Take this quick quiz to discover you're actually an anarchist. by mattclarke

anarchy · @mattclarke · Aug 13 '18 (edited)

$4.23

Take this quick quiz to discover you're actually an anarchist.

<h3>There's only one question, so it shouldn't take long.</h3> 

Most people perceive anarchists as short-sighted, dangerous, selfish, idealistic children, who lack the imagination to fully comprehend the chaos and misery we'd suffer in the absence of government. 

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- *You'd be first to beg for police help when warlords come and take over.*
- *Wait til you get sick and need our free public health care.*
-  *Some people are poor and need that help just to survive. What if you fell on hard times?*

We can debate these and other points, but I'd like to put them all aside to ask a simple question.

<h3>If there were a button you could push to permanently end my relationship with the state; and I asked you to push it, would you?</h3>

I'm not saying I'd be better off. I might be murdered and cannibalised by roving hordes of vicious, stateless vagabonds before sundown. 
**That's not the point.**
You can be absolutely convinced that my life would be horrific and short from the moment you push the button, but you're also convinced that I'm certain I want you to; would you do me that favour?

Some people dodge the question and suggest I can end my relationship with the state by claiming, *you're free to leave the country*, but there are two problems with that.

- I'm not free to leave, I'm free to ask permission to pay to leave with as much or as little of my stuff as I'm permitted to take.
- [Countries don't actually exist.](https://steempeak.com/anarchy/@mattclarke/countries-don-t-exist-continents-and-cities-exist-but-countries-are-imaginary)

**So, instead of leaving the entire continent on which I was born, let's flesh out this hypothetical a little better.** 

If you push the button, I instantly and permanently lose all the rights and responsibilities of citizenship, residency and personhood. 

I don't need to pay any taxes, and only face police action if I threaten or attack someone, or damage their property. 

I can't use any services provided by the government to its citizens. I can't travel on roads, (although I can cross them), can't get any sort of public health care or emergency assistance and can't use Australian dollars. 

<h2> Now I can't reach that button myself, will you press it for me?</h2>

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Most people I've asked have said, *Yes*. 
It might be because they like me, it might be because they think I'm an ungrateful idiot and want to see me suffer, but pretty much everyone has said, *Yes.*

We have an innate sense of fairness that assumes people should be able to end relationships to which they don't consent. 
You're dying of cancer, but you should still be able to fire your oncologist when he suggests another round of chemotherapy. He shouldn't be able to impose mandatory treatment on you, even if it's to keep you alive. 

Now you might think that ending one's relationship with the state is a terrible idea, but if you believe that I should be free to do so; then you believe people should be able to opt out of their relationship with the government. 

<h1>That makes you an anarchist.</h1>

Welcome to the club, (tell Debbie over there your size and she'll get you sorted with a T-shirt.)

You might want to keep paying taxes and getting ambulances yourself, and none of us have a problem with that. If you want some old guy you've never met, thousands of miles away making your decisions for you; we honestly wish you the best.
As long as you don't want the same thing imposed on those who want out, you're an anarchist.

We're not about torching cop cars or bombing the post office; we're just philosophically consistent. Where most people hold **consent** to be paramount in sexual relationships we extend that to **all** relationships. 

<h2>A relationship you can't end is an abusive one, even if the other party is convinced you can't live without them.</h2>

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<center><h2>As long as I follow @the-canary, you'll know I'm posting freely.</h2></center>

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@crystalhuman · Aug 13 '18

$0.13

I don't need a quiz to tell me that! lol but I'll read your post now :D

👍 mattclarke

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@moniroy · Aug 13 '18

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Beautiful. Post friends

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@crystalhuman · Aug 13 '18

LMAO wtf is this :D :D :D

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@crystalhuman · Aug 13 '18

$0.30

> It might be because they like me, it might be because they think I'm an ungrateful idiot and want to see me suffer

Either way they would be doing you a huge favor 

now, where's Debbie?  :D

👍 mattclarke

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@mattclarke · Aug 13 '18

What are you, a 6? We have a few V-necks out back :)

👍 crystalhuman

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@crystalhuman · Aug 13 '18

$0.15

Not sure, that must be an Aussie size lol

👍 mattclarke

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@givonwayne · Aug 13 '18

Sorry, I failed your test.  I would encourage you  to follow your dreams.   Would Auroville, India  suit your ideals?  https://youtu.be/8oUBTFe7PV4

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@bifilarcoil · Aug 19 '18

$0.04

thanks for that

👍 dustsweeper, givonwayne

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@immarojas · Aug 26 '18

i would wanna check that out!

