Rep, Followers and Pageviews by deanliu

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· @deanliu ·
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Rep, Followers and Pageviews
Well, yesterday @oflyhigh wrote [a Chinese post](https://steemit.com/reputation/@oflyhigh/75) marking his Rep 75 milestone on Steemit (***Congratulations bro!!***) and this got me thinking of the missing ***pageviews*** from Steemit.com for quite some time now... 

If we are to look at some important personal *parameters* on Steem, here are the most likely candidates: **Steem Power**, **reputation**, **followers**. These are all on-chain data. But as I mentioned, pageviews on Steemit.com, to me, is also a very important number.

Let's skip SP as those money related numbers of course matter and I assume that most people come to Steem would know this. So, let's look at Rep, followers and pageviews, which I think all have some intrinsic defects but of course still carry some information with them.

https://steemitimages.com/300x600/https://steemitimages.com/DQmUMmj6ATLhyVoatLEzmYbfpNbEzjgNzCmVNni815PfeEQ/customer-experience-3024488_640.jpg

## Rep

<br>Reputation is supposed to be a measure that tells the general public about how this user is evaluated by the *community*, that means include the user him/herself *and* others. While this might be true before HF19, it is getting less so after the reward mechanism being changed to linear and the tendency to only care about self and own close circle prevails. Because you can buy your way up the Rep ladder with ease now since vote buying/selling is enabled by delegation + linear rewards. The index is contaminated. I am not saying that it *was* a perfect measure back then (yes, I am aware of the old whale self-voting, sock-puppets, and stuffs), but at least was a good reference point. Now, the future of current Rep system seems pretty doomed. 

https://steemitimages.com/300x600/https://steemitimages.com/DQmb9ZX7RjUqFF3HrzzG3vnk6U58Sn6AJWAsE5Ui8KEafmg/concert-768722_640.jpg

## Followers

<br>Yeah, this is also a non-monetary incentive to encourage bloggers to do better. Let's ignore the problem of [*Dead Followers*](http://steemit.deadfollowers.info/) and look at what this number means. Obviously a lot of users celebrate follower milestones too.

Let me put it this way: followers ... they ain't no fans. That's for sure. I have 7,785 followers now. Wow, gee, my mom would be thrilled! It's like I have a whole town following my work!! No, it is not. I know. It's not entirely un-true that followers are your fans, but I am only saying that while fans are followers but followers most of the time are not your *fans*.

It's simple - following people don't cost anything. People can follow others for all sorts of reasons - a) that guy is rich! b) I follow any trending authors I see c) this guy is incredibly retarded, let me mark it so I can tell my friends next time and d) I am a following-everyone bot ...

If I have close to eight thousand fans, comments to my posts and pageviews won't be just single or double digits. Although part of the reasons are that I have been writing mostly in Chinese in the past year, still, I know that this phenomenon applies to others, with exceptions of course.

https://steemitimages.com/300x600/https://steemitimages.com/DQmab9be7rypqsMy3XbD4h6MZ25HvTunMThZvS1hAeEEoZ7/woman-3358650_640.jpg

## Pageviews

<br>Therefore, the only seemingly good indicator of the influence of your post, before it vanished a week ago, is pageviews on Steemit.com. I am not sure if other UIs have such a design (busy.org does not). Pageviews can be pumped without much cost too - simply refresh the page and you will get a +1 view. I know. But, since this number is not associated with any rewards, so far it functions as a good feedback measure about my posts. I am happier if the pageview goes higher...

So, actually my main incentive to write this post is to appeal to the Steemit Inc ...

### Please bring back the pageview number, or at least tell us why you took it off the website and a future plan would be even better... 

***

https://steemitimages.com/300x600/https://steemitimages.com/DQmXB9P1RFz4jtJDv4r3HNu1VGEoYZvJUzxFzPR42ceh7bw/mountain-road-1556177_640.jpg

At the end, let me say something less frustrating - all of the above issues, I think, is partly caused by the encouraging fact that **Steem is growing fast!!** So, in a way, we should be happy about it and only need to think about how we can improve all these before we enter the massive growth phase as promised by HF20. 

