http://www.livescience.com/images/i/000/067/433/original/psychedelic-smoke-110929.jpg?1403267649 <a href="http://www.livescience.com/images/i/000/067/433/original/psychedelic-smoke-110929.jpg?1403267649"><sub>source: livescience.com</sub></a> <br> <p>What most people call <em>Spiritual Drugs</em> is nothing more than metaphysical woohoo nonsense experience. In other words, blind belief in the "unlocking" of..."something", supposedly "greater" than us. Nonetheless, like Christopher Hitchen's eloquently put it "What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence".</p> <p>Life sucks. For the most part is pain and struggle. This is after all why so many people find themselves desperately chasing delusive concepts such as "happiness". Since the dawn of our evolutionary timeline, human always tried to escape the reality of life by doing physiological "hacks". We turned into hallucinogenic drugs because it was one of the simplest ways to get away from the mundane in a time we knew nothing about how our brains or bodies work.</p> <p>The way these drugs work is rather simple. In order to function, our brain integrates different signals (such as glutamate and serotonin). What hallucinogens more or less do, is to disrupt these processes so that normal sensory perception is altered by them. This is how the experience turns out to be "different" and "without words".</p> <p><div class="pull-left"> <img src="https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/74507000/jpg/_74507967_ceremony.jpg"> <center><a href="https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/74507000/jpg/_74507967_ceremony.jpg "><sub>source: bbc.co.uk</sub></a></center></div></p> <p>In other words, the experience is similar to some visual illusions when poisoned, getting hit on the head and feeling dizzy or having a fever and seeing all sorts of....things. People believe in the "supernatural" part of these drugs because they are buying into the cult delusion of trying to find an easy way out from their daily problems.</p> <p>A good example of these drugs are LSD and Ayahuasca. Thing is, the public seems to be immune to the dangers since almost always there is some kind of conspiracy theory linking them to the "real" reason they are banned. Ayahuasca is a tea, containing the psychedelic drug DMT. It almost always induces profuse vomiting, discomfort and other physical effects before the start of the hallucinogenic experience. It is believed that it brings personal enlightenment by confronting the user with their darkest fears.</p> <p><div class="pull-right"> <img src="https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/85/c3/3e/85c33e0a3d53bce013c4e1e128ec049a--spiritual-gangster-gangsters.jpg"> <center><a href="https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/85/c3/3e/85c33e0a3d53bce013c4e1e128ec049a--spiritual-gangster-gangsters.jpg "><sub>source: bbc.co.uk</sub></a></center></div></p> <p>I am not going to argue about the dangers of these drugs even if many people have died in the process of taking them. I have tried both DMT and LSD and you just have to be careful. They can be fun but they can also give you a pretty fucked up trip. It is a gamble really. </p> <p>I this post I am only tackling their "spiritual claims". The fact that these drugs use as a post-hoc narrative after someone is on a "personal quest" should make everyone skeptical. It is much like the fortune teller, making bank on self-fulfilling prophecies. "You will meat a tall blond girl with blue eyes" she says looking through her bullshit cards. The gullible individual hat lacks confidence follows up on her assumption and starts tall blond girls with blue eyes. Eventually he lands one and the fortune teller becomes "the real deal". </p> <p>Drugs like Ayahuasca work much the same way. People describe their experiences based on what other people have said. After taking the drug they claim that their problems magically disappeared based on the same process that others have described. Similarly, when we watch TV right before we go to bed, we might have parts of the show pop-up in our dream story. The brain is not such an awesome tool. It mostly reshuffles things around.</p> <p>There no proof, of "spiritual" realms, "astral" or whatever people like to call their experience other than hearsay from the people who make the claims. Truth is not a democracy. Simply, people seem to turn more and more gullible when numbers in support of something increase. <p>Individuals that gather up around spiritual drug-cults are usually buying into two false narratives. The first one is a classic. It revolves around the idea that if something is "old" or better "ancient" it must be good. The belief comes mostly from westerners that are fed up with the modern world — that rightfully seems to be more and more superficial and fake. But even though the modern world does revolve around fake ideas, so does the ancient one and in a much greater magnitude. We have VR and alcohol, they have plant piss that can mess with some of our brain's receptors. </p> <p><div class="pull-left"> <img src="http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/29/16/2CE6A06C00000578-3253274-image-a-107_1443540419370.jpg"> <center><a href="http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/29/16/2CE6A06C00000578-3253274-image-a-107_1443540419370.jpg "><sub>source: dailymail.co.uk</sub></a></center></div></p> <p>There is no grand conspiracy about spiritual drugs either. No one is trying to "hide" the keys for unlocking the doors of the 12th Dimension. These things are illegal because at some point some people saw the side effects they had, got scared and so they pushed through democratic means their ban. Governments found out that they could profit and so they reinforced campaigns, pushing other substances as a replacement — such as cigarettes and alcohol. The war on Drugs is a joke but so is the spiritual path towards them. </p> <center>http://iphonescreenrepairtampa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/fancyline600png1.png</center> <br> <p>I am very vigilant when it comes to public education and information that arrives on our laps. I am also equally skeptical of claims that are made from completely uneducated individuals that push "alternative" ideas because they were too lazy to study or even research themselves. I have seen Ayahuasca being pushed by one of the most popular personas here on Steemit, following his own personal path towards "enlightenment". I wrote this so people will think twice before taking these kind of drugs. Bullshit is ok. Dangerous bullshit is not.</p> <br> <br> <br> <br> <center><a href="https://steemit.com/@kyriacos"><img src="http://i64.tinypic.com/j7spk2.png"></a></center> <br>
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very interesting! enjoyed reading this post bro, thanks for sharing
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There's a very simple thing that needs to be recognized: drugs are just that, drugs. They interact with our physiology. They affect our brain in a variety of ways. And we need to be informed of those ways properly before "experimenting" with any. They don't unlock any mystical understanding of the world, because everything that happens while on drugs is still subjective experience. I'm all for people taking whichever drug they wish to take, but they need to stop peddling bullshit pseudoscience. Thank you for writing this. (And the Hitch quote was well-chosen) I believe Sam Harris is someone with valuable insight into this. He is very open to them and ways in which a variety of drugs can affect or enhance our cognition, without falling into pseudoscience and mysticism.
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well said.
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> They don't unlock any mystical understanding of the world, because everything that happens while on drugs is still subjective experience. Is that not an assumption? Give me a definitive answer to what consciousness is and I'll give your words credence. Until then, your guess is as good as anyone else. There needn't be anything other than a single subject for there to be an experience of "reality", just give it a mind with an imagination and, all of a sudden, "objects" can spring up. Don't believe me? Look no further than your dreams. Imagined objects in a dream are good enough to pass as real, separate, unconnected objects while dreaming. When we wake up, it becomes obvious that it was all imagined -- the whole world in the dream was our own mind. A whole universe inside of a subject's mind! In other words, perhaps all you need to understand the nature of the universe (reality) is to understand yourself. Or perhaps not. It may be an assumption with bodies of evidence to support it, but an assumption nonetheless.
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Radical relativism gets you nowhere. Ultimately, EVERYTHING is an "assumption" or "guess". That's how it works. We never have ALL the information, and even if we did, we would have to question our perception of it. We go with the most reasonable one that has the best evidence supporting it and discard the others. so I am going to discard unfounded claims about the mystical nature of experiences created by drugs. Is there a possibility I am wrong? Yes. There always is. And it's a tiny enough chance to declare anyone believing in that mysticism to be utterly confused just as I would declare anyone believing in homeopathy to be utterly confused.
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I agree with every word. Life is extremely difficult and as a species we do need to cling to fantasy a lot of the time for support. Thank you for sharing this, it was really interesting.
