Why I am negative to "WhaleShares" and believe it will be another "RewardPool-RAPE" for #STEEM. by fyrstikken

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· @fyrstikken ·
$832.09
Why I am negative to "WhaleShares" and believe it will be another "RewardPool-RAPE" for #STEEM.
<center>Right now we have 1,723,060 STEEM in the RewardPool Worth $2,151,495 on Poloniex. Motivation to design a new type of rewardpool-rape system you say? I think so too. In this video I explain why I am against WhaleShares, why I think it is a bad idea for steem, why we should not support such a thing where a third party game the system as middlemen and... well, watch the video and see if you agree with me or not.</center>
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTo9eolDRcc
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<center>RESTEEM & TWEET</center>
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@calamus056 · (edited)
$27.84
If the devs still haven't fixed the fundamental problems in the past year, you can expect initiatives like this. If the devs aren't doing anything, someone has to. For fuck sakes @ned, fix the algorithms so everyone is treated fairy on SteemIt and people can ACTUALLY curate and get rewarded and rated properly.
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@thejohalfiles ·
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@calamus056 ·
LMFAO you have 1.3 MILLION SP, most people have under a 100. I hope you were trolling ;)
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@fyrstikken ·
$0.30
yeah, me too - curating and doing it just fine - no need to pay me for an upvote.
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@ned ·
$31.74
Steady as she goes
-HF 19 - Linear Post Allocation Curve - https://steemit.com/steem/@steemitblog/2hfxx1-pre-release-hf19-linear-rewards
-HF 20 - ANN proposal coming soon
-CBTs (Community Building Tokens) - https://steemit.com/community-tokens/@fyrstikken/ned-scott-ceo-of-steemit-inc-have-a-40-minute-conversation-with-the-steemspeak-com-community more on this soon.
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@fyrstikken ·
That is awesome @ned! Looking forward to it!
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@calamus056 · (edited)
$8.01
@ned but linear rewards is only a very small step in the right direction, unless i'm misunderstanding the article. It's of course still better than it is now so that's good! Anyway, the rewards are only 1 of a few other basic problems with the algorithms. They all need to be tweaked so they all work together, right now content isn't curated properly, people don't get penalized for curating improperly (upvoting bad content, downvoting good content and sheep behavior for example), the reputation system is just a popularity system and it makes very little sense to allow voting from the first second of publication without giving the curators the opportunity to read the content at their own speed.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
$2.13
hmm @abit  would you mind sharing your reason of flagging @ned's comment?
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@kyriacos · (edited)
this is fantastic @ned . Did not know about the tokens
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@mindhunter · (edited)
$0.10
Thanks for the updates @ned - many are hysterical on here but fail to realise we are still in Beta mode. I myself have probed the underbelly of Steemit today in my Daily Dose, but that is the role of philosophy: to destroy our idols. Not in they way you might think, but to make us stronger in the long term so our Alpha game is never found lacking!!  ... Steady as she goes @ned ... blue skies ahead :)
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@mericanhomestead · (edited)
I'm just a minnow, a content creator coming from YT and FB in May, and Abit is downvoting my content.  What's the point of that?  He says its just business and no hard feelings.  WHAT??  Most of my followers are not whales!  It ruins my ambition. 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lCYxEOOCRU
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@everittdmickey ·
$2.08
another gimmick?
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@indiantraveller ·
$25.46
you have done great analysis, i am not sure whether whalshares and the other are harming steem but quite influenced by your thought. I need to research more on this. Thanks for the video
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@fyrstikken ·
You are welcome, please do your due diligence/research. Thanks for the comment
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@teamsteem ·
$16.25
I salute your post. 

This is a complex subject and I'm not 100% for or against the project even though I have said of it that it's pure genius. 

You might be right. It's difficult to foresee everything this project entails. I'm saying this honestly.  

I think as with everything there are risks and benefit which people will have to evaluate. 

Personally I don't think I would ever want to sell some of my votes because I wouldn't want my votes to appear on posts I don't support. I abhor the idea of seeing my name appear on a post that push ideals I oppose. I think this will be the case for most people. I also think this will become truer to everyone as Steem overall influence grows.

Also whales that sell their votes will have to evaluate the risk of losing some support if they engage in selling their votes, for the reasons mentioned above. If someone see a whale they know who's an anarchist beginning to vote on all sorts of posts that are anti-anarchist they will instantaneously  understand this whale is selling their votes and might hesitate to support that Steemian in the future.

There's also the fact that bad authors who need to buy votes should in the long run become less influential compare to the authors who garner real consensus and so don't have to pay to create consensus or fake consensus.  

>*"Assuming all individuals can communicate and have incentive to live in the truth then truth will prevail. If there is incentive to believe a lie, then the lie will prevail. This applies even on an individual basis."* Dan Larimer

I think what you are saying it this post is a bit a kind to saying: "Hey! We have incentive to live in the truth and not selling our vote to the highest bidder. Let's vote for what is most important or the truest to us. The best placed person to cast the best vote for us and thus everyone around us is ourselves, not the highest bidder in term of $." I tend to agree on that. 

In the long run, Whaleshare or not, I tend to think most people will vote for themselves, for what is best for them. 

I tried to clarify some of my stance on this project and I look forward to some more discussion on it.
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@notoriousdjp ·
$1.17
Buying upvotes is #fakesteem like how CNN is #fakenews.. be better Steemians!
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@fyrstikken ·
Exactly right!
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@stillwater ·
Very well said!  Agreed.
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@andykillian ·
$4.22
Actually take the time to post, read articles and comment. The natural way.
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@fyrstikken ·
that is the best way.
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@lukinsawyer ·
$4.16
lending steem power, now that's interesting. Good thought!! And Awesome video, very, very informative.
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@fyrstikken ·
So True.

