Rapper BoB's Epic Fundraising Fail in the Name of Flat Earth 'Science' by kerriknox

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Rapper BoB's Epic Fundraising Fail in the Name of Flat Earth 'Science'
I've been writing a lot lately about the meteoric rise in numbers of flat earthers in my Flat Earth debunked series. As of writing, there are many Facebook groups with as many as 100,000 members, and many of the YouTube videos being used as 'proofs' of a flat earth have hundreds of thousands of views. 

![rapper b-o-b.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmeJ6w9yT4Xn3cRWyJu1niAkKSd26GKdYpC2wDvDTQ6xzN/rapper%20b-o-b.jpg)
Image Credit: [Wikimedia Commons](https://commons.wikimedia.org)

Rapper B.o.B.  outed himself as a flat earther, and recently started a GoFund Me campaign to raise a cool $1 million to send a satellite into space to prove that the earth is flat! This was right on top of a D. Marble stunt where he took a level on a plane to 'prove' the plane flies level. We'll discuss that issue in another article about why the test was destined to have the exact outcome it did regardless of whether we are on a plane or a sphere, but for now, back to Rapper B.o.B. 

Why Doesn't He Just Look at NASA Photos?
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Well, flat earthers believe in the world's largest and longest conspiracy in the history of the world. They believe that every space agency, every government, every airline pilot, every satellite manufacturer, every shipping company, every maker of globes, every teacher, every scienitist, and every other private or government company that has anything to do with navigation, satellites,space, etc. are all in on a conspiracy to hide the TRUE shape of the earth from them for some nefarious purpose they can only speculate about. 

Therefore, NASA and ISS photos are out as evidence of a sphere earth, as is the [Live Feed from the HImawari Satellite](https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/) and even the [Raw Open Source Data from the Copernicus Satellite](https://scihub.copernicus.eu/). So, they have decided that they have to see it themselves to believe it, and what better way to find out than to send a satellite into space and prove once and for all whether the earth is flat or not. 

Flat Earthers Committed to the Cause
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After B.o.B.'s announcement, dozens of major news media ran the story, announcing his campaign: 

 - [Time Magazine](http://time.com/4956840/bob-rapper-flat-earth-gofundme/)
 -  [CNN](http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/25/us/b-o-b-flat-earth-gofundme-trnd/index.html)
 - [Salon](https://www.salon.com/2017/09/25/b-o-b-flat-earth/)
 - [Huffington Post](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rapper-bob-flat-earth-go-fund-me_us_59c92ee0e4b06ddf45fa0bed)
 
It was shared on all over Facebook and Twitter, and flat earthers have answered the call to find out the truth! In 5 days, he raised a grand total of $2626. Yes, you read that right, flat earthers are so incredibly dedicated to finding TRUTH and adding to our scientific understanding with "Real Science", and not the fake science that created computers, the electric grid,  skyscrapers, and brain surgery, that the hundreds of thousands of flat earth believers across the globe (pun intended) rallied together in vast numbers to support finding out the truth. 


![rapper_b.o.b._fundraiser.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmUnZSrYThjxjQy8FucUVeCR2qTN7Z9mHscZsetQhvWwRF/rapper_b.o.b._fundraiser.png)
Image credit: [GoFundMe](https://www.gofundme.com/showBoBthecurve)


Even with all that media coverage, even with B.o.B.'s celebrity status, even with this campaign being in the name of true observable, repeatable, measurable, and falsifiable science that flat earther claim to clamor for, they managed to raise a grand total that would barely even get B.o.B. a transatlantic coach class flight! Now, that is dedication to the scientific method! In comparison, a card game called [Exploding Kittens](https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/235313) raised almost $9 million! Yes, flat earthers are obviously dedicated to scientific inquiry and want to find out the truth. 


Someone Doesn't Know How to Bargain Shop
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Now, on top of that terrible fundraising effort,  the fact that B.o.B is asking for a cool $1 million just shows how utterly out of touch with scientific inquiry he is, and what a TERRIBLE bargain shopper he is. 