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@bifilarcoil · Aug 19 '18

$0.03

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👍 dustsweeper, givonwayne

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@ssg-community · Aug 13 '18

Thank you for your continued support of SteemSilverGold

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@welshstacker · Aug 13 '18 (edited)

$0.16

Hi Debbie, I'm a XXL. ✌️I'll push yours, if you push mine.??

👍 mattclarke

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@itstime · Aug 13 '18 (edited)

$0.15

> If there were a button you could push to permanently end my relationship with the state; and I asked you to push it, would you?


Where have I heard that before ?


I think you know my honest answer ...it is yes* but with conditions applied...

You as an individual may have a net positive or net negative contribution to the society ( collective pool) , people smarter than myself should be able to quantify that and once that is settled you should be able to live on an island by yourself with no interference.

No, that does not make me an anarchist , it just means I honor a person's agency for making their own life decisions.


> (although I can cross them)

This means?

👍 mattclarke

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@mattclarke · Aug 13 '18

I can't use roads as a service, but they can't act as a prison. 
If I can't cross roads, then I can't travel far.

👍 itstime

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@itstime · Aug 13 '18

makes sense...

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@jacobtothe · Aug 24 '18

There is no collective. Society is merely shorthand for the interactions of individuals. If individuals are not interacting through consent, what is the justification for coercion?

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@itstime · Aug 24 '18

I can't think of many issues where 100% of folks would interact through voluntary consent ..what do you suggest we should do in that case? not make any collective decision ?


“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”

― Someone important in history

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@full-measure · Sep 5 '18

> you should be able to live on an island by yourself with no interference.

that's so considerate of you.

can he live on an island-- or maybe even not an island-- with some of his friends who aren't like you and won't be trying to bother and take from him? or he has to be all alone?

if he lives happily with other people, you're saying you'll ask the state to not allow that?

> No, that does not make me an anarchist , it just means I honor a person's agency for making their own life decisions.

If you DID honor a person's agency for making their own decisions, then you'd be an anarchist.

But you're right, you're not one. Because you don't. Your answer to his question apparently has to do with "conditions applied" and whether smart people could quantify his contribution to the collective pool, or some sort of nonsensical string of words.

👍 cheneats

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@zerokun · Aug 13 '18

You are not an anarchist 
![giphy (8).gif](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmQqVXBW3SFjWasEVR2eJTpEAEZ8Mk2PxNvWVhhSM8h5Su/giphy%20(8).gif)

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@mattclarke · Aug 13 '18

Am so.

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@zerokun · Aug 13 '18

$0.15

I think you didn't see the tv show Mr. robot, it's about a anarchist XD

👍 mattclarke

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@liquidtravel · Aug 14 '18

$0.17

definitely yes!  I would love for someone to push mine as well if it were not for my children.  Too young to understand but one day they will and I plan on making sure they understand what is truly important.

👍 mattclarke, liquidtravel

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@galenkp · Aug 14 '18

$0.38

>Welcome to the club, (tell Debbie over there your size and she'll get you sorted with a T-shirt.)

I've been in the club for a long time but so glad to hear the shirts are coming out now!

👍 mattclarke, jacobtothe

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@cryptocopy · Aug 14 '18

$0.16

Here's my issue with your test. What if I don't believe the button exists? What if I believe that no matter how much you want to end your relationship with the state, and even if I want you to be able to end that relationship, what if I know in my heart of hearts that you can't end it. And me, being the kind of person who doesn't want you to have false hopes, will not even imagine that button, much less press it for you?

👍 mattclarke

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@mattclarke · Aug 14 '18

If you want to be able to end my relationship with the state, then you're an anarchist.
The button is just as imaginary as the government. 
There are buildings and cars, uniforms and guns, and words on paper; but they're not **government.**
They're just stuff. Government is only in our heads.

👍 cryptocopy, jacobtothe

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@cryptocopy · Aug 14 '18

Haha! You got me there. I still can't accept myself as an anarchist. But, I will concede that some of my beliefs coincide with anarchism. Although, these days, I feel so much discontent with my government, that those beliefs seem inevitable. 

But, at the end of the day, whether the government is imaginary, corrupt, inefficient, and even useless, I still think we need some semblance of government to keep things from deteriorating into a *The Walking Dead* type of situation.

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@kingaustral · Aug 15 '18

$0.14

Im posting in spanish because my lack of vocabulary, sorry.
Creo que el anarquismo como ideal, está ligado directamente a la condición humana. Lamentablemente, vivimos un anarco capitalismo totalmente salvaje, donde los ciudadanos hacen su voluntad más allá de las leyes y los valores cooperativistas. Rothbard lo presagió, y no es casual que de sus ideas supuestamente progresistas, naciera el noe liberalismo que sufre gran parte del mundo (sino todo el mundo). Es nuestra responsabilidad como humanidad devolverle el rumbo al movimiento libertario, y no permitir que se torne un transhumanismo libertario como está siendo promocionado a través de los tecnócratas. Los ludditas sabían lo que hacían cuando destruían las máquinas de coser...