And at least that is 100% fair, and everyone can participate in it. Whaleshares will become something only people with money can participate in (poor people cannot afford whaleshares/paid upvotes) 

Thanks for a great comment @lukinsawyer
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@lukinsawyer ·
$5.35
Thanks for a great post!... I also think it's pretty shady this whole whaleshare.. Seems like money is just getting recycled through rich hands.
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@intelliguy · (edited)
$15.40
I think @officialfuzzy had his heart in the right place, because he was seeing the positive features of WHALESHARES

However, I also am worried about the negative possibilities and that is why I cautioned him that he should do an ALPHA testing phase, then a BETA phase, before it goes live.

The idea I think was to reward users who contributed in multiple ways to the success of Steemit, BeyondBitcoin, or Bitshares  (which are all somewhat related in some form).... by earning WHALESHARES and then being able to use them to get help upvoting their post, or other people's posts.

But I do how see there could be a negative way of it being seen, and how whoever could afford the most WHALESHARES could use them wrong to upvote lower value content.

####  To be fair fyrstikken, I don't think downvoting the posts was the right course of action either, because what you ended up doing, was the exact same thing.

### You can afford to power up largely, and then use that power (to collude with yourself and your money) to downvote people.

#### So it could be seen as a pot calling the kettle black... and that can be a problem too.

_(On a side note, there was a show on TV called [WHALEWARS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_Wars).  I hope that is not what this turns out to be in the end)_

My recommendation is that WHALESHARES project be temporarily halted until we discuss it further and design the system in a way that it couldn't be abused.

For instance, one of the ideas that came out today was for the whaleshares bot to leave a comment like:

This post has been upvoted by WHALESHARES and initiated by user  **username**

This way there was some accountability to it.  I don't know if that is enough.. and maybe not.

So at this time, I'm currently on the fence.  If I was awarded WHALESHARES myself, I currently wouldn't use them yet (or ever), until the specifics of the system were all ironed out.

I don't know if this project is going to work or not. It's really to difficult to tell. I know you did try to echo your concerns last week, but it turned into a yelling match which didn't solve anything (also my internet was cutting out, so I only heard about 20% of what anyone said)

Either way, I'm glad you were able to echo your opinions, but even I am still confused on how WHALESHARES will work. I don't know how you managed to figure it all out, since it hasn't really been launched yet.  It's kind of in the planning early stages.

Like most disagreements on Steemit, I hope we can all keep this discussion civilized. No one wants steemit to fail or drop in value. I know I don't.
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@fyrstikken ·
$0.09
>I think officialfuzzy had his heart in the right place, because he was seeing the positive features of WHALESHARES

>However, I also am worried about the negative possibilities and that is why I cautioned him that he should do an ALPHA testing phase, then a BETA phase, before it goes live.

Many people seem to have their heart in the right place at first, until you hear and see the greed and desperation of making money in the name of helping minnows.

I just do not buy it and see it as nothing more than a money-grab on a third party platform (<b>Steem is not a Bitshares-token and will never be</b>).

>To be fair, I don't think downvoting the posts was the right course of action either, because what you ended up doing, was the exact same thing.
>You can afford to power up largely, and then use that power (to collude with yourself and your money) to downvote people.
>So it could be seen as a pot calling the kettle black... and that can be a problem too.

Last week I was raising concerns about the very same topic on Fuzzys radioshow, and all I got was fuzzy yelling at me for endless amounts of time being told how wrong I am, and that I am a hothead and whatnot. That being said, It was necessary to catch all these colluders attention, so I gave them a flag from a whale that does not agree, my own flag - paid for by myself. 

These people need to wake up and understand that they cannot just tour on as they please. They should rather fork STEEM and make their own platform where Fuzzy can be king instead if it is so important to him.

>Either way, I'm glad you were able to echo your opinions, but even I am still confused on how WHALESHARES will work. I don't know how you managed to figure it all out, since it hasn't really been launched yet. It's kind of in the planning early stages.

Well, I hope more and more people (like yourself included) get more eyes on the matter, so that we have zero confusion going on. I do not want to see Steem being drained again, and with whalevote-buying I can easily see how scam-coins could be hyped up on Steemit and make people lose money like on WangChange etc.

>Like most disagreements on Steemit, I hope we can all keep this discussion civilized. No one wants steemit to fail or drop in value. I know I don't.

I am sure we can have a civilized debate and more posts about the matter. Nobody wants steemit to fail, specially not us who spend a lot of money and time on steem and steemit. 

Thanks for your comment.
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@intelliguy · (edited)
$3.84
I do love it when people can discuss things.  My fingers crossed this all works amicably in the end.

P.S. There was some yelling going on both sides. Both people admitted they weren't yelling.. I don't know the jury is out on that one. :)

Oh, and I should mention, @officialfuzzy gets so fixated on helping people... the small whale he is.. he rarely takes anything for himself. I had to pressure him to buy a new computer after listening him chronically complain about his old dilapidated equipment. 

He does have a good character. That's why it's important for me to speak up for him.
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@officialfuzzy · (edited)
$0.46
thanks intelliguy.  dont make enemies who will try to harm you on my account. What i am building is going to be huge for the community.  I let my actions speak for themselves.
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@beanz ·
$3.57
People buy steem (or earn it through  consistently getting the same votes) and upvote themselves.  It is the same except it gives fuzzy a way to identify the people who are promoting the things he wants promoted.  Nobody is yet expected to "buy" the whaleshares.  Though you can if somebody is willing to sell them - same as steem.
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@intelliguy · (edited)
$0.08
Well gee.. you just broke down a complex issue into simple terms. :)

It's true.  If someone "earns" a lot of steem the traditional way, and then sells them on the market.. a whale can buy them up (for argument's sake, let's say fyrstikken) and then use those same steem that were bought/sold to power up his steemit user acccount to do what he wants with..

Now what you're saying, is that instead of people buying steem from an open market (like poloniex or bittrex) they could also have another method of "earning" steem power (in the form of votes) from people who contribute to BeyondBitcoin talk in some way... and still gain the same benefit as if they had bought them on the open market.

Ok, now it's becoming clearer.

So it's basically the same thing.. it's all the way you either demonize or accept it.  Depending on which side of the fence your on.   I get it now.  This is the first time I've really understood it.  Thank you @beanz for stating the obvious which eluded me until now. :)

What we need is one of those INFOGRAPHIC charts that compares whaleshares vs open market purchasing of steem.