Flat earthers seem to think that they are the first people ever in the world to think about the nature of the universe and our earth, and as such, they must think no one has ever sent a satellite into space before (they actually do think that, as I point out in my [5 Insane Things Flat Earthers Believe] (https://steemit.com/science/@kerriknox/5-insane-things-flat-earthers-believe-besides-just-believing-in-a-flat-earth) article), and so they must be under the impression that they need to hire a designer and an engineer to create everything for a satellite from scratch. 


![Satellite_Communication_Scetch.svg.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmdYSxuN1SLJnJa2uZTxTTyC1HCRcdwzx8AyGds8KKLxBf/Satellite_Communication_Scetch.svg.png)
Image credit: [Wikimedia Commons](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Satellite_Communication_Scetch.svg)


But nothing could be further from the truth. Creating and launching satellites is big business. And just like many other high tech businesses, technology often start out with expensive products designed for specific applications in companies or government with millions or billions to spend, then it will gradually get less and less expensive until it becomes affordable for smaller businesses, groups, or even just the average person. 

Well, we are quite far along in that common progression, and a company called TubeSat now offers [Personal Satellites](https://www.wired.com/2010/07/tubesat-personal-satellite/) for the low low price of $8000, and that includes the launch! Someone should teach B.o.B. how to bargain shop, because his estimates are off by an order of magnitude. 

Why This Campaign is So Idiotic
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But this campaign is idiotic to start with. No, there is nothing wrong with personal inquiry, however, sending a satellite up, even to the approximately 200 miles up in orbit that TubeSat now promises, is probably not going to convince a flat earther of anything they are not already convinced of. 

This is because, while 200 miles SEEMS really high, and most people would believe you should be able to see the whole earth from that, that is just not the case. In my article,  [If the Earth is a Sphere, Why Does it Seem So Flat?](https://steemit.com/science/@kerriknox/if-the-earth-is-a-sphere-why-does-it-look-so-flat), I explain how unimaginably large the earth is, and how a high altitude balloon at 19 miles really will hardly show any curvature at all. 

In fact, a group of flat earthers called the [GlobeBusters](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv4Hwk17F8Y) already sent up a high altitude balloon to around 19 miles about (100,000 feet) and it showed exactly the amount of curvature you'd expect to see at that altitude, which is not very much, but still measurable. You can only really see the curvature when you see it in comparison to when there is no apparent curvature, as I show you in the GIF below. 


![Curvature of the earth gif.gif](https://steemitimages.com/DQma1x27L8Z71s85tShSyyA3w47e8kCD4C5jKZ9mKoWXbrS/Curvature%20of%20the%20earth%20gif.gif)
[IMAGE CREDIT: Finding the Curvature of the Earth](http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat-Earth:%20Finding%20the%20curvature%20of%20the%20Earth)

While the curvature was certainly there in their own video, just like it is in the image above, they 'eyeballed' it instead of measuring it with a straight edge or one of the thousands of computer programs out there designed to measure just such things, including this [Earth's Curvature Graph Overlay](http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat-Earth:%20Finding%20the%20curvature%20of%20the%20Earth#H_Superimpose_the_Grid_onto_Photos) and declared the earth is flat!  

Because of the immense size of the earth and the nature of the curvature, it will be easy for B.o.B. and his followers to do the same thing even with a satellite. That's because the curvature, even at 200 miles, which is the altitude the TubeSat goes, still just does not show that much curvature, as you can see below. 



![curvature_200_miles.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmdVVHWo5VbrPEr6rYWdpwd3zxQo6yhrMXMqrsFi1aGMJp/curvature_200_miles.png)
[IMAGE CREDIT: Finding the Curvature of the Earth](http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat-Earth:%20Finding%20the%20curvature%20of%20the%20Earth)

That amount of curvature is approximately what we see when we get satellite photos of earth, and is certainly measurable, and certainly enough to convince anyone rational that the curvature exists. However, it's just not dramatic enough to convince anyone who does not want to be convinced. And flat earthers are such that facts don't get in the way of their beliefs anyway.  

Again, 200 miles may seem REALLY high, but it's not on the scale of the size of the earth. Think about it, 200 miles is only about a 4 hour drive.  The distance as the crow flies from Los Angeles to Las Vegas. It's a tiny amount of the earth, a height at which you should not expect to see the entire earth. In fact, at that height, you can only see approximately 7% of the earth! 