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glad you enjoyed it
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Agreed leading people to, or promoting fake shit is up to the person, but when its dangerous and ot needs to be stopped. Some people don't know better.
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Yeap, this is why I was inclined to write it. Some people don't seem to know any better and just follow the crap.
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Welcome the worlds best community !!!! From now on you are on the green path to implement your kindness to everyone, hope you include the lucky people here. Do not hesitate to share interesting and useful things. Good luck!!! Greetings from me ** @abdelilahelkati **
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Spam is discouraged by the community, including **comment spam.** Repeated comment spamming may result in action from the [cheetah bot](https://steemit.com/steemitabuse/@cheetah/cheetah-bot-explained). Thank You! ⚜
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Those are a mixture of real neuro-stimulator with psychology suggestions, that's how things get so mentally "powerful". Indeed, everything is about the lethal dose 50, understand what is dangerous and what is not at what dose is really important. Just like the "mercury" in vaccine won't kill you, but the virus you fail to prevent will, simple math of dosage.
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many people seem to miss that.
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Thanks for share...
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Good post, I have done DMT and I still think about that trip I was in South America when I did it and it was something I cant explain but since you have done it you know what I mean. I was in a space that seemed as real as the space I am here, typing to you! but after 10 minutes I snapped out of it. As far as spiritual I didn't get anything like that. I had the same problems! It was just a fun little trip and I consider myself lucky it went well! Thanks for sharing and posting awareness.
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Yeap, it heavily depends on mood, health, pre-conceptions and a bunch of other things. Nonetheless, nothing is really "special". just a trip.
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Well said. 🌞
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it was a dimension with demons in it. mystery solved.
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Brain washed people want anyway to escape the prison their mind trap in
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there is always something to take our minds away I guess.
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bye
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Tell that to the doctors...I think they have their place and can do good for people, even things like LSD, but it must be used with care, education and discipline.
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bye morons
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you could claim even water is a drug. what you say makes no sense. food is a drug, air can be as well.
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Great and informative post I think all those things that can mess up and can change your concious should be banned
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I don't think banning is really necessary. I mean, a girlfriend can change your conscious in a pretty awkward way so.... :)
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Should we ban thoughts and emotions too, then? Your consciousness is ceaselessly changing from the moment you're born until you die.
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Very interesting post mister, and i can relate to that, i had an experience where i ve been the refuge of a realistic horror movie, i can't describe the overall anxiety and fear that almost killed me, i ve been telling my story for weeks and then the thing is i could remember and recite every detail in chronological order that what maid people ears open to me. It's weird though that it was nt real and had hard time precieving that, untill my brain got tired and had to get treatment in hospital The drug u mentioned i believed that my brain has generated something similar to that With a strong effect, still remember the faces and conversations i had on that train although i caused a panic attack to all the passengers lol Thnks for this post bro it really triggered something old in me @kyriacos
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wow. i am sorry to hear you had to go through this man. indeed drugs like this offer a similar trip.
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Thnks man, i am all good now thnk god, i would like to hear more from you, i too have so much to share... Untill i have enough followers, and friends, thnks for the support bro,https://steemit.com/sorrow/@racemlaadhar/the-station-girl-trilogy-the-last-script Read my story coz your opinion matters
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There are definitely heaps of people flocking to the Amazon or local 'shaman' in search of something to fill their emptiness or because they believe medicines , like ayahuasca, will provide spiritual enlightenment. Some may wear their experience like a badge of honor, the simple fact of taking ayahuasca may make them feel as if they are on a higher spiritual level. However, before we completely dismiss Ayahuasca and LSD, why not incorporate these substances into research and attempt to discern their true potential as medicines? Ayahuasca, in particular, has the potential to be a powerful tool in treating severe forms of depression, drug addiction and PTSD. So far, the evidence is mostly subjective but their are some in the medical profession that believe in its potential to heal people who have experienced trauma. I'm thinking of the work by Dr. Gabor Mate especially. LSD, psilocybin and mdma in prescribed doses or micro-doses may also be beneficial. What are your thoughts on this?
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Excellent. Many hallucinogenic drugs have worked for depressed people. These drugs today are very useful in therapies. Good answer.
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>Ayahuasca, in particular, has the potential to be a powerful tool in treating severe forms of depression, drug addiction and PTSD Not more powerful than getting a pet or making some good friends. Medication starts being medication when it surpasses the placebo threshold which is around 33%. Unfortunately, no research on LSD can demonstrated anything beyond that. I have to point out here that research on the subject is limited due to bias in regards to these drugs. Nonetheless, nothing of significance has be shown. Another interesting part is that modern medication for depression are not any better and might cause even more problems than simple drugs such as Ayahuasca.
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It's misleading to say that "nothing of significance" has been shown. There were more than 1,000 peer-reviewed clinical papers detailing the use of psychedelic compounds (administered to approximately 40,000 patients) published by the mid-1960s. LSD was seen to have a greater than 50% success rate in treating alcoholics in just a single-session: ![quote.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmPmnXRgWL661pF6t7Tfz5gUguzxxBAUNxHNKnttcuLE6c/quote.jpg) Source: *Smart RG, Storm T (March 1964). "The Efficacy of LSD in the Treatment of Alcoholism" (PDF). Quarterly Journal of Studies on Alcohol. 25: 333.* In addition, there are studies ongoing today: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/health/lsd-reconsidered-for-therapy.html The founder of Alcoholics Anonymous, Bill Wilson said that, "I am certain that the LSD experiment has helped me very much. I find myself with a heightened color perception and an appreciation of beauty almost destroyed by my years of depression.” This is just one use of LSD. Maybe you will enjoy this TED Talk by a current research scientist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZIaTaNR3gk
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So agree. These substances are just "escape" drugs. Enlightenment comes from introspection from within to understand one self and to learn to respect and love oneself as one stands. That one is worthy of being love and that "imperfections" are ok. Can never find the solution from outside influences. Change within or nothing will ever change. Changing friends, surroundings, or taking substances, etc will not do the trick. You can't escape from you. "You" must be the focus of any change or understanding. It is the origin of everything. Without you, there is no reality.
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people search the easy way out on things. drugs provide this.
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I don't mean to be a grammar nazi, and although my mind can get creative, the use of the word meat needs editing to meet. Also, if you care to read a [post](https://steemit.com/life/@streetstyle/what-is-the-spirit-molecule-and-my-experience-with-it-dmt-n-n-dimethyltryptamine-and-near-death-experience) I did on similar subject a while back. It too old for votes, more for trading thoughts is all.
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yeah, a friend just pointed that out. i make quite a few of these . for example the other day i meant to say sheep and i said ship.
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What people should be aware of is how important is the state of mind. People take these drugs as they are superheroes and can handle them like cigarettes. Even marijuana is something to handle curely. If you are not in a peacefull and relaxed state of mind you should never take any drug. Reason why I didn't take Salvia Divinorum for the second time while in Amsterdam. A naive friend of mine did even tho I seemed a little scared and sad. It was the worst experience of his life. Anyway, I believe these drugs are shit. Many say they take it just to become "more consciousness". There are many other ways to become more consciousness and maybe the first step is considering to not take any drugs.
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well said
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In my opinion if you're dependent on drugs for having a spiritual experience isn't that by definition materialistic.
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That, or opportunistic. Many introspecting drug takers have the belief that it expedites the experience of enlightenment or satori, or, at the very least, gives a taste of what it's like so that they understand what it's all about and can form an opinion on whether it's worth their time to pursue or not.
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haha indeed :)
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I've done entheogens / sacred plants in the past - It's 100% about who you do it with, where, and why. What intention? I ended up having the most growth doing them alone up a mountain with a big meditative lifestyle at the time.. These are not to be done for for curiosity or fun, or to fit in, or as a short cut.