👍 mattclarke

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@dynamicrypto · Aug 18 '18

$0.14

Fellow Anarchist and new follower here sir! So many freedoms taken and everyone just sits by and thinks its for the best...

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@zappos · Aug 18 '18

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@article61 · Aug 19 '18

$0.13

very thought provoking post, love it! You have given me much to ponder with this one, but totally agree with your thinking. Choice is everything.

👍 mattclarke

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@mattclarke · Aug 19 '18 (edited)

$0.02

Thanks heaps. Nice to drill down to the basic concept instead of wading through a marsh of what-ifs.
Also, thanks for the resteem. Appreciate it :)

👍 article61

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@article61 · Aug 20 '18

That seems to be a good part of steemit, folks seem to be a bit more forward thinking. Hey, you're welcome it was a great post.

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@bifilarcoil · Aug 19 '18

$0.12

Interesting post, i'm sure i'm no anarchist.The problem is that even with anarchy there will be corruption.  Or will anarchy do away with all the money as well?

I'm still learning about all of this...

👍 mattclarke

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@mattclarke · Aug 19 '18

**Hey. Thanks for dropping by. If you'd push the button, then you're an anarchist, as confronting as that might sound.** 
Some anarchists want to do away with money, but that would involve a government, which makes them pretty bad at being anarchists. Money's not a bad thing. It solves the 'Double coincidence of wants problem' which plagues barter. 
Corruption is when people are given power to do a thing, then use that power to enrich themselves instead. In a free market your only power comes from your customers. 
If you misuse it, or are even suspected of misusing it, you lose those customers to a competitor.
**Lots to think about; but regardless of where you land in any given moment; as long as you're still thinking, you're on the right path.**

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@bifilarcoil · Aug 19 '18

no i'm not :-P

LOL

I'm not an atheist either even though I have pushed the religion button a long time ago.

Once i lock myself into any ism i'm a slave of that ism, 
I try to be a free man. Without ism... Pushing that button would for me shake up the status quo and without going into any ism i would hope this button would offer me more freedom.
Something like that...
But non the less thank you for providing that button here to allow me to discover this unintended option! :-D

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@nuthman · Aug 19 '18 (edited)

$0.11

So I followed you over from the Steemmonster page and found your quite interesting blog :)

I would suggest that the definition of anarchist in this context simply means 'Absolute freeedom', such as that possessed by the very few un-contacted tribes left in the world. 

This is a bit of a synchronicity to me because I recently have been (quite randomly) watching a bunch of youtube videos about these last remaining free people living in the jungles of various parts of the world. The _abusive relationship_ that you speak of is a form of slavery that is so ingrained into us as a society that it has become a basic norm. 

I suppose recognizing it is similar to a Buddhist awakening of sorts. When you read about attainments in meditation it turns out that you aren't gaining anything, but you are losing incorrect perceptions and and psychological chains/burdens are dropped from the mind. In the same way we are unwitting prisoners to governing systems but are unaware of how miserable it is making us!

👍 mattclarke

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@novacadian · Aug 20 '18

>So, instead of leaving the entire continent on which I was born, let's flesh out this hypothetical a little better.

Hypothetical is one thing. Impossible is another. 😎

My feeling is that one should find their community, seek self sufficiency and work to decentralize central authority one law at a time. Be nice if there was such a button... maybe. 😎

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@creatr · Aug 20 '18

$0.24

Matt!

So sorry I missed this, but there's a simple remedy:

Please reply to this comment and I will [**suitably reward your response**](https://steemit.com/steemit/@creatr/steemit-tip-how-to-reward-good-articles-after-the-payout-period-has-expired) in lieu of having been here "on time."

Cheers!

😄😇😄
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👍 mattclarke

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@mattclarke · Aug 20 '18

$0.76

Thankyou mate. Appreciate it.

👍 creatr

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@creatr · Aug 20 '18

$0.02

Wish my vote were worth more to you... ;)

👍 creatr

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@bobaphet · Aug 25 '18

$0.29

I think that the modern day negative perception of anarchy is a mindless formulation from the overplay of 70's British skinhead comedy.
It's on TV bruh, must be real XD
Re-education is what's needed.
Steemit is the classroom :)
Peace.

👍 mattclarke

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@mattclarke · Aug 25 '18

Peace, brother.

👍 bobaphet

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@immarojas · Aug 26 '18

$0.11

Small please Matty.

👍 mattclarke

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