Theft makes "society" happy by dullhawk

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· @dullhawk ·
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Theft makes "society" happy
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Is it good to take your property from you if doing so makes me feel good, and makes the person I give it to feel good?



What if almost everyone says they are made happier when I take your property?



People who believe in "public good" are OK with it. And, it seems that everyone who believes in political government thinks it's OK.



Even if you say you only support a "night watchman government" you're advocating the same thing with the same justification. But you can keep your "night watchman"; I don't need or *want* one. I have better things to spend my money on. If I come to believe I need a night watchman I would rather spend my money on security cameras and more weapons. If for some reason I feel particularly scared for a while I would rather hire a night watchman of my own choosing, and I wouldn't expect you to chip in to pay him... unless you *want* to.



I see people who support government making this kind of argument all the time. They believe if enough people are happy that my money is being taken, then it's good. I would be crazy to object-- my opinion isn't a serious opinion. I am not one of the "adults" contributing to the conversation. All because I don't support theft just because "the majority" are made happy because of it.



Funny that I don't see it that way at all. There is *NOTHING* I want bad enough to have someone steal from you to pay for it on my behalf.


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@lucylin ·
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The problem you have (and me, btw), is that the _kind of person_ you are (and me), are NOT in the center of the bell curve.

Sociologically speaking (and a few thousand years of history), _most_ people will sacrifice some liberty for some safety . 
Tribal, blah blah..

I accept  that _we are not_ 'in the majority' of the bell curve spread.

People will always accept _some_ government quite happily - law and order mostly, I would posit.  (I don't mean the shite we have now).

Now think of people  _just like us_ in perspective re the  independence issue - BUT, they are violent sociopaths who  will take and steal off weaker _individuals_..
..and so government, and group,  is formed...again, and again, and again...as history tells us.

I 'think' that is the reality of peoples, and Me/you are not in that club.
So we have to destroy government and rebuild it as small, and as 'theft free', as is humanly possible.

The ideology is perfect, but personally I don't think it fits in with human behaviors - and trying to put a square into a circle never tends to work out well. (communists keep trying it!)

...just my opinion, but I've gone from idealistic, to more  'pragmatic' ...and it feels like  a more 'comfortable fit', somehow..

I wholeheartedly agree with your perspectives, though.
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@dullhawk ·
Yes, I realize I am an outlier. But I'll keep nudging people from the center if possible. They really would discover they like it if they could just give it a chance. 
(I used to be just like them... well, more than I am now, anyway. I once believed some government was necessary. Now I see it as "*How much cancer would you like?*")
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@lucylin · (edited)
I had a long heated discussion with kafkananrchy a while back ,about this (and others..) 


>Now I see it as "How much cancer would you like?")


But this is my point.... (and Remember,  that _I_ see it just like you)

_WE_ are the outliers. Society is made up of...not us.
And importantly - history _shows us_ that this has always been the case- it always gravitates to how it is. 
..._Always_.
This isn't social engineering, it's a natural progression though 99% of most societies - ones  that are completely disconnected.
Hence the pragmatic look, and not the idealistic look.

It's not perfect - but neither are we..(well, we are , _obviously_   lol)

Hence it has to be structured _for them_ - those want _some_ security with an authority. (obviously a tiny , tiny government).

>Now I see it as "How much cancer would you like?")

Yes, because it is a  cancer _for us_, ....but for the _vast majority_ ,  it's a comfort blanket...
The trick (as I see it) is to let the blanket keep 'em warm, without smothering them to death.....
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@jacobtothe · (edited)
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Government is the lie that when A robs B and gives to C, either C is to blame or A is to be lauded as the height of virtue. No one blames A if they can help it. Hell of a racket...
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