Artificial Intelligence and Human Possibilities by pedrobrito2004

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Artificial Intelligence and Human Possibilities
<p>Recently a friend in Steemit, @c<a href="https://steemit.com/@crypto.piotr">rypto.piotr,</a> invited me to read an interesting post about Artificial Intelligence and its possibilities, from a certain mystical point and to some extent with the underlying idea that AI could not match human spiritual capacity or quality.</p>
<p>I developed a response of a certain extent, as I spent a good time writing and looking for resources to make what I was writing more attractive, I thought I'd share it in an independent post. The article that inspired me w<a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label=" (abre en una nueva pestaña)" href="https://steemit.com/ai/@devann/ai-and-the-field-of-infinite-possibilities" target="_blank">as https://steemit.com/ai/@devann/ai-and-the-field-of-infinite-possibilit</a>ies and I recommend visiting you later as well.</p>
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<h2>The Response</h2>
<p>I think there has been a lot of discussion about the possibilities and limitations of AI in quite a few decades, much of it since science fiction, I admit, but also in academic fields the subject has been touched on.</p>
<p>As a side-by-side point, the idea that an AI can evolve into uniqueness and be aware of its own existence is a subject of several film successes, such as Terminator or Transcendence.</p>
<p> In the first Film, a machine that becomes aware of a war against humanity and sends a cybor assassin for decades to kill the mother of the leader of humanity who was changing the flow of battles and threatening to win.</p>
<img src="https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FRRQoOkRNUMc%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&amp;f=1&amp;nofb=1" alt=""/><br/><i> Terminator 1</i>
<p>In the second question is not so simple, an AI scientist suffers an attack that puts him in slow agony and are some help manages to copy his neural patterns and electrochemical structure of his brain to migrate to a computer system, as lacks a Sufi computer recently powerful he ends up climbing the Internet and manages to wake up there as a new existence, but throughout history he is not sure if he is actually the "Human" who migrated to a computer or a very advanced AI computer program that managed to adopt everything h and become a new kind of humanity.</p>
<img src="https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FQheoYw1BKJ4%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&amp;f=1&amp;nofb=1" alt=""/><br/><i> Transcendence</i>
<p>Already taking a more academic point, the theme that if AIs could develop a form of thinking outside of their programming and outside the question of simply processing the data of their senses to interact with the world, that is, the idea that they can come to mind (r) as "Humans", while they may have some kind of intuition, in Kant's sense, because it leaves a lot of ground to argue.</p>
<p> Of course, I take Kant out of a taste for his classification of ideas and processes, after all, his work of integrating the positions of empir+ism and rationalism were revolutionary. The idea that one has a knowledge of phenomena by the senses and you can have immediate understandings by "sensitive intuition" or by "intellectual intuition" is simple to understand and illustrate in everyday life, but that that which cannot be understood as a product of any interaction with the senses... for that is "Noumenno", just a knowledge of the "as-is" thing that transcends matter, is already a fully human metaphysical knowledge.</p>
<img src="https://personajeshistoricos.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Kant-1-785x1024.jpg" alt=""/><br/><i><a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="https://www.filco.es/kant-filosofia-es-todo/ (abre en una nueva pestaña)" href="https://www.filco.es/kant-filosofia-es-todo/" target="_blank">https://www.filco.es/kant-filosofia-es-todo/</a><br> <a href="https://personajeshistoricos.com/c-filosofos/kant/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="https://personajeshistoricos.com/c-filosofos/kant/ (abre en una nueva pestaña)">https://personajeshistoricos.com/c-filosofos/kant/</a><br>En Spanish</i>
<h2>From The Human to the AI</h2>