I suspect both are the same, and are no different for the end result. :)  lol.
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@dreamrafa ·
$2.12
kind of buying upvotes... What about those who cant buy the upvotes?... Will whales upvote crappy content?
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@fyrstikken ·
$2.37
I wont upvote "crappy" content - but you donΒ΄t need to pay me for an upvote if I find your article interesting. Imagine if everyone started charging everyone for upvotes, STEEM would be REKT. I donΒ΄t want that to happen. I love Steem, and I love the users and all the cool stuff I find here. 

I want our platform to be as fair as possible, fairness is important for the integrity of steemit.com and all the other steem-powered websites and apps.
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@dreamrafa ·
$2.58
Well, that is something i don't understand about whaleshares, what happens if someone "pays" for getting their post voted but is a poor content post?... Are whales bound to vote anyway?
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@battleaxe ·
$2.57
lest forget paying for downvotes to really have things rekt
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@reduen ·
Again is steem intended to be only for bloggers?
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@olmech ·
$2.11
Thank you for this information.
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@fyrstikken ·
your most welcome.
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@trafalgar ·
$2.08
can I get a link to this whaleshare thing? Whats this about?
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@kyriacos ·
$1.02
I designed the logo. 

https://steemit.com/design/@kyriacos/the-making-of-whaleshares-brand-design-logo-presentation

Here is the post
https://steemit.com/beyondbitcoin/@officialfuzzy/beyondbitcoin-bounties-whaleshares-logo-contest-round-1-3-1000-s-of-steem-in-prizes

I am not sure how it is going to work either. I did the logo because I almost always enter design competitions in Steemit
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@fyrstikken ·
$0.53
Here you go, @trafalgar: https://steemit.com/created/whaleshares
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@trafalgar ·
$3.59
sounds very interesting but I agree that it can be exploited really badly
I didn't look very deeply into it, that's just my cursory impression
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@beanz ·
$0.39
We'll be posting an interview explaining the concept very soon.  Follow @votu to stay tuned
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@ats-david ·
$31.99
Yeah, it's literally vote-buying. I'm not sure how this is supposed to improve anything. And I imagine that the people who need the votes the most won't be able to buy them anyway.
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@dreamrafa ·
I thought about that too... What if i don't have enough tokens to buy the votes?... People with more tokens gets more upvotes and more money to buy more tokens... Capitalism all over again lol
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@battleaxe ·
$0.87
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@ats-david ·
$0.09
You like me? You really *like* me???
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@fyrstikken ·
$2.03
exactly - man, you are so on point.

>the people who need the votes the most won't be able to buy them anyway.

^ That right there - is <b>wisdom</b>

Thank you for a great great comment @ats-david, very welcomed!
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@throw-away911 ·
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@jaredcwillis ·
Agree with both of you. I would consider myself to be in the Steemit "middle class" so I bought a few shares to see what the fuss was all about. The conversion rate at the time was roughly 1 BTS/WHALESHARE. Essentially it boils down to 1 BTS/1% of upvote. To me it definitely wasn't worth it even for those who can afford it. The cost-benefit ratio just isn't there.
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@gktown ·
$0.04
Why even have steempower if people can just rent the use other peoples steempower?
There are systems that we build on top of steem that benefit steemit, and there are systems people build within steem to game the system. Lets be constructive and aim to add value rather than reap value. Best.
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@yonny ·
The whole idea seems unorganized, unnecessarily complicated and undermines the integrity of the upvote system.
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@playfulfoodie ·
$0.25
More reasons besides upvoting for *good quality*. This isn't a good thing at all...
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@marionjoe ·
thank you for even further explanation. cheers @ats-david
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@throw-away911 ·
http://i.imgur.com/bJIoCtC.png?1

Mmmmmm vote buying is yummy when your nose is already between whale ass cheeks ...

How does the whale crack taste ATS ?
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@ats-david ·
Yeah...notice that I said they got "scooped on the scam?"  

What exactly is your point?
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@cannabissativa ·
Sounds like a pyramid scheme. And i see more initiatives like this .
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@lordoftruth ·
$14.73
Thanks for interesting and detailed analysis
Thanks for 4 point plan
I watched the video and I agree fully with you

Have a great weekend
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@fyrstikken ·
Your welcom @lordoftruth, great weekend to you and yours too.
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@lordoftruth ·
$1.63
Huge thanks for your support.
Yes, the weekend start, the time to enjoy some beers.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WOEWWKs_nLU/S9B5shPiynI/AAAAAAAABRU/TCxlkKbPwd8/s1600/norway52.jpg
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@bullionstackers ·
$2.49
I heard about it. Whaleshares
Very confusing. Need to understand more.
I don't need it.
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@akkha ·
$1.19
Perfect analysis! 

![thumbs up steem with akkha.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmcxhQm8weYpmQHp1PA8RkxpoZzMgHWYwykm7vcQH3jug9/thumbs%20up%20steem%20with%20akkha.jpg)
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@jimmyrai28 ·
$1.19
I am 100% with you on this retaliation and flagging . And, I personally feel  reward pool program should also be stopped. Thanks for sharing your thoughts @fyrstikken
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@ryanblue7s ·
$1.26
I am new to steemit but I would never buy an upvote ,  I like earning my way not buying it.
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@road2wisdom ·
$1.87
Thank you for your great analysis, information and for taking the time to figure all this out its very much appreciated. I dealt with vote bullying on my last post. I sucks big time. I was told it was to balance things out, I said at the time to balance what a $1.20 post at the time.  @mindhunter told me you are awesome at this stuff.  Thank you for this post.  It made my night.
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@battleaxe ·
Good wins
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@battleaxe ·
As a woman on here, we need to band together and take no crap, steem on
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@road2wisdom ·
We definitely all need to band together, men and women that way nobody who wasn't  involved in whatever disputes are going on doesn't get hit by the crossfire like I did today. Especially when I'm here to community build and everyone I have met has been nothing but nice to me and vice versa.  I also have to follow one of my rules in life never take anything personal.  I hear you@ battleaxe but anything can happen on steemit.  Hopefully all the wrinkles get ironed out soon.
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@funkit ·
$1.21
Fyrstikken! Eg Γ¦lske deg! Rett i smΓΈrΓΈyet!