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You speak of having growth by using them, yet, that it's not a short-cut. So am I reading into it too much if I'm to conclude from what you said that it *amplifies* introspection to the point of having more profound insights versus regular ol' meditation? Otherwise, why would you use it for growth?
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Calling bs on a spectrum of reality altering drugs is a bit much? As no one claims they give you special powers, it gives you a higher conscience of yourself and expands your mind.
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Mhm. Anyone claiming that people claim spiritiual "bullshit" is just not understanding what these people are talking about. Through psychedelia, humans experience a deeper connection with themselves. You come out of the experience with a renewed sense of self. Ask anyone. I'd like to have some examples and evidence from @kyriacos about the type of spiritual bullshit he has heard. I can't really think of any. Seems like Kyriacos is creating 2 false illusions here. 1. Sober normal life is just boring old suffering - NOT the intense explainable unexperience of being alive. 2. Users of psychedelics tend to be new-age spiritual proselytizers. When really.. 1. Sober normal life is a mixture of anything you perceive, you do not need drugs to see the insane magic of the world. 2. Most psychedelia users I've met and hung out with do NOT have some weird idea of their spiritual path. They do the substances because it's interesting to experience. It is something different and new.
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A beautifully well written comment.
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> it gives you a higher conscience of yourself and expands your mind. I explain that is not "higher" or "lower" . just messes up with your perception much like alcohol does.
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I enjoy reading opinions on this matter, i do not agree with most of what you have said and believe you have a somewhat cynical attitude. But regardless, if you compare psychedelics to alcohol, you are most definitely not educated about the reactions that take place in a humans body on either a psychedelic substance or alcohol. There is no comparison, and even though i agree on few things conveyed in this article, i believe that statement has no merit. I invite you to look up the many studies that have been released recently detailing the profound psychiatric implications psychedelic substances carry, and to maybe re asses, at the very least that specific statement. This is obviously not a scientific paper you have wrote and carries alot of personal emotion within it, but that statement is simply not true. And also, there are political reasons that these substances are illegal, and remain illegal. It is not cocaine or heroin, and these substances procure a potential to enhance the sense and broaden the brains capacity for connectivity. If you feel that statement is simply not true, this has been proven in laboratory settings, in double blind studies. Have a wonderful day and thank you for the article! Much love http://www.maps.org/ i would love to debate this topic sometime, i like your point of view, even though i am in disagreement with much of it, it was a good read!
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Good post. Your choice on this drug topic is very good, you are right about the false information about hallucinogens, but you also have to remember that every head is a world and we all have different beliefs, however inconsistent they may be, we have to Respect them. It is important to tell the consequences that drugs cause!!
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Respect is earned though...not given..
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I agree with many points you made, but you also have a sort of absoluteness to your ideas that pertain to the mind, something we know very very very little about...
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Well..exactly. when we know very little I can be absolute. when we know more then I will re-evaluate. those who are absolute actually are those who put their life on the line to test them. the absolute gamble.
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"when we know very little I can be absolute." i dont know if you understand what you're saying
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I agree it is not something that comes easily you have to work at being happy but it possible without any extra rubbish. I am very happily married but it has been hard work it is something we all have to learn happiness is something that is earned.
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Wawww amazing
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An excellent post. If it contained nothing more than this quote: Hitchen's eloquently put it "What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence" I will be using this in all future religious arguements for the rest of time!! I thank you!
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Yeap, it can debunk half of humanity's crap.
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Except when you look hard enough, it turns out a lot of the bible is quite provable.
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**_Flying around with aliens_** ![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmSACLTFW2QydYwCWLB8r49x4K3yWj3w7BVrz7FT4PXinV/image.png)
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This nonsense I think is not good
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Great post but. Have you read Aldous Huxley essay about mezcaline and "truth"? i'd suggest you to read it and broad your views! Also the one who discovered LSD wrote A LOT of this component. Great post!
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Interesting! Upvoted
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Anything that occurs at a mass scale is bound to be missused, get corrupt etc. but on personal level they do have therapeutic effect which is sometimes all you need.
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I was a massage therapist for several years. It was always frustrating listening to therapists brag about doing reiki and energy work. No, you do not have magic powers.
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They kind of do, though. But the magic is done by this mysterious thing we call the *subconscious mind* and a little belief on the part of their clients. Call it a *placebo* if you like. Call it whatever makes you feel most comfortable with it. Some prefer "magic" because it has a Disney feel to it. I'd rather take advantage of the mental mechanism behind it than worry about the word used to describe it.
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lol. they don't seem to get it.
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The problem with sciencism... Person A: I had this experience.. Person B: "What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence". This is what this entire post is about. You cannot dismiss experience because of lack of evidence. And sciencism goes further in that, if scienceism can't explain it, then it was obviously not real. And you are obviously a crackpot, and don't know what you are talking about. So, instead of science learning from these experiences, sciencism ignores them and belittles them.
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I tend to agree. I think this hasn't been tested enough to even begin to assert that Person A's claims are or aren't valid. There may be a lack of evidence, but, as this point in time, it's only for lack of experiments on them. IMO, the most intellectually honest answer from the "scientific community" right now on this topic is "we don't have sufficient evidence either way (for or against)". We have plenty of anecdotal evidence that drugs can work great wonders for human psychology and just as many that it causes great harm. Maybe both are true and using these drugs requires following a specific procedure to receive the intended benefits. We may never have a definitive answer, especially since this deals with consciousness -- something that we'd like to believe we understand but don't know the first thing about.
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There are people who smoke pot to get high, and there are people who use cannabis to open their minds. That is basically the difference between those it helps and those it harms. Playing with your mind; going down the rabbit hole... but then you got to get back out. And if you haven't developed your brain muscle, then it is usually a losing battle. There are huge piles of similar experiences. Some consider that proof enough. But, since we are talking about personal experiences, it is not something that you can just give to someone who hasn't trod the path. I wish it was as easy as, "here, take this drug," because it really is more about the preparation than the drug.
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Wish i could whale up vote this so we can knock all those other comments out.
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We actually have evidence explaining the experience. In the same way you can google "visual illusions" and you get a few mind hacks. You cannot claim that the screen is magical because simply we have evidence that is your mind playing tricks on you.
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I understand where you are coming from. I have been there. I studied all of the science. However, you do not know where I am coming from. And there is no way for me to explain it to you. You cannot describe color to a blind person. So, when you start having these experiences, then you to will throw out all the works such as you have just written. It has happened before, it will happen again. And when you do, I hope there is someone there to help you while your entire sciencism world crumbles around you. Sorry, I do not want to be enigmatic, but you have to experience it for yourself. And the idea of it just being the mind playing tricks on you is laughable in face of the piles of shared experiences. There really, truly is more out there.
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If people spoke about their drug trips the same way they speak about dreams, I don't think anyone would care. It's only when fantasy becomes confused with objective reality that it becomes a problem. There's nothing wrong with having hallucinations or dreams but we can't run around telling people that these imaginary events actually occurred outside of our own brains.
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If you were in Tibet, the common parlayance, would be "but we can't run around telling people that physical manifestations are outside of our brains." There is more evidence that our dreams are real, and that the 3D world is an illusion. But, we were raised in a country were people don't even listen to their dreams. I do understand where you are coming from. I was raised in that environment. But I can no longer believe it, as evidence has shown otherwise.
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pure cannabis all the way
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lol
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The beliefs in the outer body experience dates back to ancient practices that the natives of the land would practice. The human body is amazing in itself that we can produce naturally chemicals which are exactly to those of using a substance. An example would be a runners high. When the adrenaline gets going in the body you experience some outer body things as well. Substance use disrupts the natural flow of chemicals released in the synapses gap hence the spacey feeling. Serotonin levels be vanish and the users mood swings changes. Great read with interesting information. Reminds me of my college days sitting in those psychology lectures. Peace be with you 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
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upvoted, didn't know that.