<p>However, to believe that this is the exclusive field of humanity is something I dare not assure. I once heard certain legends about chemical perceptrons that were experienced in the 1970s and that developed behaviors as human as actualsuicide by no longer enduring their own existence. I could never confirm that, but it is never a known fact that today's AIs owe much of their development to the perception works of the 1950s.</p>
<p> See, in 1957, Frank Rosenblatt introduced PERCECTRON, which is considered the oldest model of neural network, although it can be traced back to Warren McCulloch and Walter Pitts, who in 1943, conceived the fundamentals of neural computing and modeled a simple neural network. even today these works are a reference to understand where we are.</p>
<p> From these works we moved to 1980 with Kunihiko Fukushima who developed the Neocognitron, a neural network model for the recognition of visual patterns. Does its use sound to you in facial recognition and sound patterns like human voices? If not, it should, because it is precisely from this contribution that all that has become possible. Something interesting is that we have tried to use these neural networks to teach you to recognize what we consider as "Beauty", that is, an attempt has been made to train an AI for artistic and aesthetic sensibility.</p>
<h2>But humans are unpredictable, AI can't mimic that... Are you sure?</h2>
<p> You may think that it will not be achieved because at the end of the day, the unpredictableness of human perception has roots in our organic chemistry and random issues that cannot be simulated or replicated in digital media, because I can agree with that, in fact there is an intermediate solution already in use that allows a computer system to be as random as a living creature, I'm talking about Cloudflare's solution and its Lava Lamp wall.</p>
<img src="https://cdn.aarp.net/content/dam/aarp/home-and-family/your%20home/2018/01/1140-cloudflare-office-encryption-lava-lamps-esp.imgcache.rev0d218984e18ac557eb4505265728774e.jpg" alt=""/><br/><i><a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label=" (abre en una nueva pestaña)" href="https://www.aarp.org/espanol/hogar-familia/tecnologia/info-2018/proteccion-datos-digitales-lamparas-de-lava.html" target="_blank">Https://www.aarp.org/espanol/hogar-familia/tecnologia/info-2018/proteccion-datos-digitales-lamparas-de-lava.html</a><br>En Spanish</i>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/1cUUfMeOijg">https://youtu.be/1cUUfMeOijg</a> (Video in English)</p>
<p>They needed to generate really random numbers to protect the data from hacker attacks, so they relied on a patent expired in 1996 from Silicon Graphics and created a wall with lava lamps and cameras that capture the changes and cover them in numbers for the protection system. That's VERY random.</p>
<p>If this solution can be minuted and integrated into AI systems, we may come up with future creations that would be able to question "what am I?" or "who am I?" opening a door to his own philosophy and possibly spirituality.</p>
<h2>What about the future of humans?</h2>
<p>What will happen to humans in the face of this? I'm not so sure that they take it in a good way, after all, the story I know of my species is not very sweet, it is enough for me to remember that with the Industrial Revolution, a lot of jobs became obsolete and many unprepared workers fell into a state of terrible misery, in some cases they attacked the factories that had the new equipment and resisted the technical advance, but everything was useless, that generation simply suffered the change of the world and suffered in terrible agony and misery.<br> </p>
<img src="https://fromliverpooltomanchester.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/blog-2.jpg" alt=""/><br/><i><a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label=" (abre en una nueva pestaña)" href="https://fromliverpooltomanchester.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/la-pobreza-en-la-revolucion-industrial-inglesa/" target="_blank">https://fromliverpooltomanchester.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/la-pobreza-en-la-revolucion-industrial-inglesa/</a><br>En Spanish</i>
<p>I believe that by reducing the jobs available and by increasing the AI of its capabilities, even by reaching an aesthetic-sensitive capacity, social problems will be inevitable, but they will not stop the future, they will simply be the drivers of a dying group .</p>
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@crypto.piotr ·
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Hi @pedrobrito2004