[Hivemind](https://steemit.com/steem/@steemitblog/update-communities-hivemind) obviously might be one of the answers. So, look forward to that too! Come on... makes us busy bees again.... ^_^

<sub>*images - pixabay*</sub>

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@madhab465 ·
Your post very helpful and i like it. Your post is attracting me. Hope you will be with this way. Thank you ..
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@gamernoob ·
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Your comment is neither attractive or helpful. And is quite spammy in nature.
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@coder-bts ·
Idk why they removed the pageview, did they remove it in the api even?
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@deanliu ·
that I don't know. sorry.
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@rabeel ·
first of all congratulate to @oflyhigh for achieving milestone of 75 Rep. Really awesome achievement and I wish to him best of luck for his future plans and targets.
Thanks @deanliu for sharing such informative stuff and in detail describing the whole scenario about "Reputation, Followers and Pageviews". and thanks for realising us about **Steem is Growing.** Everyone is really glad now a days to see about it. 
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@hayzeed ·
Congrat,very informative post i have ever seen.

Check my new post, it is about new way o upload profile pix on steemit.
https://steemit.com/writing/@hayzeed/new-way-to-upload-your-profile-pix-on-steemit
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@wilhb81 ·
Hmm, just noticed it now, after you've mentioned it here... 
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@steemboy9 ·
Amazing post! I love it. Hey UPVOTE my post: https://steemit.com/life/@cryptopaparazzi/chapter-one-let-there-be-the-man-and-there-was-a-man-let-there-be-a-woman-and-there-was-sex and FOLLOW ME and I ll do the same :)
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@travelgirl ·
劉美女、I’m sure your mum will be proud regardless with 7000+ followers  haha
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@deanliu ·
thanks mum! you are the best! lol
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@nostalgic1212 ·
你不提起我都没注意浏览量这条讯息被“吃”掉了(´▽`)专门去翻了下,发现13天前还是有这个数据来着
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@deanliu ·
你是怎麼翻的?UI改了應該全部都沒了啊~~~
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@nostalgic1212 ·
我去找了別人給我的留言,依稀記得之前有人在留言里給我截圖,說當時那個post看起來很正常,15個upvote和15個閱覽(我好奇自己的記性是不是都耗在這類細碎的事情上了😂)
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@oldman28 ·
Not UI.  If you look for a post month ago on cnsteem the counter still there but new post gone.
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@kimzwarch ·
Just realized that the page view stat disappeared! I think that the page view is a good indicator for us to know whether how many organic reader drops by (at the very least and exclude our own page visit).
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@gamernoob ·
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You're spot on.  Reputations can be bought and manipulated. And the problem of dead followers is a big one. Especially for those pesky resteem services that claim to have thousands upon thousands of followers. 

Pageviews would be interesting, from a post performance perspective. If the statistic could be used to influence reputation then that would also be very useful. 

As it stands, I could buy 200 SBD worth of upvotes and have my reputation hit 60 quite easily. That shouldn't be possible.
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@kona ·
I am very concern about the page view, if no one view yr post, that is meaningless. For the long run of steemit, if your page cannot collect the fans, u will not keep posting!
Why the page view is missing?
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@deanliu ·
I don't know why. But if you have a low page views, a way to comfort yourself is ... my readers use busy or cnsteem mainly.... (since the old pageview of course can only count views on Steemit.com)
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@kona ·
😂😂😂comfort myself, so poor~
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@stoodkev · (edited)
$0.81
Reputation and Nb of followers won't cut it for sure. The number of page views also has its issues. As you said, this number only includes the page views on Steemit. To palliate, this number could be coded in the blockchain to increment everytime a post content is fetched. But then, it would be really to cheat the system, with a big of programming skills.

The best proposal regarding a metrics was done by @scipio a few months ago: [UAJS](https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@scipio/userauthority-ua-explanations-applications-and-implications).

 I actually worked a bit on developing this idea but it was too much work.
👍  ,
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@deanliu ·
Thanks kunting, that is a very good post that I wasn't aware of. Actually the ideas it proposes is very similar to what I have in mind but I only talked about it in Chinese and conceptually.