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Did you know that all old religions worshipped fallen angels? That's where these shamanic practices come from, the worship of reptilians and winged reptilians (avians).
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Or even the "high" of being in such great physical shape that you know you can run all day long...even in 90 degree heat and 90% humidity. I'm wondering if the "ultimate" high can actually be achieved without the use on any drugs or stimulants. I think proper diet goes a long way towards creating a "natural" high also. It's very tuff to break bad habits, so small gains and steady progress is the way I try to approach things. :-)
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Even tho i would like to try DMT or LSD, it scares the shit out of me. As far as we know this is the only life we got and i want to experience it to the fullest by being consciousness all the time. That's why i have given up on all the drugs. And indeed i've heard some stories about people losing their minds when they use DMT/LSD because they think that they're still in the trip and can't get out.
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>And indeed i've heard some stories about people losing their minds when they use DMT/LSD because they think that they're still in the trip and can't get out usually people that have been doing way too much drugs already.
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The 'truth' is in the eye of the beholder. You can believe as you wish and that is your reality, but if someone has a different reality it belongs to them. The problem only arises when one tries to alter anothers reality by telling them it isnt real.
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>The problem only arises when one tries to alter anothers reality by telling them it isnt real. or telling them it is real..and going and having the drug and then they die. that's much worse.
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drugs are drugs no matter what way you spell it, if they cause you to feel euphoric, then they are drugs and shoudl not be allowed in any country. Get high on life and not on substances.
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I am not against drugs. I am against bullshit
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Nothing wrong with doing both, better than limiting ones own experience.
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<center> Any special insight that can be gained by taking any drug is lost as soon as the effects of the drug wear out. I can compare it to those who seek to crimb Everest but fly to the top of the mountains instead of going up the hard way so your body can get used to it. You need to do the work and allow for your system to get strong slowly and get used to the less oxygen. When you take psychedelics it may seem like you gained insight, but if you don't put any work in, ie: meditation, study, eating right, exercise and a philosophy that can help you identify those things in you which need to change. If you take drugs under the guidance of a trained counselor, that knows how to apply theraphy and the usage of the drug, you may actually be able to use it for healing traumas. That being said taking any drug without knowing the chemistry of your brain and any traumas you may have is a dangerous proposition. You are better off doing Yoga. Thank you sir for the article.</center> <center>[May the Steem be with you!](www.steemit.com@south-paw)</center>
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I don't think it can do anything more significant other that what a pet does.
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Great information and very well explained. I really liked the way you guided people about these drugs :)
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It's just that our imagination gets boosted, nothing else. I wouldn't call any tripping spiritual because I have yet to see a person changed for good after doing "spiritual" substances for a quite some time. Same applies to every drug out there. Sober life is the best life. At least you are always responsible for your acts and can't blame any drug for your behavior. Thanks for the article @kyriacos
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Good post, Thanks for sharing this good info
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<p>This comment has received a 0.10 % upvote from @booster thanks to: @hamzaoui.</p>
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Thanks for this writeup. I call it the best post of the week. How on Earth can someone believe that there is spiritual drugs in tangible form. What a deceit. Spirit is immaterial, intangible, therefore can not be influenced with material substance. My people perish for lack of knowledge, says the good book.
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I remember doing research on Ayahuasca for my degree thesis. What's "cool" about it is that it was traditionally consumed by indigenous indians of south america in religious ceremonies. It was part of their culture and the ceremonies had a spiritual, not recreational purpose; yet the war on drugs had it banned in most countries. Natives still have several court battles going on to this day, with the claim that its a cultural heritage element and they have the right to maintain it. For western people it rhymes well with the "hippie" trend of back to nature-spiritualism-drugs and chillin'. In my opinion, anyone should be able to smoke or drink whatever they want; however let's not forget that indigenous cultures had no knowledge of modern chemistry and human physiology back then and genuinely attributed these effects to spiritual causes. Purposedly ignoring this knowledge today is just too pretentious.
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well said.
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It's a portal to demonic dimensions. Those who open that door may in fact be leaving a backdoor down the road. Not 100% certain, but my research is leading my to the conclusion it is not what people make it out to be.
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I tried lots of drugs before, and I always had an extraordinary time. I always have a new perspective on what I am going trough in my life, and I always get something useful out of the experience. Mushooms where the most "spiritual" drug I've taken and it was also mind expending experience. There will always be use and abuse in anything, and not using drugs with care is dangerous, but "spiritual drugs" can be life changing.
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I'm kind of allergic to "woohoo nonsense, wishy washy" thoughts and saying, nonetheless, it is close minded to say that substance like DMT or Ayahuasca induce no "changes" after the effect. It can "take" the conscientious part of the brain and let it see (introspect) the unconscious part. I've known someone who has had a powerful positive change induced by such things. We should not underestimate knowledge from ancient civilisation, I went to Columbia where indigenous live in the "jungle", they have developed a knowledge that had permit them to survive thousands of year in an environment where we would die in less than a week (seriously). Some of their knowledge practice and rituals are garbage, but we would certainly be surprised by how much knowledge we have skipped of forgotten due to our close minded approach. > Hopefully we have not yet seriously study theses stuff
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>it is close minded to say that substance like DMT or Ayahuasca induce no "changes" after the effect. No one said that they induce no changes. Read the post. >It can "take" the conscientious part of the brain and let it see (introspect) the unconscious part. I've known someone who has had a powerful positive change induced by such things. Here. Let me try to bullshit my way through as well : Through the drug, your inner introspective consciousness can reflect your subconscious physical reality. ^ See what I did there. I stringed together words that mean nothing and appeared to be a spiritual smart-ass >We should not underestimate knowledge from ancient civilisation, I went to Columbia where indigenous live in the "jungle", they have developed a knowledge that had permit them to survive thousands of year in an environment where we would die in less than a week (seriously). So what? this means nothing. There are still in the jungle right? >Some of their knowledge practice and rituals are garbage, but we would certainly be surprised by how much knowledge we have skipped of forgotten due to our close minded approach. Not really. most of the "inner" knowledge is just sitting around doing nothing, listening to the birds. in other words. The inner peace of chillax.
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I've slowly come to the conclusion that people's bodies are their own property and they should be able to put into them whatever they're dumb enough to. It's the pseudo-intellectual metaphysical mumbo-jumbo that he vomits onto the keyboard that turns me off about @craig-Rant and I don't know if that's from the drugs or his ego.
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>I've slowly come to the conclusion that people's bodies are their own property and they should be able to put into them whatever they're dumb enough to. absolutely agree >It's the pseudo-intellectual metaphysical mumbo-jumbo that he vomits onto the keyboard that turns me off about @craig-Rant and I don't know if that's from the drugs or his ego. check the dollar vigilante as well. It seems to be the new way to trade cryptos. when everything else fails, drugs come to the rescue.