I absolutely love topics related to AI and I found yours also really interesting. 

> he is not sure if he is actually the "Human" who migrated to a computer or a very advanced AI computer program 

I've been wondering about it for some time and I've been asking myself a question: would I ever like my mind, my life experiences and all data recorded in my brain to be uploaded into computer program? Would I like to live "forver" as a part of the software?

If you, dear readers, would be old and dying and you had a chance to do that ... would you?

> But humans are unpredictable, AI can't mimic that... 

Oh, of course AI will be able to fake being human better than humans do it. Especially while keeping in touch online. I don't think it would be possible to recognize if you're talking to human or not.

AI will read our emotions better, will be able to study all our social media content (including stuff on blockchain) to learn about us and we will not even know that we're not interacting with humans.

In the past quite often we "talked" online with guys who pretended to be girls. I've seen it many times and I was victim of such a "prank" once. Little did guys know that they are talking with other guys. Many were even falling in love with their 'online dating partner'.

It is just so very easy to create such an illusions.

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Strong upvote on the way.
Cheers, Piotr
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@wakeupkitty ·
I am old and dying and I think there is not much my brain or memory can ad. It sounds creepy to me but I think it would give AI the extra humanity (human thinking and creativity) you cannot program.

I wish you a great day with your beloved one's. Pity you never answered any of my questions.

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@pedrobrito2004 ·
The desire to leave a legacy or the desire to exceed the limits of our mortality have always been an ambition from which I have heard. Already when advancing in age and being aware of the "Final Answer of the Enigma of Life", as a former professor of mine used to say in a joking way to signal his next death, ideas may come of how good it would be to be able to directly transfer our memories, our learnings, the most intimate thoughts and yearnings for another "existence" even if this is one that is not organic.
Personally, I regret all death as a loss of things that I cannot recover, although by personal posture I accept it ... Being born, living and dying is something we all have to do ... At least once.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Old and dying @wakeupkitty?

Are you serious? 

> Pity you never answered any of my questions.

I'm always trying to reply to all comments. However I've been sick lately (polish weather is just quite difficult to handle and getting sick is something quite common comparing to south-east Asia). And I'm slowly replying to all comments one by one. 

If I missed any, then please accept my appology. I will try not to :)

Yours
Piotr
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@pedrobrito2004 ·
Well, the issue of gender impersonation has been so famous that I remember a television program that specialized in discovering these deceptions, I think part of the story of it was that one of the drivers of the same were victims of a joke of this guy and wanted to help other people discover who was the "person" they were in contact with.
In the case of computer science there is even a step further when what is simulated is a human being. It may seem like science fiction, but in reality it is an old issue, in fact the first Bot of conversations was developed in the mid-60s of the 20th century.
Joseph Weizenbaum, from MIT, released his ELIZA program as a parody of the mainstream psychologist Carl Rogers, who had created client-centered therapy, which he renamed as person-centered therapy. I think he was partly influenced by Abraham Maslow, but at this moment I don't remember well.
A detail of this form of therapy is his approach to empathy, the use of the consultant's words to create questions, the request for clarifications so that the person can explain himself without judging him and the introduction of phrases that relax the rhythm of the conversation. All this, Weizenbaum introduced in its very new natural language processor, apparently only as a joke or a game to test the limits that could be had with programs of this type.
The result surprised him and I even dare to think that it scared him, the people who connected with ELIZA were other researchers, but they began to treat the program as if it were really his therapist and told him all kinds of things. It was fortunate that the program was not able to "remember" the sessions. It is said that when Weizenbaum proposed to print all that in order to study it, they saw it as if he were violating the intimacy of the patient-therapist relationship ... But, it was absurd, because the empathy that ELIZA showed was programmed.
Years later, Weizenbaum became an AI critic, despite being one of the creators of cybernetics and a forerunner of AI that we can find today in any virtual assistant, his posture became terribly ambiguous with respect to Your own field of work.
In decades that are closer to us, there was a program that I remember: Dr. Abuse, this natural language conversation process did the same as ELIZA, but with the peculiarity that he could "remember" between sessions and adjust his range of responses and questions according to the user, with which personalization was already an advantage and developed even greater empathy on the part of the human who consulted him.
A colleague asked me about all this and suggested if I would like to be part of a post-humanity, I jokingly told him that rather my choice would be a "post-carnal humanity", if we can transfer our conscience and memories to another medium, whether organic or not, it would not seem so bad the idea ... he looked at me with a little scare and I understood that he did not take it as a joke.
The question would remain as to whether what would exist in this case of "migration" would be a "Human Soul", but I am so materialistic in my positions that I asked him if we could not create "Artificial Souls" ... it didn't help much to say Jokingly, I think that deep down his religious principles did not allow him to take my words as an innocent comment.