Additionally, since flat earthers believe there is a giant impenetrable dome approximately 300-500 miles above the earth, even sending a satellite into orbit will be unlikely to convince them that a dome doesn't exist since the SatTube doesn't go that high, and they would make the case that it would only still have been 'orbiting' within the confines of their mythical dome. 


![snow_globe_dome.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmWE7fvbL4xiTrfhNGqc3Lg7uztbNHtfNHpKQ4g2pQpDxF/snow_globe_dome.png)
Image Credit: [Flickr](https://www.flickr.com/photos/29233640@N07/3373940125)

I wish B.o.B. good luck, and I hope that he launches these satellites and shows the images publicly, regardless of what they show, because I'm confident they will show the exact curvature of the earth that would be shown with the calculator we provided. 

Perhaps some flat earthers will be convinced as to the true nature of the shape of the earth, but I suspect any curvature will be ignored or explained away, or B.o.B. will just get accused of being a shill that infiltrated their ranks in order to discredit them, and that his images are fake too!  That seems to be the logic of most flat earthers. If it were not, well, they simply wouldn't be flat earthers.  However, with the zeal at which flat earthers are donating to the cause of finding out the truth, I don't suspect we'll have to worry about B.o.B. disproving the globe model once and for all anytime soon. 

Thanks for reading. I hope you enjoyed this article and will upvote, resteem, and comment, in order to support rational articles that debunk this crazy flat earth phenomenon that is on the rise. 


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@theenigma ·
The earth may well be flat. Everything we've been taught in freemason government indoctrination camps (schools) is a lie.
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@kerriknox ·
Only if you  are unable to use critical thinking skills. Yes, we were told a lot of lies, that was not one of them. There are literally not only mountains of evidence to prove otherwise, but you can see it for yourself if you are actually looking for truth, and have not turned flat earth into a religion as yet.
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@jacobtothe ·
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Governments lie, but that does not mean everything ever said by any government agency, bureaucrat, or employee is a lie. Remember that the best lies aren't utter falsehoods, but rather slight deviations from the truth or fallacious distortions of reality.

There is ample verifiable evidence that the Earth is a massive sphere, and there are many ways this can be tested and demonstrated. Every flat earth argument I have seen is either a misinterpretation of data or outright bad testing methodology.
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@erikdenoorman · (edited)
@theenigma I think it's a bit harsh to say that everything that's being taught is a lie, a lot of good stuff comes from schools. Sadly a lot of bad too though.

@jacobtothe
**question 1** 
I find it so extremely strange that there are not any epic pictures of earth from space, how can this be? // *Shouldn't we have gotten to putting some good cameras out there?*
**question 2**
Why did we never go back to the moon, it's been over 50 years
**question 3**
Why is it forbidden to go to Antarctica?
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@kerriknox · (edited)
Just pointing out that not one of your 3 questions has ANYTHING to do with the shape of the earth.  Does that not strike you as illogical and bizarre when his CLAIM was that there are mountains of evidence that the earth is a sphere and you seem to be trying to refute his claim?  Just saying. 

1. That you deny EVERY ONE Of the millions of images is weird. EVen in the article, I show you that you can see the live raw data of the Hinawari, and access the Copernicus raw satellite data. There are even on line tutorials to teach you how to access and use the Copernicus data. It's MUCH MUCH too large, accurate, and much too copious an amount of information to be faked. Perhaps you can simply use some of the data yourself and check it against known events as others have done with their cloud cover and the times and dates of storms. You do realize that, even if you reject EVERY image from NASA, they are not the only space agency in the world, right? Your rejection of this evidence is not evidence of the absence of evidence. 

2. I don't know. I believe they state it many times. I assume you simply do not believe them. That is fine. But what does that have to do with the shape of the earth? Please be specific. 

3. It's not. I've even written an article on this. That you THINK it is, is simply  due to your lack of ability to fact check and use logical thinking skills; the main intellectual maladies that causes flat earthers to BE a flat earther.  But again, what would that have to do with the shape of the earth? Did you charter a plane or take a boat to Antarctica and have film of you being shot at? If not, then what makes you believe that you COULD NOT do that if you wished?  Please read my article below before answering. And please be specific about your claim and support your claims with verifiable evidence. 


