I like Adam but if he was to get elected which I wouldn't bet on would we need a national bail fund for him? Or would he not get arrested as president?

thank you. very good point many of which I have been wondering about. I have been thinking about how one man thinks he is gonna be in charge of dividing and destroying? Doesn't that go against what Anarchists stand for? Number one in charge of myself!

This is so spot on! You hit every nail on the head, thank you Larken 🙏 This campaign is nothing more than an episode of the Adam Kokesh show 

perfect @larkenrose

Thank you, this is the most refreshing perspective I've read on Kokesh for not-president so far. 

I know many of my friends like and support him. However, to me, he seems to be little more than a self-appointed guru looking for groupies. I'm generally not a fan of people like that.

Bam.

>To think that he personally gets to decide how to divvy up both the stolen loot and the power and control, including some power being “in some ways transferred to state governments,” is ignorant, arrogant and statist all at once—not to mention dictatorial.

Yep. And he also plans to keep national parks “open to the public,” while assigning them to non-profit organizations of his choice, while simultaneously allowing them to be freely homesteaded private property. When asked about the contradiction here one gets no answer.

It really is the “hero messiah” type thing you mentioned and I’m fucking sick of it. It’s immoral, antithetical to voluntaryist principles, and delusional. 

Thank you for writing this.

>"philosophically hypocritical and tactically delusional."

**I think we have a new campaign slogan for Kokesh 2020!**
That sums it all up right there.

Check mark all down the line...Yup in no way would I vote for him..

you people, as a result of your belligerence, will simply see Adam shift over to the Minarcho side.  All he needs to do is recognize the validity of this vid by Andy "petition" Jacobs of the Libertarian Revolution YT channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwGXTffZmls

And to assure no local monopoly on any WELL REGULATED MILITIA, we can simultaneously implement something the Oath Keepers.org have through the Volunteer Fire Department.
https://www.oathkeepers.org/cpt-community-preparedness-teams/security/

The LP and the minarchos are NOT going away, in spite of your presentations.  Many see the need for public ownership of "cops, courts and clerks", whereas the anarchoVol THEORETICAL prescriptions for these services have not been enough to convince enough libertarians any sort of justice system will be adequate to replace the English Common Law model.

Now you can pick on Adam all day long, in regard to your take on his personality and his alleged personal ambitions.  But what he proposes could be promoted with any personality type.

I fully agree. If we come to the point where 50% of the voters have realised that government is useless and still all voted for him, why again should we want him to control the process of dissolving the government? That idea is completely opposed to our ideas. Voting means nothing, If anything dissolves the government than this will be all our combined actions.

What a penetrating critique. I cant wait to hear the debate

"Stop arguing philosophy" is the most offensive thing you could say to an anarchist or libertarian. Worse than "I love the IRS". Just an observation :)

https://steemit.com/voting/@dragon.lady82/voting

I enjoyed the interview, and I know it was skewed toward Adam but I thought Larken 'won' on points.

I have grown to distrust Adam from initially being intrigued by the ideas put forward. Somehow it seems like the rhetoric is wrapped in a cloth made to appeal to a growing disenfranchised group that may have some weight behind it, anarchy/voluntaryism. He may be just trawling for votes from a sea of those willing to turn their backs on it all.

Now to the part where I will probably be attacked... :-)
I think the way society has been manipulated into being mostly a group of selfish individuals with minimal morals is obviously by design to counter a pure anarchy breakout. 
Much as I like and appreciate Larken and his good logical work, and can appreciate a black and white stance on the issue of self-governance... I also understand that we as a human race are no longer bound by the morals that could allow it to happen without total chaos (which is where, of course, the 'order' will just step in).

I believe there does still need to be a little 'governance' in the form of maybe volunteer peace keepers etc. as an interim toward true self governance. I don't mean upholding statutes etc., but just generally able to try and keep the peace if  this sudden switch were to occur. People on the whole cannot think clearly these days as evidenced by the very fact they look to the current circus to rule them. The state really forces us to abide by the 'rules in their house' and will not let us come of age.

Morals and values were once imparted to children by their stalwart parents.... children were under their 'governance' until of age where hopefully they were given these to live by. Anarchy or volunteerism was and is seldom allowed in children.
Now there is a parent to 'rule them all' and we all suffer under the strap because in their eyes we are just the equivalent of a child, an 1800s  chimney sweep if you will.

We cannot, though, expect others these days to have our moral compass view, as it has been skewed from the agreed societal morals and values of old. Thus chaos would ensue should the system collapse tomorrow. 

I hope what I am trying to convey makes some kind of sense....basically, I think there needs to be some shades of grey mixed into the anarchist paint tray to make it work. 

I can almost hear the keyboards clacking from here........

>"Instead, it puts peoples’ hopes in the outcome of an election, and the possibility of President Kokesh signing an “Executive Order” to make the U.S. “government” cease to exist. To be blunt, never in a million years will that happen, and having that be the stated goal is both philosophically hypocritical and tactically delusional."

That's predicting the future and a non starter in the logic dept.  You don't even know what's going to happen tomorrow. Do you only try sure things? If it looks impossible, what? - just don't even try?  People's hopes? Do you think we are all too stupid to know what a long shot this is?  