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I bit on the Doll Vig the first week or so when I got here but I've seen that kind of digital product launch promo too many times before and stopped looking. It's sad who people will follow just because they've managed to accumulate some coins. And while a lot of people seem to think that it takes some kind of special insight, some of them just got lucky and were in the right place at the right time. Remember, Even a BlindSquirl finds a nut now & then. ;-)
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Let's not just forget about all the positive outcome some drugs can induce. >Rigorous study hailed as landmark > Using unusually rigorous scientific conditions and measures, Johns Hopkins researchers have shown that the active agent in “sacred mushrooms” can induce mystical/spiritual experiences descriptively identical to spontaneous ones people have reported for centuries. > The resulting experiences apparently prompt positive changes in behavior and attitude that last several months, at least. ... > One third said the experience was the single most spiritually significant of their lifetimes; and more than two-thirds rated it among their five most meaningful and spiritually significant. Griffiths says subjects liken it to the importance of the birth of their first child or the death of a parent. > Two months later, 79 percent of subjects reported moderately or greatly increased well-being or life satisfaction compared with those given a placebo at the same test session. A majority said their mood, attitudes and behaviors had changed for the better. Structured interviews with family members, friends and co-workers generally confirmed the subjects’ remarks. Results of a year-long followup are being readied for publication. http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press_releases/2006/07_11_06.html > 'Magic Mushrooms' May Permanently Alter Personality > Just one strong dose of hallucinogenic mushrooms can alter a person's personality for more than a year and perhaps permanently, a new study finds. > People given psilocybin, the compound in "magic mushrooms" that causes hallucinations and feelings of transcendence, demonstrated a more "open" personality after their experience, an effect that persisted for at least 14 months. Openness is a psychological term referring to an appreciation for new experiences. People who are more open tend to have broad imaginations and value emotion, art and curiosity. https://www.livescience.com/16287-mushrooms-alter-personality-long-term.html > Magic Mushrooms Create a Hyperconnected Brain >The active ingredient in the psychedelic drug, psilocybin, seems to completely disrupt the normal communication networks in the brain, by connecting "brain regions that don't normally talk together," said study co-author Paul Expert, a physicist at King's College London. https://www.livescience.com/48502-magic-mushrooms-change-brain-networks.html > Magic Mushrooms Can Erase Fear in Mice > The active ingredient in hallucinogenic mushrooms may erase frightening memories and encourage new brain cell growth in mice, a new study suggests. > Mice given an electric shock, then a low-dose of the hallucinogen psilocybin, lost their fearful response to a sound associated with a painful electric shock much more quickly than mice that didn't receive the drug. https://www.livescience.com/37914-psilocybin-eliminates-traumatic-memories.html > Psilocybin inhibits the processing of negative emotions in the brain https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140507095756.htm
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These are all studies/statements about magic mushrooms which contain the active substance of psilocybin. I didn't mention them in the article. Completely different from the "spiritual" ones related to LSD and Ayahuasca. Also many similar studies have also reports of anxiety and panic attacks after taking the drug. In other words, much like modern depressants.
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Psilocybin mushroom are in the same family compound (tryptamines) as LSD and DMT the active compound of ayahusca. They act on the same neuro-transmitter and have been reported to induce similar experience. The family includes neurotransmitter serotonin (5-hydroxy tryptamine) and hallucinogenic/psychedelic drugs such as LSD, Psilocybin (magic mushrooms) - both widely-used, and other, less common, synthetic drugs such as dimethyl-tryptamine (DMT). > Other than the duration of the experience, the effects of psilocybin are similar to comparable dosages of LSD or mescaline. However, in the Psychedelics Encyclopedia, author Peter Stafford noted, "The psilocybin experience seems to be warmer, not as forceful and less isolating. It tends to build connections between people, who are generally much more in communication than when they use LSD."[22] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Biosynthesis_of_psilocybin.svg/800px-Biosynthesis_of_psilocybin.svg.png Diagram detailing the biosynthesis of psilocybin from tryptophan
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There are plenty of studies that suggest the positive benefits of LSD as well. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/05/psychedelic-drugs-like-lsd-could-be-used-to-treat-depression-study-suggests Psychedelic drugs could prove to be highly effective treatments for depression and alcoholism, according to scientists who have obtained the first brain scans of people under the influence of LSD. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/04/01/lsd-could-make-you-smarter-happier-and-healthier-should-we-all-try-it/?utm_term=.29cf2ef0e7e3 But over the past decade, some scientists have begun to challenge that conclusion. Far from being harmful, they found, hallucinogens can help sick people: They helped alcoholics drink less; terminal patients eased more gently into death. And it’s not just the infirm who are helped by the drugs. Psychedelics can make the healthy healthier, too. https://www.livescience.com/43894-acid-lsd-therapeutic-value-benefits.html The LSD experiment is part of a growing trend toward taking certain drugs — long dismissed as "recreational" — more seriously for their therapeutic value. Despite a plethora of federal and state prohibitions against drug-related testing and research, investigators are discovering that many so-called party drugs have real health benefits. LSD isn't addictive, and unless taken by someone with an existing predisposition towards mental illness, unlikely to do any sort of lasting harm. The demonization of LSD & other psychedelics is pretty laughable when you consider the harm done by legal drugs such as alcohol, pain killers, nicotine, etc.
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Lets not! Thank you :)
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Now that's some bullshit. Just because it has some "good" or "positive" outcomes, doesn't diminish the real negative outcomes as well. I'm sorry, but I can't see this repply, and that science research, as otherwise than a bland excuse to take drugs and believe that "it's not that bad for you" :/
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It's okay for you to disagree with science.
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here is a proper debunk of his kind of "scientific debate". he thinks that his ability to google means that he can debate <h3><a href="https://steemit.com/science/@kyriacos/how-not-to-use-scientific-references">How Not To Use Scientific References</a></h3>
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Here is a take down of your copy-pasta comment posts. You know, for future references as well so you think twice before posting on my wall <h3><a href="https://steemit.com/science/@kyriacos/how-not-to-use-scientific-references">How Not To Use Scientific References</a></h3>
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When the replies are better than the posts. 😉 Posted using Partiko iOS, join the beta testing program [here](https://goo.gl/forms/tBhlrSiG1LYOMAZM2)
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These are false religious experiences, presented within the scope of our realm, and lead to many false truths.
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hahaha!
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what's so funny? Understanding the nature of this plane of existence enough to describe pitfalls that most wouldn't even fathom or consider? Naw, gotta be the cosmic hiccup.
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DMT saved my life. I was in a dark place and this plant medicine helped me pull myself out of that dark pit. It is not a joke and should be respected and administered properly by someone who is trained in the medicine. I am also equally skeptical but this really helped me in so many ways. I do love that you are pushing for education.
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if a drug saved your life then sooner than later you will face the same demon.
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wolf in sheeps clothing.
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niceeee
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This makes me think of Terrance McKenna's: An Important Message https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCf1oREF8LY
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Unfortunately an increasing amount of 'dangerous bullshit' is hitting mainstream. Ever heard of Breatharians? Eesh.
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lol. yes!
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En lo personal a mi gustaría probar algún día, viajar por los medios que sea siempre me ha gustado ;)
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very nice article, upvoted you !