On another note: buying those uia assets is going to become increasingly expensive. Bitshares (and Steem) is moving up -so spending your hard earned money on acquiring these third party tokens might be the most expensive upvotes you ever bought. Generally I would say do not buy anything you don't completely understand. By all means, I support bitshares and own it. The problem is the uia tokens that could be anything. Most of them can also be deleted if the issuer feels like it.

Heads up to fyrstikken for being outspoken and somewhat articulated  😊
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@hainanren ·
$1.28
Your idea is unique, but you're a little naive.
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@whatsup ·
$2.82
I need to consider the information presented, but I really appreciate you taking the time to clearly articulate your thoughts.  Thank you
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@trevorlyman ·
$2.19
I think you make great arguments and I agree with you.  And by the way, I wrote a post on SteemPower loans as well! :)

https://steemit.com/steemit/@trevorlyman/p2p-steem-power-loans

One comment though, if the system puts motivations in place that allow people to game the system I think the problem is more with the system than those that are abusing it.  I view the abusers more like "hackers".  They are revealing weaknesses in the system, and so also opportunities to improve it.
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@reduen ·
$0.08
Trevor, to this point I have been studying  cryptocurrency aspect of steem and not really what the actual platform is about. I thought it was just sort of a replacement for facebook, twitter, etc... Is it really only for bloggers? Is that what I am hearing here?
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@shellyduncan ·
$2.09
Thanks for the insight @fyrstikken.  As a newbie, this can be quite confusing as I get my head around things.  Voting seems to be a political topic.  I vote for articles I like and I learn something from.. at the moment some of these do certainly cover steem and crypto articles as I learn more, but equally travel, health food and photography articles I find interesting. I wondered about this program as a newbie, obviously we all like to see rewards, but also had a gut feeling it was not in the true spirit of Steem.  Good to go with my instinct I think.  I'll just continue to publish content that I am proud of and make meaningful connections with like minded people and any monetary rewards are a bonus :)
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@stillwater ·
$2.13
Straight forward, to the point and good info I wasn't even aware of.    Thank you.  Following.
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@kyriacos · (edited)
$9.69
Hey man,

You downvoted my post. I did just the design. You know very well that I enter almost every design contest here in Steemit. It's my job and opportunity to get involved. Imagine if you were getting downvoted for inviting people that some other whales disagree. 

You are a whale with half a million power. How could you possibly downvote a design initiative when you know very well I have nothing to do with anything else? At least wait to see how this thing will turn out. It's very hard for people like me to build rep just to see it go away because you decided to measure dicks with another whale. 

https://steemit.com/design/@kyriacos/the-making-of-whaleshares-brand-design-logo-presentation
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@fyrstikken ·
$0.07
Yes, I downvoted your design-post for WhaleShares. If you see the video you will know why.
Do not take it personally - this is business & politics. 

Let us get all the cards on the table and make sure the deck is right.
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@kyriacos ·
$0.07
What politics? I am a designer. I enter EVERY competition. You know that very well since I got involved with the RobinHood Whale initiative. Why you hurt people that just get involved with the community when you know how hard it is for people like me? 

Dude I remember you just some months ago, whining and moaning about the unfair downvotes you were getting. I even supported some of your posts in good heart. You came into a position of power and you do the same shit with the same exact excuse? 

This is not a professional response from your part. This is an emotional outburst. Classic "small guy turn into asshole because of immediate power".
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@doitvoluntarily ·
$2.11
don't know much about the topic or what whaleshares is, going to watch the vid now
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@wakeupsheeps ·
$9.47
Gaming the system has to stop.  Whatever the agreed upon distribution is, and will be, is what we have to work with.  I'm relatively new and I see the bloodthirsty greed of people demanding follows for follows, looking to get rich tomorrow. 

This platform should look at new members as a country looks at legal immigration.  Only a certain number per day per week per month.  Otherwise the platform will be overrun and perverted by gold-seekers.
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@libert ·
I liked your username, it's pretty accurate here
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@wakeupsheeps ·
Thanks, I started using this avi on twitter years ago.
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@realcodysimon ·
$2.59
Wow I hadn't thought of this before. Thats a great analysis you've done. It does seem like it goes against the general mantra of steel...
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@silveready1 ·
$2.59
excellent info.! - thanks for keeping us informed - Voted and following.
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@scrooger ·
$1.20
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@sepracore · (edited)
$1.20
Great post. It certainly opened my eyes to the potential negatives of WhaleShares. I honestly had not taken the time to consider them. I will need to think about this in more depth. Thank you.
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@citizenpresscorp ·
$1.23
Awesome analogy comparing the corrupt political system and gaming the system... Thank you
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@smart0mind ·
$1.72
@fystikken you brought a valid point to the table indeed , but if we look into this those are valued weight for the system and each contribution will be promising to the network so its give and take , what do you think ?
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@officialfuzzy ·
$0.14
Why such hate guys?

You know me...or you should.
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@fyrstikken ·
$2.20
I think your project is designed to make you rich and I do not see how it would benefit anyone else. I have known you for about 1 year, and in that year I have noticed a change in you, allow me to say, I think money and power has gone to your head, @officialfuzzy, you are not the man you were a year ago and that reflects in what you say and what you do. 

What exactly have you done for the minnows and steemit since you joined @officialfuzzy - I am curious how valuable you think you are, and how valuable you really are in terms of generosity.
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@mindhunter ·
$5.08
Well said @fyrstikken - @officialfuzzy needs to look inwards here. Money makes a good slave, but a terrible master! The tone of his posts have changed towards allowing money to be his master since I first arrived here! Lets pray he changes his attitude and shapes up like his grandparents!!
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@officialfuzzy · (edited)
You are a child.

