A few cents more,... by freebornangel

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· @freebornangel · (edited)
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A few cents more,...
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<p>I won't pretend to know how the voting algorithm decides how much, and when, a vote is worth something.</p>
<p>http://steemdollar.com/dollar_per_vote.php?name=freebornangel</p>
<p>When I get time to learn the code behind this I'm sure I will take it because I hate not knowing something, and having to rely upon others to tell me.</p>
<p>So, I will just layout my proposal and see how many resteems it gets.</p>
<p>Resteems being what you do when you really want an idea to spread on the platform,...</p>
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<p>Currently authors don't get paid after the 30 day window.</p>
<p>More voting weight stretches out the payout window on the first payout.</p>
<p>These two things I know for sure.</p>
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<p>My proposal is that after the first payout the value of each upvote be determined, and paid out immediately.</p>
<p>Now, if that took a window of time&nbsp;to figure out the math, paying out at X utc each day would be ok.</p>
<p>I know the payout of each vote is determined by a percentage of the steem created each day and that can't be known until whatever cut off determines it.</p>
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<p>But, what I would like to see is that I could go to an author's page and upvote any/all of their posts and the author receive that payout.</p>
<p>In fact, if the votes fell off after the payout so that I could return tomorrow and upvote it again, that would be ideal.</p>
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<p>I think this would benefit the smaller fish because when I find one that I like I can upvote all the content that they have created.</p>
<p>This adds value to the archive of posts, much like authors get paid in the real world.</p>
<p>Why would a viable author lock up their content here when they only get limited payouts on it?</p>
<p>If Steven King had to waive resales of his old content he would be far less well off, I know I've read his books many years after he wrote them, and his publisher keeps them in print for just this reason.</p>
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<p>So, if you would like to get paid in perpetuity for your content resteem this.</p>
<p>If you see a way to improve on the concept comment it below or make your own post.</p>
<p>If you know why the code prevents this please comment that, too.</p>
<p>I realize that some folks would abuse this to launder money to their sock puppets, but we get that now.</p>
<p>Using those voting trails in pursuit of the most curation awards could have a field day upvoting their favorites.</p>
<p>But, when the community gets tired of it, they will rise up.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I'd like the value of my posts to endure longer than two payouts.</p>
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<p>Thanks for your time.</p>
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@barrydutton ·
RS and UV for you and I did not even wait til the 30 mins. window for the vote LOL.
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@freebornangel ·
Thanks, @barrydutton, perhaps we can get some traction on this proposal and reward ourselves that much better.
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@gregm ·
This is great, I would love to see these changes as well.
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@freebornangel ·
Thank you, @gregm!
Tell your friends?
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@cyber-punk ·
Followed, upvote, resteemed.  Not really sure of the mechanics of this myself just winging it as I go along.
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@freebornangel ·
Thank  you, @cyber-punk!!
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@soundlegion ·
upvoted .. good thinking
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@freebornangel ·
Thank you, @soundlegion!!
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@immarojas ·
RS.i honestly dont know all these voting stuff. Sorry but what's the 30 minutes window??
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@freebornangel ·
Thank you, @immarojas!!
Curation awards increase over the first 30 minutes.
Greater than 15 minutes gives you half and more, the other half or less goes to the author.
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@immarojas ·
I see ta!
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@pitterpatter · (edited)
I don't get any of this!
http://i.imgsafe.org/20f407645e.gif
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@freebornangel ·
Perhaps you could be more specific?
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@pitterpatter ·
I don't get the voting. Most of the time when I vote I don't see anything help out the author. Don't get the payout and wonder if suggesting anything would help this system to make sense.  Why can't they make it simple?
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@jphenderson ·
Resteemed and upvoted... love the idea
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@freebornangel ·
Thank you, @jphenderson!!
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@sigmajin · (edited)
In a perfect world, this is how it would work.  The reason there is a 30 day window is because there is a limited amount of data that can be stored on the blockchain, and every post that is still open to voting and comment must effectively have an open ledger, in perpetuity.  And those open ledgers have to be managed on the blockchain

It actually used to be much shorter, i think 24 hours then 48 hours for the second payout then the post was closed.

Dan seems to have a lot of posts that deal with blockchain technology that can handle more and more transactions, so i suspect that something like what youre talking about is likely in the cards, at least at some point in the future.

>My proposal is that after the first payout the value of each upvote be determined, and paid out immediately.

That site you link to actually isnt accurate at all.  I don't know how theyre figuring it, but its wrong (ive seen that site before)

the above is not possible, as the payout value of each vote is based on who else voted for other things.  For example, lets say everyone else on steem gets eaten by cannibals.  Its just you left, and you vote for one thing.  Your vote gets to assign the entire reward pool for the day (which is like 200K steem i think).

So if you vote for one thing, that vote is worth 200K steem.  If you vote for 2 things, you will cut the value of your first vote, and your first vote will be worth 100k steem and your second will be worth 100K.  if you vote for 3 things, theyll each be worth 66K.

So in figuring out how much reward a post  should get, the system takes  solves for X

posts votes/total votes=x/total reward steem for blogging.  This actually happens minute by minute.  So right now, this post has 71 votes and that is a percentage of all the votes cast, and its getting that percentage of a certain amount of steem thats created per minute.

If it continues to get that specific percentage, at the end of the 24 hour window, it will get 11 cents.  If i vote and add a cent to that total, its not that my vote is worth 1 cent, its that your share of the total minute by minute reward pool is higher by an amount thats about 1 cent, if voting continues at the current pace.

Now after your post passes its first payout, its competing in a different pool.  A 30 day pool that awards less steem per minute, but that your eligible to compete for for a longer time.

And BTW:  im pretty sure the 1 month window is exact -- it doesnt get extended by upvotes the way the 24 hour window does.
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@freebornangel ·
Thank you for taking the time, @sigmajin!!

A perfect world is the goal, right?
I don't understand why the block chain would need to do more than record one more post in the day's activity.
The age of the post would be one day, otherwise the block chain doesn't need to interact with that post?
Voting a 'closed' post would simply add one more active post to the day?
According to what you've said my vote's percentage is figured immediately, but changes over time, until a payout window closes.
Is it that total posts per day is limiting us to only voting actually new, as opposed to reopened new?

If the second payout window has less competition does it pay better?
Is it worth more to get/give your votes in the 30 day payout?

I was beginning to think that maybe the vote value was figured in steem on that link, but hadn't dwelled on it much.
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@sigmajin ·
>I don't understand why the block chain would need to do more than record one more post in the day's activity.

Im not really an expert, but my seat-of-the-pants understanding is that for the blockchain to even be able to recognize a vote on the post, the post has to _already be_ on the blockchain.  Even if a post gets no votes at all, there's a certain amount of space required just for the post to be there, eligible for votes.

So the problem isnt adding it back in if it gets a vote, its that in order to get the vote, it has to be already in.  So all the posts that are expired and that we wouldnt reasonably want to see reopened because theyre no longer timely or relevant, would have to have what amounts to an open  ballot box sitting on the blockchain, ready to tally its vote.  If that makes any sense.

>If the second payout window has less competition does it pay better?
Is it worth more to get/give your votes in the 30 day payout?

Im actually not sure, though ive wondered the same thing.  It makes sense to me that it would be, but my actual observation is that it doesn't seem to be meaningfully different.
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Re: A few cents more,...
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