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This article was interesting to read, but inaccurate. Here's why: The word *psychedelic* itself comes from the Ancient Greek words psychē (ψυχή, "soul") and dēloun (δηλοῦν, "to make visible, to reveal"). Although science cannot currently detect the 'soul' or 'spirit' as a material entity, it's interesting to remember that science has never been very kind to the things it cannot currently detect. Recall, for example, the Hungarian doctor, Ignaz Semmelwei (1846), who pioneered the discovery of 'germs'. His discovery was rejected by the scientific community; nobody would listen to him, and he was eventually committed to a mental asylum.<sup>1</sup> Today, science accepts the existence of germs. It's also interesting that that article quotes Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens was a deeply wounded man, who was reportedly addicted to alcohol<sup>2</sup>, the world's most dangerous drug<sup>3</sup>: ![iu.jpeg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmYtCeS6sMSNmV6ZNwG5bfPJoh3YNct3C9q1KUUVNh5GR3/iu.jpeg) He also smoked heavily. Both these behaviours are signs of self-medication for trauma, and are highly suggestive of a profound disconnect between Hitchens' body and mind. A disconnect that could be described as a *spiritual* disconnect. The dictionary defines *spirit*, firstly, as: "An animating or vital principle held to give life to physical organisms."<sup>4</sup> Given this definition, many psychedelic drugs have spiritual potential, if used ceremonially. This is because they give rise to the re-connection between mind and body; reveal trauma; and heal it. In other words, they can reconnect us to the "animating or vital principle held to give life to physical organisms." Of course, there are practitioners who use these substances carelessly. But the same is true of everything humans use. Just because a knife can be used to kill, doesn't mean it can't also be used for delicate surgery. The same is true of psychedelics. Psychedelics can heal, and the process is *spiritual* by the dictionary definition. There are also millions of dollars of scientific research into this phenomena currently underway at MAPS in California. Here are some people talking about their experiences with one 'spiritual' drug that has reconnected them to their 'animating or vital principle': https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9iKx2MKS70 To dismiss this *spiritual* (rejoining with the 'animating' or 'vital' within us) path as 'a joke', is to misunderstand the definition of spiritual, science and psychedelic. It is a mistake to think that 'science' currently has a unique and profound viewpoint on things. Or that it is universally opposed to the idea of spirit. To quote Einstein, "Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe." The scientific community today is, in addition, hugely political because research costs money and those who have money often have agendas. Most of these agendas are variations on 'keep everything as it is, so I keep making money'. These are not favourable conditions in which psychedelics can be openly researched. Psychedelics have the potential to revolutionize our concept of medicine, self, and society. This is one reason why they are often maligned and feared. They can also be misused. Just as an MRI scanner can be misused; or a knife, or a laser. I recommend starting with the thousands of scientific papers on LSD psychotherapy. This book is a useful beginning: https://www.amazon.com/Psychotherapy-Healing-Potential-Psychedelic-Medicine/dp/0979862205 Or exploring the many successful, US-Government-endorsed, scientific studies into LSD, Ayahusaca, Ibogaine and MDMA currently underway at MAPS: http://www.maps.org/research Thank you for a provocative article. Good luck. **Sources:** <sup>1</sup>http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/01/12/375663920/the-doctor-who-championed-hand-washing-and-saved-women-s-lives <sup>2</sup>http://www.samefacts.com/2011/12/health-medicine/why-honesty-about-hitchens-addictions-matters/ <sup>3</sup>https://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm* <sup>4</sup>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spirit
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You can't just claim that fictional things exist in objective reality without proving the claim. Citing the fact that we were previously unable to detect certain things doesn't change this. Until someone proves otherwise, spirits still reside strictly in the realm of fiction.
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I agree with you, @piedpiper. Germs were fictional in 1846. So fictional that the scientific community drove a man to his death for claiming they existed. I'm excited to see what other 'fictions' future scientific research turns into reality. However, I'm not sure where in my post I talked about spirits existing.
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"You can't just claim that fictional things exist in objective reality without proving the claim." Sure you can, you just have to add: "the Bible/Koran says".
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don't worry man. I debunked his way of thinking here read this and spare me the drama <h3><a href="https://steemit.com/science/@kyriacos/how-not-to-use-scientific-references">How Not To Use Scientific References</a></h3>
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>Although science cannot currently detect the 'soul' or 'spirit' as a material entity, it's interesting to remember that science has never been very kind to the things it cannot currently detect. so such thing as soul. What can be implied without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. >Recall, for example, the Hungarian doctor, Ignaz Semmelwei (1846), who pioneered the discovery of 'germs'. His discovery was rejected by the scientific community; nobody would listen to him, and he was eventually committed to a mental asylum.1 false parallelism. >Given this definition, many psychedelic drugs have spiritual potential, if used ceremonially. This is because they give rise to the re-connection between mind and body; reveal trauma; and heal it. In other words, they can reconnect us to the "animating or vital principle held to give life to physical organisms." no evidence. just make believe. >Psychedelics can heal, and the process is spiritual by the dictionary definition. dictionary definitions don't heal.
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there you go. debunking your way of thinking read this and spare me the drama <h3><a href="https://steemit.com/science/@kyriacos/how-not-to-use-scientific-references">How Not To Use Scientific References</a></h3>
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What did you experience when you drank ayahuasca @kyriacos ?
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I've experience by myself - and i totally agree with you!
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@kyriacos If you didn't experience other dimensions, it doesn't mean that they don't exist. I'm just writing post about ego/mind perception where I will mention you, to be more specific your phrase 'new age bullshitology'. You think you know that other dimension don't exist and that everything is just happening in our head. You are completely wrong. But more about that in next articles I will write.
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just because you imagined other dimensions doesn't mean they exist.
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Why would you think @kyriacos as you stated in your article that **the concept** **of** **"happiness"** **is** **delusional** ?
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because it does not exist. no evidence. just a meme
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Well drugs are some kind of technology so you can use it or abused.
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Congratulations @kyriacos! Your post was mentioned in my [hit parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20170708) in the following category: * Comments - Ranked 10 with 124 comments
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Drugs are nothing but a type of escapism from the reality. Clouds hiding the sky do not mean that the sky does not exist, the same is true with the drugs.
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well ... you can use everything for the bad! ... you can even drink too much water too fast and that would also cause huge troubles! ... paracelsus taught us that everything can be medicine or poison depending on how we use it! ... of course the hype around such drugs is probably not good ... and even taking drugs in order to get some enlightement is not the best way to aim for, but for some people it can be medicine! ... whilst using such a medicine our intent is of most importance! ... [ i prefer meditation and hard inner work in order to get some higher experiences ]
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it depends what you are after. the point here is the spiritual experience. people imagine things and claim that they are real
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I am not going to reply to this in my normal way of linking peer reviewed medical journals which should provide us with our information. That has already been done by @teamsteem and others. Instead I am going to talk subjectively because this post was written that way. I have studied and worked in the field of mental health for what seems like an eternity. I have spent equally eternal times with helping comfort people in their last months of life as a hospice nurse. I speak from real life situations that have affected my life as well as many of my patients. I hold degrees that qualify me to be heard, but that is not of importance for this conversation. What is of importance is that individual people find good in their treatment. When I read a post like this I understand that the viewpoints involved in it are purely speculative and based on fear and misconception. Have you had psychological need to use any of these drugs? My question is to you @kyriacos. Why do you wish to slander that which you do not understand? I have had the privilege of knowing 80+ people who have died under my watch as a Hospice nurse. In the transition period of life when all light fades and the psyche begins to understand the disconnection with the physical body, strange things start to happen. We create anxiety, stress, doubt and many other emotions which can be horribly overwhelming. Have you ever sat with someone who was gasping for their last breathes, holding your hand and staring in your eyes with tears welling up and more fear than can be understood?? What if you as a medical health professional knew there were ways to help deal with this agony, but yet you could not use them because your government does not allow it? Aside from the huge benefits of these medications in Hospice, I have also seen them used in psychiatry as well. Their have been many doctors to date who use and have used psychedelics as modes of release for patients unable to cope. You said in your post, *"Since the dawn of our evolutionary timeline, human always tried to escape the reality of life by doing physiological "hacks"."