Please ignore my existence. I prefer to build...you prefer to tear things down. Karma is coming fyrst. Its out of my hands bro.
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@ploofay ·
$1.63
I agree to it being a vote-buying. The people who needs the most can't do anything :(
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@coliraver ·
$1.64
Flag whaleshare... Agree with that
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@nitinchugh ·
$1.64
nice informative video
you are on the right track buddy
thanks for sharing
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@gktown ·
$3.59
Yeah, I'm with you. I'm not into this.
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@droeko ·
$1.22
I agree fully with you
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@prabhatchugh ·
$2.61
@fyrstikken thank you for bringing this matter up in the light 
I hope teamsteem does take the right step in resolving this issue.
More power to you mate.
Beer is on me!!
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@teamsteem ·
What do you mean and have you seen my comment above?
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@prabhatchugh ·
$2.39
Absolutely i saw your comment that is the reason i mentioned your name agai so that you get to know we have hopes from steem.

Here in india i am trying to get more people on this platform moreover we see the price of steem as cryptocurrency is growing on the charts and posts and things like these might make a setback for the investors and believers of steem.
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@patelincho ·
$4.19
Fyrstikken is not problem , you know how much i respekt you . I will explayn why i like the project and if you disagree cool we all have a right to see the
things diferent:)
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@fyrstikken ·
IΒ΄ll hear you on steemspeak when you log in :)
Nothing personal, just politics/business.
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@patelincho ·
$4.19
Going to heardreser but my new mic is here we will test and speak leater :)
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@battleaxe ·
yessa, and I'm a businesswoman
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@mindhunter ·
$4.35
#whaleshares #krcollusion #whaledownvoting #rewardpoolrape Whatever next big man?? Great video!!
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@happyme ·
$1.64
It seems ironic that I just finished watching a documentary called I AM about a Hollywood director (Tom Shadyac) who experiences a life-threatening head injury that makes him ask 2 questions:
What is wrong with this world?
What can we do about it?
Then I go to my computer and read this!

I encourage everyone to borrow the DVD from the library or find it somewhere else and watch it. I was telling the others in the room watching with me that what I so enjoyed about Steemit was that we were a community that valued sharing equitably. The documentary discloses what greed does to people and I would hate to see that happen here. This was our ticket to freedom from tyranny.  Please don't destroy that.
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@beanz ·
$0.07
Sorry fyrstikken, but you're buying steem to upvote.  How is it any different if somebody uses these whaleshares, which once spent are gone - unlike steem where you can keep going forever?
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@fyrstikken ·
$0.84
Lol, You wanna buy some whale-votes, or do you want to earn real votes from your audience? Fake it until you make it? Pay the middle-man? So Sad.

<b>Yes, I buy Steem - and I power some of them up</b>, I wont sell votes - but I am willing to rent out some of my steempower on a legit open market. Then you can do with it what you want without dragging me into the dirt.

If you are so desperate that you need to buy whale upvotes, then I am sure there are whales that you can do that with directly already. However, I would suggest going legit, create great content, make it a good click-bait, marketing it like a boss and earn it.

Have you too been blinded by the dollar-signs so you cannot see straight? 

What happen to that @beanz that was against corruption and for fairness and freedom, was that just a facade?
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@beanz ·
$0.07
I've never bought a whale vote fyrstikken.  I earned some tokens the same way most people earned steem - knowing the right people and supporting the shit they happen to like.  This token simply allows me to vote for any posts just like steem power.  It is the same as messaging @officialfuzzy in private, which as you know is how we've always had to do things, because we do not have any auto-voters.  He supports whatever we post, even the memes, for whatever reason.  Instead of giving us his voting key and saying "here, take as much as you want" he's giving out a token that limits the amount people can take.  And he's giving them to the people he chooses to vote for just like you and every other whale does.

I am against corruption when I see it fyrtikken and the platform is riddled in it.  Unfortunately you're not seeing how your steem power self upvotes are the exact same except there is a limited supply of votes we get from these tokens, unlike steem power.

People are not voting for our posts in order to get a return - and because of that it is not vote-buying like the simply bet sporting posts are.  You can only compare it to the way steem buying is vote buying, but for now it's mostly community building and earning just like they do on steemspeak and the price channel and everywhere else where friends vote for friends.
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@stefanarud ·
$2.64
I'm totally with you @fyrstikken
You are a great person for this community. I first listened to you in the latest talk with ned and I love your accent.
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@libert ·
$3.65
Everything you said is so true. 

"so shit posts will get whale votes? " this was the first thought to cross my mind when I heard about whale shares few days back.
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@rebelnutrtion ·
Somthing doesnt seem right about this?
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@playfulfoodie ·
$0.03
What, another kind of token? Gosh, I'm sure *that* won't confuse things... I'll have to look into this one once I'm back home, but gotta run for now.
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@abcdoctor ·
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zFAvzf0Mv0
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@themanualbot ·
Usually I never go deep down into detailed ideas and at a first glance, I thought whaleshare is good project that helps small fishes and minnows. But it could be the opposite one as what ats-david stated.
This is a great review for anyone who thinks that whaleshare is a good idea, esp. on ordinary steemian. It gives more frustration on them thinking that they can benefit from it well infact it is not clear enough and transparent.
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@bobskibob ·
100% agreed
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@oluwoleolaide ·
I can see why you downvoted me a 100%, its just a contest i wish to win some steem......No affi
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@kiwiscanfly ·
you make some great points on this - upvoted and following
i like your idea seems fairer
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@bobskibob ·
i can see whaleshare program leading to this

![steemshop.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmQCYDdQ76diMjjweypBeJeTxAkFxPyLBhG3hEfHXghDoT/steemshop.jpg)
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@ocrdu · (edited)
As you can see on the clusterfuck the Trending Page has become, there are plenty of ways to circle-jerk, game, collude, befriend, etc. your way to high pay-outs for sub-par posts.