>"Notice the complete lack of any mention of anything about the philosophy of voluntaryism/anarchism. Instead, it’s all about his master plan for when he gets elected. Again, since he has no chance of winning, I won’t bother covering in great detail all the ways in which his plan is inherently bogus, such as:"

![Own_Yourself.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmSyT6vte6MjyXj6u7MrFFCyXNM238TjqptEYdBJ5ByHCc/Own_Yourself.jpg)

You are nitpicking like there's no tomorrow. I suppose that if we reached a state of total freedom, you'd object to it because it wasn't done the right way?  Would you stand so hard on principle that you'd crush the solution? Do you object to using the corrupt system against itself in order to destroy it?  That doesn't make sense to me.  

Your last paragraph starting with "As such" is just a hit piece and way below Larken Rose to say all that illogical nonsense.

I hope part 2 deals with the world we live in because if you think the elite are going to sit on their hands while we wait for 25% of us to become Anarchists, you're forgetting the lengths to which they are trying to keep us from learning the truth about anything.  That's delusional imho. 

![BrezezinskiKillMillion.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmVfEoRAyy9bGr3nHGsM7AqUhuipCxgBESkkVQymhYmqRo/BrezezinskiKillMillion.jpg) 

Please excuse/forgive the tone in places. I always bristle when I think someone is being treated unfairly.  I care not who. I wish you'd stop and question a few things but I don't know if you still can.  You've thought very deeply about so much that maybe your conclusions are beyond question.  I don't know but I wish you'd try to help your brother, Adam instead of whatever the heck this is. You KNOW he is not trying to be emperor. lol  enough aleady

The fact that Adam is not a stupid man and certainly must know that his "campaign" has no chance in hell should be evidence enough for anyone to discern his true motivation.

I remember a not too distant time when people said there was no way in hell that Trump would win the presidency.  I'm not saying that's indicative of a Kokesh win.   Only that sometimes the unexpected can, and does happen.

It sure is an interesting time to be alive!

"and (as it is now, anyway) no chance of success when it comes to changing people’s minds." not sure how you can make that conclusion. No even be able to change anyone's mind? Really? Lots of people think the political system is legit, and I mean lots. How do you get their attention? The brute logical truth that you often use, believe me, does not always work. As an engineer I can make almost anything come to life using logic and science and all. But what good is it if there isn't a salesman using whatever means possible to get the idea out into the public? Most engineers hate the way the salesman do their magic, but we wouldn't be able to make a living without them.

I like you and Adam and others, fuck call me desperate but I'd be happy with anyone that gets us some traction
Thank you

A great debate! Where I completely agree with Larken and love his loyally to his thinking. 
However I think Adam's campaign could reach people that would never be reached any other way. As for the political speech I don't like it and do agree with Larkin but then Adam won't be taken seriously and make it to a stage where he can start expressing the views that might change people's minds.
It it a difficult one and I am torn. I would not vote as I think its a waste of time, I think what Adam is doing will open up the minds of many people but it will not change the state. If he brings people over to looking at a freer way of thinking thats a good thing.
A tough one to say, I agree with both sides and like Jeff said anything that can change peoples way of thinking is a good thing. I don't think Adam will get in; it wont be allow but if he can cause a stir and wake a few people up then go for it I say 💯🐒

The bottom line is that re-enforcing the idea that the slave master must grant us freedom contradicts what freedom really means. We don't need the permission of anyone to be free, and it doesn't need to be declared that we are free by placing a signature on a piece of paper and showing the world. This is the entire point. 

Beyond not being productive, this campaign will be counter-productive because people who may have never heard of Anarchism/Voluntarism will associate it with only being legitimate through the political process and needing to vote in order to dissolve Statism. It's actually really funny the blatant contradictions of Kokesh's ideas here. His ideas aren't based in reality or any principle.

And anarchy is a pipe-dream which will never happen either...so I guess Adam running for POTUS is as useful as you promoting a stateless society.

Running for political office is a good way to get a message out to people.  I have been involved in the libertarian movement since the 1990's as a result of being exposed to Harry Browne running for President as the Libertarian Party's candidate.  I have talked to libertarians all over this country,  both in person,  and online,  and I've asked many of them how they got involved in the libertarian movement,  and the #1 answer I get is because of a campaign,  and the two  candidates I have heard the most are #1)  Ron Paul (by far),  and #2)  Harry Browne.  

A heck of a lot more people know who Ron Paul is than know who Larken Rose is.  I'm not saying that I don't think that Larken has done valuable work,  because I think that he has,  even though I have a couple of disagreements with him (more in the strategic realm than in the philosophical realm,  but the fact remains that the majority of the public has no idea who Larken Rose is.  

I really see no problem with a person running for political office as long as they run on a fairly strong pro-liberty platform (as in they call for large,  across the board cuts in government).  I will say that I think that it is a waste of time for the Libertarian Party to run candidates who stray so far from libertarian philosophy that they really shouldn't even be called libertarians,  like the last three Libertarian Party presidential tickets.  Bob Barr,  Gary Johnson,  Bill Weld,  etc...,  were not really libertarian,  and running candidates like this is actually counterproductive.  

Libertarians are not in a position where they can realistically contest for President,  so the point of running is not to win,  it is to get the message out,  and to build the movement.  

If Adam Kokesh's campaign can get more people questioning whether we really need a federal government,  that's a good thing.  If Adam Kokesh can get more people to read his book,  Freedom,  that's a good thing.  If Adam Kokesh can get more people to watch his large library of videos on YouTube and DTube,  that's a good thing.  

Also,  the more people that are exposed to Adam Kokeh;s campaign,  the more people who will look into libertarianism,  and the more people who will discover other figures in the movement,  like Larken Rose.