* I would like to point out to start, that you should proof read your work so that you don't use the wrong words. "Physiological" refers to the biological part of the human makeup. Psychological refers to the "spark" that is consciousness. Therefore people have **not** been doing "physiological hacks". Beyond that simple fact, I must ask how has your life been up to date. Have you known war? Have you felt the feeling of hot sticky blood running down your face as you try to understand that what you are looking at was once the body of a friend who is now dismembered and dead? Have you lived knowing that you took the life of someone who was someone's child and may have been a parent, simply because your government gave you an order?? Tell me about how much hardship you have endured and then explain to me why you want to try to instigate more fear and propaganda over a drug/drugs which we still know so little about. Because of this fear and propaganda, those of us working in science have been unable to do clear and concise studies on them. Our governments keep things regulated for reasons, most of which we are never privileged to know. If you have faith that the propaganda you have been fed is meant for your protection, then you are sadly mistaken. My point to all of this is that every individual has a right and a choice to use the tools available to them to deal with their unique situations. By creating turmoil and distrust you simply fuel the unsupported claims that have been fed to the masses for so long. This continues to instill fear which leads to hatred towards something which people have no understanding of. My suggestion to you is to go live a little life before you pretend you know something about it. Am I being biased in this response... yes I believe I am, which is not like me. You though sir, are making false acquisitions with no evidence to back it up. Quote from your post: *"I am not going to argue about the dangers of these drugs even if many people have died in the process of taking them."* Where sir is your evidence. Most of us in the scientific community wish to see peer reviewed fact based evidence. You will not find general consensus reports on these claims because they do not exist... It would seem you wish to spout off bullshit and nothing more... Peace, The Last Sage
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>When I read a post like this I understand that the viewpoints involved in it are purely speculative and based on fear and misconception. Have you had psychological need to use any of these drugs? My question is to you @kyriacos. Why do you wish to slander that which you do not understand? why do you wish to hype that which you don't understand? Even alcohol can help momentarily for some psychological "disorders" but it can quickly get our of hand. scientific studies have not demonstrated to "cure" anyone because psychiatry is mostly bullshit to begin with. >"Physiological" refers to the biological part of the human makeup. Psychological refers to the "spark" that is consciousness. Therefore people have not been doing "physiological hacks". Consciousness is a bullshit word to begin with. it does not exist. There is no "mind vs body". Everything in neurally connected. You said you worked with people? you definitely need training how the body works. Begin with this. the human brain extents everywhere..aka physiological includes any "psychological". https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ef/5d/f6/ef5df6e8a02d67218f6ed36d53e5d6c5--naga-world-photo.jpg >Tell me about how much hardship you have endured and then explain to me why you want to try to instigate more fear and propaganda over a drug/drugs which we still know so little about. Because of this fear and propaganda, those of us working in science have been unable to do clear and concise studies on them. Our governments keep things regulated for reasons, most of which we are never privileged to know. If you have faith that the propaganda you have been fed is meant for your protection, then you are sadly mistaken. I have taken enough drugs to know that the spiritual claims are bullshit and that they don't actually make you "connect" more than having a pet. they don't have long lasting effects. aka..they act as painkillers which you get used to if you continue doing them..fucking you up completely. i know friends that take LSD daily almost. completely delusional and some of them suicidal. >"I am not going to argue about the dangers of these drugs even if many people have died in the process of taking them." Literally all over google and from personal experiences.
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You are something else my friend... You speak as though you wish to cause pain... it truly is sad. I send all of my love to you and hope you find a way to deal with your pain. Peace, The Last Sage
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Hmm, how do I downvote this post?
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there is a flag on the upper right corner of the page
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I agree with you that people mistake what they are experiencing for something greater than it is. This is greatly because the state of satori that can be achieved when taking psychedelics is a divine state to experience, especially in comparison to the insanity that most people live. Okay you might be laughing at the thought of having a satori like experience after taking some psychedlic drugs, but read on to hear me out. Remember that your ego, the way you view the world and all of your thought's aren't a reality. They are simply a product of your past experiences, and everyone's are different. People become so entrenched in their believes that they have lost the ability to see them for what they are, beliefs and not truth. Things like a bad self image, prejudices and negative thought patterns can stop you from enjoying life to the full and lead to depression. Constant chatter in your mind stifles creativity and takes you completely out of the moment, rather than living life in the instinctual manner we should be. Psychedelics can be a great teacher for people, as they shatter their ego and make them question everything that they believe to be true. Now not everyone will have positive, life changing experiences, and the drug itself won't change you, it can just be a great teacher as the majority of people find it hard or impossible to come to these realisations by themselves. Psychedelics are already being reintroduced into the healthcare system in many countries because of this reason. They are much more effective in a controlled environment with the correct dose, and the majority of deaths that do occur are due to the fact that dealers are selling cheaper research chemicals as psychedelics.
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>Remember that your ego, the way you view the world and all of your thought's aren't a reality. remember that these substances belong to the realm of "non-reality" as well so really, you can't prove the imaginable from the real unless you get other people around you to "confirm" what is real and what is not. aka mass delusion.
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I'm a materialist who believes in Scientism-- especially when I can reduce other talking monkeys into objects of financial exploitation-- because that's what Darwinism teaches; I don't like rabbit holes but love pigpens, wherein I can eat all the prime rib I so richly deserve, while I drown myself in good ole whiskey and beer! Anyway, it's clear that human religiosity was greatly affected by entheogens; if not stemming directly from them. Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy which deals with the core nature of things (objects)...Anyone who claims that we know the definitive answer to this question in 2017 is practicing dishonesty....
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Anyone who claims that we know anything without evidence is practicing dishonesty. what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. spiritual claims are bullshit for this very simple reason.
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I don't claim anything, but I don't dismiss wholesale the 'spiritual' experiences of billions upon billions of people over the past 10,000 years .....That you are so eager and willing to tells me all I need to know about you.....No need to reply as I know what the sound of a needle stuck in an album groove sounds like!
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Actually "most" folks don't refer to them as "spiritual drugs," they refer to them as psychedelics and for those of us who really know what we are talking about, they are more frequently referred to as entheogens. You're piece is interesting, always nice to hear what folks think. As a former psychonaut myself I have learned patience and tolerance for the opinions of others, no matter how assumptive they may be. At the end of the day, so much of it is choice. Personally, I would never CHOOSE to limit my own experience. At the same time, I have seen people fall into these experiences because it has become trendy and often those types miss the point as well. I have often used that Hitchens quote myself, and you are correct, I cannot prove my experiences to anyone. One apparent difference between us is that I would never feel the need to. It begs the question, why are some folks so keen on trying to prove the opposite? Can you prove that people claiming to have a spiritual experience didn't have one? Evidence presented against these claims is flimsy at best and ridiculous at worst and at the end of the day prove nothing. Respect to you and to your opinions however, we are all entitled to them.
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The imaginary and the non-existent are very much alike. As simple as that. Most people imagine things and that has been demonstrated plenty of times in studies. these drugs just create illusions, much like the ones in dreams.
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Upvoted and resteemed!
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Nice article. I've never experimented with LSD and Ayahuasca, and don't plan to given the associated risks. For those using these so called "spiritual drugs" as a means to reach enlightenment, it's kind of ironic and a pointless pursuit since you are only artificially augmenting your reality rather than developing a deeper understanding and appreciation of the practice of spirituality. To me it just seems like another excuse to escape from one's woes and deny facing their current reality. At least stick to marijuana, it's safer ~
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exactly.
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How were your experiences with psychedelics like?
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dream like, happy, socializing with others, tripping out by-myself looking at the stars. they were pretty awesome, like most good dreams. I've seen people that ended up in the hospital from a panic attack, hurt themselves trying to do stupid shit.. so it varies greatly. you really can't know how it will hit you because their effect depends on your given psychological state.
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Sometime it is effect because physiologically can effect to someone. Since day one we have free choice that you want to believe or not. Depend on your faith that what are you believing. Sometime unseen are more really than seen. Please follow me @patricksanlin and upvote. Thanks
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I dont totally agree but i like your points and that you posted about it
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Drug create dreams in the dream.
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This article is bull shit. People have already explained why. Also DMT and LSD are synthetized versions of actual medicine. I have been there first hand and had the experience in a proper place. It is not like anything you described. Just saying. Psychedelics are anything but "drugs" and they are NOT for fun. They can be powerful healing tools, not to be abused. It is all very simple really.