Let's not formalise or enable this in new ways.
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Big mention for you in the Daily Dose today big man! #grandparentsproud :)
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@gindor ·
Thanks for sharing this. I just posted a blog about the power of ambassadors as i think we have something special going here and we need to promote that. But this whale buying does not fit in that picture if you ask me!
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@cgame ·
So from now, it will be useless to make good content, just make shit content buy votes and you will make money. This is a greate idea for making money but how can improve this Steemit. It will become a place where good content will be useless and also a flag vs votes battle.
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@ahyenno ·
oh wow !! That is beautiful !! You are very talented , I love it ! Thanks for up voting one of posts , on the chat chanel ! Upped yours back !!
I will also resteem it so it gets more views , if you want to resteem this post for me !? Thanks , heres the link !
https://steemit.com/photography/@ahyenno/the-art-of-beaded-flower-violet
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@konelectric ·
$0.16
Don't fake it.  Those are good words.
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@richardjuckes ·
That you for your action, which clearly demonstrates your commitment to the health of Steemit, and for the clarity with which you articulate your case.
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@reduen ·
Thanks for your opinion on this. I resteemed this project but it was only because I still don't fully understand how all of this works. Is there some reason you only want bloggers to be on steemit?
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@shankar · (edited)
if these things happen we will loose the real value of steemit for what it was created.................
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@gtg ·
Like @teamsteem said _"I'm not 100% for or against the project"_.
Ideal situation is that every user would choose content they like and vote for it manually using his own Steem Power. However: 
- we are unable to get rid of bots (and after all, bot's votes are at some point defined by humans)
- it's unlikely for big investors to sit in front of their computers and curate (usually they are big investors not because they spent their time on social media sites)

Your idea about internal Steem Power delegation market is interesting (and IMHO much better) but is it really much different than this project?
Look at the bright side: every initiative on Steem is some value added. If WhaleShares project is bad for this platform it would just not survive in a long run.

We already have too much drama about other people's voting, not voting, counter-voting, downvoting.

Instead of flagging what you don't like, go and find something that you do like. 

Good luck :-)
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@teamsteem ·
I agree with you @gtg but not on the flagging part. I think flagging is an integral part of Steem and as with everything there are benefits and risks to flagging which everyone must evaluate.
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@gtg ·
It's not that I think that flags are bad. Like I wrote in my [Fun with Flags](https://steemit.com/steemit/@gtg/fun-with-flags) post; 
>_"It is actually an upvote... but the other way around ;-)"_

Negative votes are integral part of Steem, I agree on that.
Yes, we need them to "get rid" of  spammers or other abusers.
What I mean is that we don't need all that drama around them.
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@heimindanger ·
$0.08
Agreed. 

Fuck this system. Fuck any system but what is coded in the STEEM blockchain.
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@twn ·
Agree with you.
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@chrissymchavez ·
I had no idea this was even happening. Thanks for making us all aware!
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@chrissymchavez ·
PS Thanks for the upvote on my latest post, I appreciate it!
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@nomad88 ·
Nicely put @fyrstikken
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@stardust ·
If it is like that I don't think it is right to buy a vote. I also believe that we must write good posts.
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@buster544 ·
Thanks for standing up for all the people that need folks like you to make a stand in a community that lots of us are new to, let alone a crypto currency system that many including myself are learning.
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@marzukibrain ·
thank you my friend.....!
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@aashishkandel ·
Now this certainly has negative impacts on the philosophy of the community, the philosophy being " good authors are appreciated and rewarded the best, but not those crappy leach". 
You know @fyrstikken how much I respect you, you do upvote me for my good works because it's worthy not because I asked you. 
And, this is how you say it 
>I wont upvote "crappy" content - but you donΒ΄t need to pay me for an upvote if I find your article interesting

this line really got my attention and is worth it

Now that I am not completely for or against the system, but I also don't like the idea about shit post earning money. You know I joined this community in march, and it's only been two months and I have got supports and benevolence. I enjoy this community because of the idea that we can share knowledge and idea to anyone with same interest and on the side get paid for it. Money isn't only a concern, the network and the community is. The community where good authors are appreciated and rewarded for their goodness :) This gives value to the community. @ned hi, you are the CEO of the community, which @surpassinggoogle says everyone is in terms of their vision and their belief, I couldn't agree more :)

However, if someone could get upvotes and thereby money because of tokens and not their work and goodness then that would definitely hurt the community. It will just mean for the money and for the play, the play being earning money. 

I am not fully against the whaleshares token btw. I have also promoted it, but I do not tempt to support or go against this. It also has some pros on the side, it will hopefully rise the demand and thereby price of steem, and also some struggling users who haven't been getting much rewards that they deserve can actually earn money for them. That being said, it won't be a good idea to just upvote some crappy posts because of tokens. I believe there must be some guidelines and restrictions as to which post should be eligible for the upvotes. Anyway, that would bring a whole different scenario. 

I love the community for the support and vision it has, the vision being helping each others. 
Thank you for your time to read my opinion, and don't get me wrong, I am only a member of the community expressing myself :)
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@lepton ·
You are right, this whaleshares thing smelled a bit fishy from the beginning but I had to see the video to fully understand that this could be very bad for Steemit. Keep up the good work.
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@adrianwastag ·
Good post. If you want follow me :)
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@manycoolthings ·
...And of course it will mean that unless the whales get those tokens they wont give you the upvotes. Kind of like payola in the music industry of old. Whales get kickbacks for their upvotes....hmmmmm
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@licklake · (edited)
$0.04
True words. This will ruin steemit long term. It's just a snowball system.
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@konelectric ·
$0.14
I'm glad you posted this. When fuzzy put his idea about 'whaleshares' out there, I could see it benefiting the Bitshares platform but not the steemit. So I stayed out of this project. It doesn'tΒ  look like a win/win for both sides. I was in on one of fuzzys secret meeting when steemit was just launch. So I'll start by pointing out a fact. People are going to try to game the Steemit system and no one can shame them to stop. What I learned about fuzzy in the last 3 years is that he is a gamer. I mean online videos games. He did states he was going to try to game Steemit in order to fix it. In other words, use the 
skill he has to make steemit better by braking it. In the end if fuzzy can't game Steemit. Then beta testing is over. I could be wrong, just my 2 steem cents.
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@gaby-de-wilde ·
Let me explain the paradox in simple terms:

Everything on steemit that talks about steem is a shit post.