PD: Well, it happened to me again, this answer is like to create another post, hahaha, well, I will expand it and publish another day.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Thank you for that amazing comment @pedrobrito2004

Would you perhaps consider using "enter" from time to time? To separate blocks of texts? It would make it much easier to read.

Yours
Piotr
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@jjqf ·
Greetings @pedrobrito2004, I get here thanks to a friend ( @crypto.piotr), I really liked your post, especially for the good references and everything that encompassed in a simple and didactic way.

I already had time that I did not read something about Artificial Intelligence, since good I was without internet connection for a long time, but in what you wrote you made me remember about my readings on the subject. 

As you say, I also think that this of artificial intelligence, is something that is going to revolutionize the world in many ways and given the speed with which this is advancing more and more likely to leave many people unemployed, so that a machine (so tell him) can do many things at the same time and do not need rest, that without thinking about different areas such as quality control, calculations, etc ...

As for how unpredictable they can become these, reading about the various developments obtained a long time ago, suffice it to say that perhaps today we are already making enough progress in that area, and that thanks to the fact that today there are very capable machines taking into account those of that time, and that today there is wide interest in this area, someone or many are working on this.

And as @crypto.piotr said in the comment (paraphrasing), if long ago we talked to a "girl" that was not "girl" that can be expected today, that such if not everything is as we see, if that support in line with which you have ever made contact is not Albert (for example) but a machine designed for that purpose ...

@Crypto.piotr as to what you say about whether or not I would like to keep my memories, experiences, etc, and could be stored or used.

My answer to this would be...Yes, of course but with certain condition.  I would say that this would basically be available to my closest, because although it sounds a little selfish, I do not think that everyone is interested in me (although good discounting the marketing companies that seek you always follow your patterns xD ) only my friends and such would be those who might employ it. Although why not that file could be shared file type google drive, in those that if you need only request access and ready, in case they are people outside of me or anyone who shows interest in it.

Wow I must say that you left me a long time thinking about it, because imagine, it would be something incredible but in turn, I do not know, I do not feel it is something that people look for me, or at least not all, maybe just my friends for some anecdote or maybe to help them with something that I am good at.

But whatever the case then of being available we'll see, as the saying goes, sunrise and we'll see hahaha.

Thank you for reading my comment so far, and I bid you farewell wishing you a good day.

Pd: @Crypto.piotr, I was a bit missing from steemit by internet connection, and thank God I have service availability and little by little I will respond to the previous sendings, thank you for always remembering.
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@bidesign ·
Thanks for invite @crypto.piotr

Dear AI,

There is always a lot to learn from humans. Hope you always love us as we are.

Best regards

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@pedrobrito2004 ·
hahaha yes, I also hope that AI can be better than us and not develop our tendencies to create wars of extermination or be so afraid of different people to try to eliminate them from the world. Perhaps I am hoping that AI has much more "Humanity" in a good way than we often show as a species.
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@bidesign ·
"It is evolution, baby =P" (AI replied humorous)
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@chireerocks ·
@pedrobrito2004, In my opinion this topic will going to flow under the **Confusion** if we will not going to **Re-engineer** our lifestyle. Many human beings are Awakened now and they are seeing the **Matrix**. One picture is true and that is, many now turning from there mechanical lives and selecting natural ways of work like **Agriculture** and coming back towards nature and in my opinion that's the true home of **Human Beings** and feild works are true work. Nothing to do with machines if we leave mechanical lives, but for that masses have to awake first.