![I Sailed to Antarctica to find the Ice rim.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmPg4Rv6LuXQUUb94L3jXBpKexKw3cqutwEP4GapH3K9Ew/I%20Sailed%20to%20Antarctica%20to%20find%20the%20Ice%20rim.jpg)

In summary, in this article discussing the shape of the earth, you asked 3 questions having nothing to do with the shape of the earth in order to try to prove the shape of the earth!  Does that not strike you as completely illogical? 


https://steemit.com/flatearth/@kerriknox/debunking-the-antarctic-treaty-part-2-of-4-the-flat-earth-antarctica-conspiracy
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@heathcarmody ·
Rapper B.O.B. has actually been a flat Earther for years and his last 2 (or 3 now?) albums have been based around the globe deception and other conspiracies. He didn't come out recently as your article suggests. Also he wasn't the one who took the spirit level on the plane and made a big deal about it. That was a YouTuber by the name of D. Marble, I believe. I can see how you made the mistake because they are both, um, flat Earthers.
This gofundme started out as $200k and must have just been changed in the last day or so. Anyway I tend to agree with you that this is a ridiculous thing for anyone to throw their money at. A million dollars could do some really indisputable tests right here on Earth with no space interests involved.
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@kerriknox ·
I'll change the D. Marble reference and change the 'recently'. Thank you for the corrections.
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@mobbs ·
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@kerriknox ·
Hey thanks. I didn't even put the SteemStem tag on this one because I thought it was a bit too 'fluffy'. So thanks!
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@mobbs ·
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True, but I'm already familiar with you now and was too lazy to check if you'd used the tag before =P Just making sure. Turns out you're even in the group so whatever lol
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@thermoplastic ·
It puzzles me to no end that this sort of stupidity persists in this day and age!
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@originalpolaki ·
Time for somebody to call Kyrie Irving and give him a heads up!
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@jasonb777 ·
NASA has been using deception as a tool to indoctrinate the masses since it was created.  I don’t know how far the deception goes.  I certainly don’t know for a fact that the earth is flat.  However, when you look for proof of a ball earth you uncover deception after deception.  Anything the government pushes us to blindly believe should be viewed with scrutiny.  Don’t be so quick to take their side.
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@kerriknox ·
There are dozens of ways you can prove for yourself the earth is not flat and that supports a spinning ball. Take an astronomy class, for one. And read several of my posts, such as this one about the size of the sun. Since the sun does  not change size, that simply eliminates the possibility of a flat earth entirely, and is consistent with an earth that has a sun that is so incredibly far away that there is no 'parallax' even when people are 6500 miles apart. 

There are dozens of other things you can test for yourself that will support a spinning ball. An astronomy course is an excellent place to start. 

https://steemit.com/science/@kerriknox/use-this-simple-camera-accessory-to-defeat-the-whole-flat-earth-argument
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@mikeg85 ·
I love learning new things,i also know 3 Flat Earthers and i learn a lot,Thanks for the information
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@theenigma ·
Very condescending post which shows your bias on the matter. Remember many heretics throughout history have been proven correct!
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@kerriknox ·
Yet you provide no EVIDENCE that I have bias, or that he's correct. I provided EVIDENCE why he's wrong and even why he is so ignorant about his topic that he's asking for hundreds of times more money than he needs, and why it will still not be likely to change his mind. 

You are simply using the logical fallacy of appeal to tradition.  It is ridiculous to think that we should take ALL wild claims seriously because OCCASIONALLY some wild claims are proven to be true. 

And, in fact, his wild claims have been DISPROVEN for a thousand years. 

You get this one warning. Stay on topic. No logical fallacies. Support your claims with evidence. 

If you continue this convo, and you do not follow these requests, you'll be downvoted.
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@mrpapuga ·
People who believe in flat earth are just bored in life and are looking for some entertainment. Believing in some kind of earth's biggest conspiracy is fascinating indeed and as they think that they are the chosen ones, that can solve it and show the world the truth, they are getting obsessed with it.
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