If you upvote this comment you didn't get it.

This comment shouldn't have been written.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn-f8PgLVjU
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@virtualgrowth ·
I see points on both sides of the Whaleshares from @fyrstikeken & @officialfuzzy point of view which I think them and many others see and understand.  Have been partially refraining from comment being a major supporter of both of their places in the community evident by their logos being shown and links to be both fun places to chat in their own respect.

Best wish we may all over forward with proper precaution that is being brought up by many in our wonderful community.  Will be taking part in the whaleshares while also looking forward to precautions being thought about and being considered.  Which I would like to say I have seen some communication towards these concerns within the whaleshares team effort.

# Best,
http://www.onlinesignature.in/animateText/text785697588.gif
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@virtualgrowth ·
## Vote buying is of concern.
# Downvote buying may be of even more concern...
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@battleaxe ·
yup
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@adriansky · (edited)
Im with you all the way on this people need to work there way invest or become creative and give back to the community. This is why America is broke as fuck!
Also thanks for the support man!
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@coinhawk · (edited)
I am only 8 days in. I plan on being here a long time so I was looking into these to gain early traction. Yesterday morning I invested into one of these operations. Not the one being referenced on this post. Then later that night, I took some time and created a post that got noticed from everyone, including you. (Which I thank you for) It made me regret the Steem I gave away earlier in the day. Yeah, it might help a little, but the lightbulb turned on. Creating really engaging and high quality content is the key. I finally got my first taste of that and I know what it takes going forward....just a few hours too late.
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@steemitboard ·
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@malem ·
an upvote fr me @fyrstikken (y)
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@devaki ·
I totally agree with you and i think us minnows should swallow up some of these  whales
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@ubg ·
$2.51
Great insight on whaleshares. I would however assume, that any project built ontop of the steem blockchain would be beneficial for steem and if the project owners manage to profit off of that, then it shows that the project is successful.
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@cm-steem ·
$0.07
I think whaleshares is ok because it could potentially increase the value of steem power, plus I don't believe I have the authority over what people vote on (fair enough flagging bad quality posts/comments).

Is it not similar to promoting your post except instead of the currency going to the null account it goes to the whaleshares account?

Do you have the same concerns regarding curation groups/trails? https://streemian.com/profile/curationtrail
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@crypto-investor ·
Keep flagging it, I totally agree.  Steemit needs to be a legit platform.  I tell my viewers I will upvote their posts... but if they just post "thank you" every single time, I'm not upvoting that.  They have to contribute.

There is zero reason people can't contribute when they post... blogging is not difficult people, just post quality content.  Blogging is not a get rich quick scheme.
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@sirknight ·
Thank you so much @fyrstikken.

As soon as I saw the 'Whaleshare' secret invite, I knew it was anti-competitive and collusive behavior - the same as what is going on with the elites in the real world.

Part of the Steemit appeal is that it purports to be a fair and competitive platform where posters can make a bit of money for good content.  If Steemit fails to live up to this - posters will simply leave and Steem will be worthless *(as you say).*

I am happy to read that I was not the only person with concerns about 'Whaleshares'.

Regards,

SirKnight.
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@yonny ·
Hey fyrstikitten, now that I've watched the video I would have to agree with you. I hope a solution will be implemented a soon as possible.
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@magick323 ·
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Much appreciated!
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@harleymechanix ·
@fyrstikken thanks for pointing this out.  I still consider my self relatively new to Steemit (3 months) and still feeling my way around.  I have seen these posts and the like a lot in my feed.  I agree, good content should stand on its own merit.  Thanks for regularly upvoting my random ramblings.  (I notice)  And thanks for looking out for the little guys.  Upvoted, and Resteemed.
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@playfulfoodie ·
I understand them now! I can't believe people actually think this is a good idea. It just gives more reasons for upvoting random content, instead of good quality content.
So now trending can be filled with crap, just because some people bought their votes and whales can't be bothered to check for good content?

This won't be good for Steemit's overall quality at all...
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@business ·
You called?
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@nezaigor ·
Thank you.
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@pipurilla ·
Thank you for this warning post! As newbie, my goal is to post quality, what I try to do. So I can see people enjoying my work with the side-effect of a making a little money. That's why I love this place.
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@wnh518518 ·
Thank you very much for your support!
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@rickvisser · (edited)
I resteemed this. Great post mate.
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@cryptodan ·
Thank you for bringing this to light @fyrstikken, I'm not a fan of vote buying either, and it's great to have a debate about these things. I'm a new guy here, but from what little I know about life and Steemit, nothing good ever happens by beating each other with a stick, in this case the downvoting. Please work it out guys and lets build something great together :)
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@ianlim ·
Thanks your comments..
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@dek ·
$0.04
Nicely said, @fyrstikken. There will always be people wanting to abuse the system, it's human nature. Let's hope such users are less than the others users, who are trying to have good content posted here.
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@darthnava ·
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Yeah, and they are not giving tokens...make you work for them! As IF MAKING GOOD POSTS ISN'T HARD ENOUGH.
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@reduen ·
@fyrstikken In the spirit of this post I am trying to learn how to become a better blogger. Can you check my latest out and give me some feedback on it? I sure would appreciate it my man! https://steemit.com/life/@reduen/keeping-and-raising-chickens-step-1
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You have been mentionned in my hit-parade of 2017.06.03
Congratulations @fyrstikken!
Your post was mentioned in my [hit parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20170603) in the following categories:

* Upvotes - Ranked 2 with 570 upvotes
* Comments - Ranked 1 with 223 comments
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@mother98 ·
I'm new to Steemit and was following you from last 2 days. And I must say your post are good. Learning many things and still many are to be left.
Upvoted many of your post. If you resteem any of my post I would be thankful cause it will help me grow. :) Do visit my blog
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@irreverent-dan ·
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Thank you for posting this @frystikken! After hearing about whaleshares, I myself tagged 2 of my posts with "the50" because I thought that I can receive more exposure. I got 20-25 upvotes on each of the posts but nobody cared to open and read them. These are empty, fake upvotes, which I don't need. I came to steemit to express my creativity, to discuss interesting topics and connect with other like-minded people. Whaleshares has nothing to do with this at the moment. I believe that with persistence (and a little bit of luck) I will be able to develop my blog, connect with such people, and maybe make some money.
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@acromott ·
Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
I am all about putting in the hard work.