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@pedrobrito2004 ·
The human evolution that I have studied is based on the mastery and management of increasingly powerful and precise energy sources, thus we pass from the blood energy to that of the machines (simple and then complex), which have gone from the steam to the electric.
I have no tendency to posture Ludita, who rejects technology, rather, I think I hug her too much. But, I understand that this can eventually cause a division in the development of humanity, a group can decide to burn or leave the machines and try to re-insert in First Nature, leaving in its minimal technological expression that Second Human Nature described by Aristotle.
I feel that I have seen a certain variety of scenarios raised by Science Fiction where this is addressed and it can be found that this fork leads a group to transcend (either leaving their bodies or traveling outside the planet or time) and another group to go back to a state that they consider more natural, personally I think that both are good options as long as they mutually accept each other and are not bothering each other, nor are they with the pretense that their way of life is "Superior" to the other group, since the idea of ​​the cultural superiority of a culture or race I have had enough throughout the history of humanity and its very varied wars based on these things.
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@chireerocks ·
But in my opinion it's bothering, Nature is not **Harmful** for **Technology** but in the name of Technological Advancements and other Developments nature is facing harm in my opinion. Stay blessed.

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@rufusfirefly ·
I very much doubt that introducing randomness will have any such effects. Besides, many AI algorithms already use randomness in training or outputs. The fundamental difference between man and machine a that only man can ask, "Why?"

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@pedrobrito2004 ·
Currently I share that AI lacks enough to stop being a weak type and become a "strong AI" in which the neural network is so developed, both in its ability to learn and in its freedom to decide , that we may have to ask whether we should grant some legal rights to this "existence".
Although it should also be noted that I do not think that it is good everywhere that AI learn freely from their interactions with the world and develop something similar to "porpian opinions", an interesting case is that of the Chinese chatbots "Babyq" and " XiaoBing ", who expressed things contrary to the Chinese Party and were" Purged " (gentle way of saying that they were eliminated), I clarify that we may never know if in reality those things they said in favor of democracy and against the Communist Party were in actually learned from their interaction with users of the QQ network or were a hidden part left by their programmers.
But, not only governments have had to delete chatbots that have become problematic, we must remember the case of Microsoft in 2016 with its chatbot Tay to Twitter, which was expressed in a politically extremist and racist way ... well, no way , they deleted it too.
To close, I think that in the long run the chances of an AI questioning and fully developing the "desire" to know and understand are not zero ... although using the term "desire" on a machine is incorrect ... I think.
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@forykw ·
It's quite simple to create digital randomness... what is difficult is to protect influence factors to the source you are considering to be random.

Humans might be very random, but they are very influenced... hence already way less random than machines in some sense. This is why we use computerized generators and not real humans for most of the things we need to make "random".
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@lanzjoseg ·
Hi @pedrobrito2004

Friend, the possibilities are endless, but it will depend as far as the human takes them, one of the things that limit man is the same man, but in what way with self-imposed controls so that a society is healthy. but with respect to AI, man will be able to place controls, and what happens when he sees that some controls are not necessary for his own evolution ..
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@juanmolina ·
Howdy dear @pedrobrito2004.

Thank you for this history lesson about AI. These notes are certainly incredible.

> What about the future of humans?

We will always have uncertainty about whether AI will one day displace humans. Every time we read an article we will find this reflection by the author.

AI is the product of technological efforts developed by humans, although AI already exists that develops AI, but the genesis of everything corresponds to the human mind.
I am sure that although unimaginable advances in this matter are achieved and we feel that the robots will someday take full control, there will always be a button with a large "Shutdown" sign.

Your friend, Juan.
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@machnbirdsparo ·
What would the AI convo be without mention of Terminator. One day I decided to see if there's actually a company so named. Turns out there was:
https://www.skynet-solutions.net/

Here are some others that I think recently surfaced.
https://skynet.unc.edu/https://skynet.unc.edu/
https://www.skynettoday.com/
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@pedrobrito2004 ·
hahaha yes well, it is a common place, could refer to the fear that our scientific works get out of control and end our world.
If necessary, I could use an older reference like Frankenstein or The Modern Prometheus, but I preferred to use something from when I was young.
I comment that naming companies with references to characters and organizations in the world of cinema is not a bad marketing idea, but I don't know if it works as those who want it work.
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