isn't itself abusive.

👍 inertia, whatsup, cmtzco, tamersameeh, demotruk, senseiteekay

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@steemed · Jan 17 '17 (edited)

Your assumptions are erroneous.

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@williambanks · Jan 17 '17

Just to be clear, if someone were bot posting the same content as ozchartart you would have no problem with it so long as it was payout declined?

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@dantheman · Jan 17 '17

That is correct.

👍 the-ego-is-you, jasen.g1311

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@smooth · Jan 17 '17

_The only reason_ to flag this post is to express an opinion by doing so, whether sock puppets or not.

👍 the-ego-is-you, demotruk

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@demotruk · Jan 17 '17

Well, to vote with sock puppets does present a false sense of popularity to the opinion.

👍 whatsup

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@smooth · Jan 17 '17 (edited)

I somewhat agree, somewhat disagree. Given the nature of this system (though hardly unique to this system, as sock puppets are widespread on other social sites as well, where there is often little to no information, or no useful information, about which accounts are voting), people should not infer popularity from vote count (likewise popularity of disapproval from flag count) and I have repeatedly argued that these indicators should be removed from the UI (and possibly-replaced with a stake-weighted "score")

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@the-ego-is-you · Jan 17 '17 (edited)

There are no contractual rules for flagging anymore (I did consider the previous information box to be rules), so I'm sure there could be a huge list of reasons why someone would want to flag this post. Whether you or I consider it "reason" or not, won't stop that. 

Thus, obviously, everyone downvoting is not necessarily a sock puppet or unreasonable person, which you unfortunately seem to be implying in  the above comment.

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