Look forward to a Utopia MVP and eventually the whole blockchain can enjoy it too.
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@itchyfeetdonica ·
I miss pageviews too! Though it can be pumped by refreshing, it’s a vital indicator from the marketing point of view. 
Happy to see some not-so-retarded influential big shot like you (with 785 fans + 7000 dead followers) calling the pageview back! Is there a petition we can sign to help? :) 
Btw, what’s “socket-puppets”?
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@deanliu ·
well, my post is trying to say that *I am no big shots*...  ha!

don't worry, pageviews will eventually be back I think. as I remember, it used to disappear before but returned.

not socket-puppets, sock-puppets. maybe you know 馬甲 better. :)
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@itchyfeetdonica ·
Aaaah, sock-puppets VS 馬甲! Suddenly it makes a lot of sense, haha... thanks for explaining! 
I know you are no big shots - 7000 followers of you are just fake, but you are not retarded either, so I still respect you a lot... ;)
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@nextgen622 ·
$0.69
Hey bro, totally agree with you here. Most metrics here such as rep and followers are useless. I too am a bit disappointed that we can’t see pageviews any more. I think pageviews is the best indicator of how useful a post is. I remember a while ago I was googling about NET5 tokens on NEO, and the first article that popped up was a Steemit article that earned around $5 or less, but it had a few thousand views, may have been close to 10k. Certainly puts most of the trending posts to shame.
👍  ,
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@deanliu ·
$0.37
Hi Jimmy, yeah, I had some experiences like yours too and I felt the same - they should've been rewarded for more... But, of course if we are to reward people with pageviews, it would be distorted too. If we can have a way to reflect true pageviews that is bad-programmer-proof, then a ranking based on this would be awesome - at least the SP holders can then decide whether or not to reward this kind of posts... 
👍  
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@nextgen622 ·
Yeah, that will be a better option.
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@yungchief ·
I also notice the disappearance of pageview but felt they should have made a post on why it was removed. 
I have noticed, people and upvote other due to the Reputation cos they want to be noticed, sincerely I followed you too cos of your reputation cos I could learn new things from your post and improve myself. I have been seeing your post for a while but couldn't read them cos of you write in Chinese but can easily relate with this.

Can I suggest you make translation version of all your post in Chinese. Thanks
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@deanliu ·
Thanks for following. I write English/bilingual posts from time to time. Cannot promise anything. Sorry.
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@yungchief ·
Alright, I will keep up with the one in English. Thanks
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@jessie901220 ·
哈哈 ~ 很多僵尸粉麼 ~ 
關注太多人也看不過來 能把自己真心關注的人的文章用心的看完才好 ~
不過pageview只是能看到數量吧 也看不出到底是誰讀過這篇文章 ~
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@deanliu ·
誰不知道的.... 數量就不錯了.... 
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@fr3eze ·
Pageview means something to the true writers, while spammers care about payout only. And I want both...
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@deanliu ·
I am a spammer pretending to be a true writer.... $_$
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@tradealert ·
$0.23
I couldn't agree with you more, the view count was a great tool that gave credibility to a blogger and was an important metric for many.
Reputation and followers mean nothing, bring back the view count!
👍  , , , , , ,
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@wuxing ·
你的英文好厉害啊!我一边翻字典一边看,才磕磕碰碰的读玩
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@deanliu ·
不厲害不厲害.... 我一邊翻字典一邊寫一邊改,才磕磕碰碰的寫完的。^_^
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@wuxing ·
看你都这样啦 要像你好好学习呢
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@shortsegments ·
Hi
I appreciate your concerns in this post and I am new, so I don't understand everything, but it seems like page views would be very useful and it would be nice to get a reward for them also.
I am intrigued by your comments  about followers and I am still trying to figure out how to engage my flowers without reducing my upvote power to zero. I will review your other posts about Steemit and I hope you can review and comment on this post in Chinese:https://steemit.com/ono/@shortsegments/ono-facebook
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@joythewanderer · (edited)
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I think rewarding unique page views can be a great solution for the existing problems on Steemit, but not with combination of the linear rewards system. Or to calculate exterior views as well. Since I noticed high SP holders will always get more views and comments from newer Steemians, who hope to get votes back, which makes perfect sense but still... 

As you also mentioned, page views (even uniaue page views) can be easily purchased and abused as well.

I think higher SP holder with quality content or engaging more in the platform (encourage newbies or run an interactive contest, whatsoever) should be rewarded more, but if the pages views can be easily purchased or manipulated, it won’t work.
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