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There's been some people whining about it and that's fine. Codes are codes after all. There's provision in the DAO for anyone who believes they were unfairly blocked. 

The people on the list were racially motivated to vote for tron sock puppets. This happened long before the exclusion list existed and was made public. Therefore, it is related to race.

But yeah pretty ridiculous to relate it to race.

> If people are opposed to Hive, then I see no problem excluding them from an airdrop - while still giving them all the same access and rights as everyone else.

I think my problems with the exclusion list is the fact that we've interpreted that single action of voting for a puppet or two as direct opposition to decentralisation. Dare I say it that not everyone who voted for those puppets support censorship. They could have voted for so many possible reasons. Maybe they were sympathetic because someone's stake got frozen, maybe they didn't like that the witnesses took that action without the community's input. 

Not supporting the SF 22.2 doesn't directly mean one is against decentralisation. Voting for 5 sock puppets and 25 proper witnesses doesn't mean one is against decentralisation.

This exclusion list, just like SF 22.2, wasn't something the community had a hand in, or fully supported. Until yesterday, not one normal community member (aside the witnesses) knew what the exclusion list would look like. We can't really say the community decided in this case, because it didn't.

I hope it gets reversed.

>However, it was done using lines of code. It was not coded to exclude certain races or communities, but actions.

I agree that calling it an ethnic cleansing is ridiculous. The end results may be the same but that surely wasn't the intention.

That said pulling up the "code cant be racist" argument is as ludicrous as the people saying weed is a plant not a drug. This certainly could have been an ethnic cleansing attempt. A litteracy test was once used to exclude black people from voting.

>Certain people were excluded from a kind of 'airdrop', in which their tokens on Steem get copy-pasted 1:1 into Hive.

I would say its more like people were specifically excluded when the witnesses decided to copy literally everything else over.

>Nobody gets censored or controlled, and everybody - even Justin Sun - is still perfectly capable of signing in with an account on Hive. Everyone is also capable of getting upvotes and rewards, too.

Its pretty easy to make the argument that in this type of social media site where your investment helps earn your followers that copying over everybodies investment except the people you don't like is a form of censorship.

>In short, people are upset they are not getting free money.

Pretty sure they would be less upset if their nonfree money wasn't going to tank in price over this. Also, the exclusion list has literally nothing to do with Hive.

The exclusion list is based on attacking those who weren't 100 percent onboard with freezing justins account.

>These nuances are the human touch that was absent in the original code which, to be clear, was a rush job to get this whole migration done as quickly as possible. Everybody anticipated numerous problems and the announcement reflected as much. It's frankly amazing the Hive chain simply worked first time round!

The human touch argument is pretty poor as well. There was a "human touch" when the developers wrote the code as well. They made the choice to toss the blanket as widely as they did. 

Its not like everything was going to collapse if this thing had to be pushed off another couple of days. Thanks to this "rush job" an entire community + has been alienated and must now prove why they are worthy of the same benefits that literally every other steemian got.

>Nope. Everyone can still join Hive and express their counterviews all they want

An exclusion list based on not agreeing with a pretty controversial action is definitely a hostile to counterviews.

>Steemit, on the other hand

This is whataboutism. If your goal is merely to be less hostile then steemit then go ahead and pat yourself on the back.

Thank you for writing, Mobbs. I'd posted a comment earlier but I couldn't find it anymore. lol So, I'll try to do it again. 

> If people are opposed to Hive, then I see no problem excluding them from an airdrop - while still giving them all the same access and rights as everyone else.

I think that my problem with the exclusion list is that we've interpreted the single action of voting for 2 or 5 sock witnesses and 25 real witnesses to mean that a person is completely against decentralization. I think people may have voted for those sock accounts for several reasons. For example, some people may not have been comfortable with a blockchain freezing someone's stake. Some people may not have been comfortable with the fact that the decision was taken without the community ever knowing about it beforehand.

As such, I do not think that having a reservation for SF 22.2 directly means you're against decentralization. And I do see a lot of people getting caught in the crossfire, and being condemned because they voted both sides. When you're in the middle like that, it's hard to see whose side you're on. So, who gets to decide whether you're good or evil?

Another thing worth noting is that this exclusion list (just like SF 22.2), isn't directly the decision of the larger community. Until yesterday, no one in the Hive Discord server knew exactly what the list would look like. Hence, it would not be true to say that the community decided to exclude certain community members from the HF. As far as they knew, we're doing this to get away from STINC's stake. 

I hope it gets resolved, eventually.
I am sympathetic with this exclusion list because it could have been me. I never supported SF 22.2 because I think it was a hostile move. But it doesn't mean i was against the community. Who knows how many people like myself are there already?

You didn’t invite me to the party so I’m mad!

Boo hoo.

Clowns.

Greetings @mobbs.

Very timely and accurate, this contribution on the clarification of the "Exclusion List".
You know my case, I was added to the exclusion list, action that in this quieter hour I am trying to understand in all its magnitude.

If we evaluate the parameter that was considered to elaborate the list, evidently the immediate answer is that there is no injustice, however, I believe that the error lies in the choice of the parameter, this because in an objective way it does not allow to measure the two variables;

A.	The user openly opposed the Hive
B.	The user supported Justin Sun

I believe that a clearer mechanism should have been established whose parameter would measure the two variables in an objective manner, in this respect I refer to my case, I am not opposed to decentralisation, I have not voted for any proposal to support the centralisation of Justin Sun, since that proposal did not exist, and if it had existed I would have opposed it. I made the mistake of voting for the total number of witnesses (30 witnesses), and in completing the list of 22 to 30, incorrect witnesses came in.

I clarify that I am not upset, for not receiving free money, the fact is that being on the list I have been harmed, I say this because I have received insults in the channels of the Discord, and I began to receive hostile messages in my last post.

In my 2 years on the STEEM platform, I have invested time in creating content for our academic communities of reference #SteemSTEM and #STEM-spanol, on the other hand, I have also prudently invested economic resources to increase my SP, and to see that my account was not considered in the launch of Hive is something discouraging, First because Although I have access and rights like everyone else, I don't have the resource credits at Hive to do my job as I have been doing, and although I have already put my STEEM account into Power Down, by the time those resources are available they will probably be worth zero ($0), plus the possibility of investing is unstable and more so in these times of turmoil.

I hope that this situation will be resolved and I can make normal use of the HP in HIVE, since it is clear that I do not wish to continue in the STEEM platform, however, I am clear that this will be a community decision.

In advance, I appreciate the receptivity and support I have received in the last hours from @mobbs, @lemouth and @carloserp-2000.