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I am not arguing so much about their nature as drugs but whether they can induce a spiritual experience.
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They induce exactly what the person taking them needs and nothing more. Having expectations to anything in life is a mistake, people create grandoise fantasy's about how something will be only to be left with more questions. Having an actual understanding of life in as big a picture and vast perspectives as possible makes us more well rounded as individuals. To get in touch with spirit, people take many different types of paths. Look were we are at now globally, it's a shit show! People are going crazy all over the place. Yet many of us stay calm and collected seeing through all the shite! Peace.
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My dear friend! I think you have some grudges about "spiritual drugs". There is a reason why LSD and DMT are known in the society as "spiritual" drugs in the first place! My friend , Steve Jobs , who revolutionized technology through his vision of smart phone and personal computers himself quoted in an interview - " LSD was one of the most important things in my life to which I owe my success". You can check the internet to verify this yourself. Jobs said that taking LSD opened his inner thoughts and he was spiritually overwhelmed.This changed his entire personality and made him a visionery . He became very determined due to it and developed the courage to change the world with "Apple". Even the " BEATLES" member JOHN LENNON, who revolutionized the music industry in the 1960's, through songs like "HEY JUDE", admitted in an interview that he took LSD. JOHN was out of words to describe the LSD experience but simply said that the experience changed him for the better. He was spiritually charged and ready to take risks and try new things. And we all are thankful that LENNON experimented with new songs which gave us the some of the classics, which are even hummed today! Yeah it is true that LSD has both good trip and bad trip. The above examples were of good trips.But it is a scientific fact that trips of LSD is guided by the user! Meaning, if you take the drug in fear and skeptically , you will have a bad trip and if you take the drug thinking you are going to have the best experience in your life, you will have a good trip. So I think, you are condemning spiritual drugs because you had a bad trip due to them.I assure you, if u would ever like to experiment with spiritual drugs again, do it with a calm and peaceful mind and trust me you will have the best experience of your entire life! Speaking about DMT, it is a spirit molecule. DMT is the most powerful drug and its experience are the most powerful ones too. DMT spiritual experience are more vivid and powerful than the LSD ones. DMT trip is very different from other psychedelics drug. I will soon write a blog about DMT and other psychedelics drug. CHECK it out to know about the "magical" DMT world , that DMT takes you to!
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The experiences are real! This is called Phenomenology....Any assertion of any metaphysics from these substances is 100% speculation....Having said that, studies clearly show the efficacy of certain plants when it comes to healing myriad types of human trauma.....This is scientific fact...Again, though, any religious claims are speculation! One can either opt into the religious aspect of this or dismiss it...Either one is fine with me!
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>There is a reason why LSD and DMT are known in the society as "spiritual" drugs in the first place! truth is not a democracy. many people believe in aliens and angels. doesn't make them true trough. >My friend , Steve Jobs , who revolutionized technology through his vision of smart phone and personal computers himself quoted in an interview - " LSD was one of the most important things in my life to which I owe my success". irrelevant. this was the same guy that refuse to take proper cancer medication and died by drinking hippy juices. >Jobs said that taking LSD opened his inner thoughts and he was spiritually overwhelmed.This changed his entire personality and made him a visionery . He became very determined due to it and developed the courage to change the world with "Apple". if that worked consistently and scientifically most people that had LSD would be successful as Steve Jobs. Instead most of them are wothless hippies living on the dol. >Even the " BEATLES" member JOHN LENNON, who revolutionized the music industry in the 1960's, through songs like "HEY JUDE", admitted in an interview that he took LSD. I tool LSD. plenty of times. so what? doesn't prove anything "spiritual". >So I think, you are condemning spiritual drugs because you had a bad trip due to them.I assure you, if u would ever like to experiment with spiritual drugs again, do it with a calm and peaceful mind and trust me you will have the best experience of your entire life! Actually I never had a single bad trip about them. They just numbing your brain and induce hallucinations much like you will experience in dreams. Many people have died by losing control, jumping off buildings..etc. >Speaking about DMT, it is a spirit molecule. DMT is the most powerful drug and its experience are the most powerful ones too. no evidence. what the fuck is a "spirit" anyways?
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>truth is not a democracy. many people believe in aliens and angels. doesn't make them true trough. Referring to aliens and angels here , is utterly irrelevant to support your claim. It is a known fact, there are proper scientific studies on psychedelic drugs like DMT and LSD which have confirmed the SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE claim. >irrelevant. this was the same guy that refuse to take proper cancer medication and died by drinking hippy juices. My dear friend, Steve jobs was so engrossed in revolutionizing technology, that he often forgot his cancer medications. He never refused it. AND forgetting medicines was not the reason for his death.His cancer was untreatable. Seriously "hippy juices"? do you believe in all rumours? >I tool LSD. plenty of times. so what? doesn't prove anything "spiritual". You took LSD plenty of times? If you didnt get anything from LSD, why did you take it plenty of times? This contradicts youself! Either you are lying or are a fool to take LSD so many times just for the sake of nothing. However, LSD experience depends upon the dosage, and the method of intake.It is a scientific proven fact that LSD leads to spiritual experience. GO check the net yourself to confirm it. >if that worked consistently and scientifically most people that had LSD would be successful as Steve Jobs. Instead most of them are wothless hippies living on the dol. Everything taken in excess is harmful, be it water also! Addiction of anything is dangerous. Same goes for drugs. Jobs took LSD only few times. HE was not addicted to it. And if he himself owes his success to it, how can you even criticize it! And i never said taking drugs make you successful. You are making irrelevant arguments. LSD OPENS PATH For spirituality. One can either use these revelation of spirituality for the betterment of society like jobs did or find inner peace through devotion to the gods. >Actually I never had a single bad trip about them. They just numbing your brain and induce hallucinations much like you will experience in dreams. Many people have died by losing control, jumping off buildings..etc. As i said earlier, LSD trip depend upon dosage and method of intake. It is not a toy to just take it anywhere , anytime and whenever you feel like. Seriously man, Jumping off buildings? You are creating your own stuff. I talk on facts. You are just talking on rumors. You will not find a single evidence anywhere about anything jumping off roofs due to LSD! Seriously mate, do you even think when you write! >no evidence. what the fuck is a "spirit" anyways? Again man, irrelevant argument. Go and surf the net about about it before making any nonsensical comments about something you dont know!
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What about all those drugs which release DMT? Is that also fake? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2521132/DMT-spirit-molecule-drug-used-Shamanic-ceremonies-sweeping-country.html
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read my latest post. I don't think any of you get the point. <h3><a href="https://steemit.com/science/@kyriacos/how-not-to-use-scientific-references">How Not To Use Scientific References</a></h3>
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I think so spritual drug is bulshit @kyriacos
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I'm having a great time reading some of your posts and the discussions you bring. I'm wanting to dig in deeper with you, but I have to ask. What do you mean by: > "Truth is not a democracy."
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According to trip reports that I've read, people say LSA is more spiritual than LSD.
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Glad I'm not alone in seeing this trend of hallucinations as "spirituality". As if to say we can't examine our own inner life to fix flaws that cause pain without a drug. I wish mainstream writers were more honest about the down sides of taking these drugs instead of pushing them as a shortcut to "spirituality". Growing up in the 70's I was surrounded by plenty of drug users, who, of course, always said these drugs were good for me (just like doctors tell us, and not always right), or nothing bad will happen. I didn't try to find out because their character and choices left much to be desired. Later, I observed, they were no better off for having taking these drugs for either recreational or spiritual reasons. Spirituality. What an elusive term. It's too bad people mistake of pushing one perspective of anything, which requires a whole picture of all the information to make an informed personal choice.
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