People selling up votes are going to give us so much crap on the front page...
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@rocksg ·
This system will hurt quality content creators.
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@mommyherzen ·
Nice post.
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@resteemable ·
#resteemed by @resteemable
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@kmaxkmax ·
I agree with most of the points you made
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@lautenglye ·
nice....your post deserve my upvote and resteem....
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@bitcoinman ·
Keep 3rd parties out! , great post and thanks for all the upvote love :)
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@pocketechange ·
Thanks for the Upvote on my Tesla Commercial Idea...
By the way, my father was born in Norway...
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@abcdoctor ·
$1.69
Just wanted to thank you @fyrstikken for being the match to help kindle so many of us newbies. Your support is a great encouragement! :)
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@fyrstikken ·
It is my pleasure @abcdoctor. It has been very spiritually rewarding to watch the userbase and activity grow in here, and I canΒ΄t wait for all the new good stuff that will come to steem in the near future. Welcome to the Steem-Network :)
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@abcdoctor ·
$1.69
Thank you Sir :)
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@addison513 ·
Brand new here, but I feel this is defeating what I thought Steem stood for :/ Always a shame when things get political and greed drives decisions. Followed. I'm going to be blogging about topics such as this.. so feel free to follow back man
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@tu-mon-amie ·
Thank you for this post, sir. This is very helpful for newcomers like myself.
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@puffin ·
Also for me it seems like a fishy temporary "powering up" 

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@lasseehlers ·
$0.13
I removed the flags on @battleaxe's annonymous blog from yesterday, that my bot made.

And I deleted the Discord app from my devices, as I am tired of the place, that mostly is statism bullying to me.

I think it is good you created SteemSpeak and all, but I find the place toxic for myself... so anyway good luck with the place in the future.

Lasse
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@fyrstikken ·
you need to stop being so rude to everyone for no reason. Do to others what you want others to do to you.
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@lasseehlers · (edited)
$0.13
I do not agree that I have been rude to anybody. I have tried to defend myself from bullying, that's all.. it is called self defense according to the NAP.

Good luck in the future! Bye!
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@alexrickard86 ·
I fully agree with what your saying, this is a business idea wrapped in a clever marketing campaign.
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@joha09sohi ·
excelente publicaciΓ³n me gusta mucho felicidades
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@someonewhoisme ·
@fyrstikken  If you are against whaleshares then you should also be against community tokens, this feature will make these scam token scheme a LOT easier to create.
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@mcdevlin182 ·
I agree that great content should be rewarded! 
I also don't want to see content faked to the top.  Don't buy the votes!
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@bart2305 ·
Maybe Steemit is not so great after all. Just a system for the big boys to squeeze some money out of it and leave. Soon it might be even worse than FB if we are not careful!
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@flurgx ·
Haha I like that southpark animation style haven't seen cartman for ages
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@hafray · (edited)
Seems like a meme war in the comment section
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@gangster.inc00 ·
Crony capitalism at its finest.  Bad idea !!
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@david777111 ·
Thanks for the information.  I hope they fix this.
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@nesstopher ·
Agreed! I just joined but yeah its seeming like steemit will get lame because of how people act on here n game the system like you say. I don't think the bests posts will ever be trending unless that user has mad steem vested in the end all people care about is money. I thought it was the new revolution but now im having second thoughts because all these brown nosers
https://image.ibb.co/mrLxXa/Ass_Kissing_Monkey213.jpg
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@tonyr ·
$9.57
Cheers @fyrstikken. Just came across whaleshares and found your video so am very glad to see someone laying it out very simply. Thanks for trying to keep this place honest! It is surely a difficult task!

Hope your day is going well!
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@fyrstikken ·
It is going great :)
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@tonyr ·
$14.77
Thank you so much @fyrstikken for upvoting my comment. It is very much appreciated however I am very new here and not exactly the most up to date in terms of how the whole thing works but on intitial impressions I am uncomfortable with some of the things that are going on and I feel that there are a few at the top with all of the power just as in the real world.  This troubles me. I don't know much about you other than what you have written in this post and speaking in your video but clearly you seem to have a bit of influence around here and whilst I appreciate that you may be using that power for good, the fact that you have this power is still an issue for me. I know that I am just a 'minnow' in this place but I feel that if I decide to become a member of a community such as steemit then I should have just as much say in how that community conducts itself as anyone else. I appreciate that some people have been here since the beginning which is why they have been able to gain so much power but the fact that they were here at the beginning gave them the opportunity to build their following before newer users and this should be reward enough I think. As far as those investing in the platfrom I understand that they do so to make a return on their investment but short term and long term investments require different stategies and a fairer, more equal voting and reward system to my mind would attract a steadier stream of new users and be a better long term strategy.

This comment is not given with the intention of recieving an upvote my friend , I am more concerned with the platform becoming a fair and level playing field for all and as a new member it is in my interest for steemit to grow also. 

Perhaps my expectations are too high with so much profit to be made but this platform could be something really special i feel as long as we are willing to fight for it because if we do not it will surely go the same way as all of the rest that came before.

I would love to know what your thoughts are.

Thanks again!
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@fyrstikken ·
Just a pleasure. Come join us on Discord 24/7 at http://steemspeak.com I spend at least 17 hours a day there. Sounds like we could talk for hours :D
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@mridu87 ·
Thanks for the video. I don't know much about Whalshares  and  needs to do some research on this topic, but from your video , it seems like a bad idea. People should stop looking for shortcuts. I agree with you that if someone creates or curates interesting  content ,  network well with people and engage 
with the community, over time, you will get recognition and your posts will get upvotes. Just don't except to happen overnight.
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@centauri-alfa ·
Upvoted!
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@samsuel ·
You are able to be healthy and always successful in developing his business.
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