<center><a href='https://d.tube/#!/v/rakkasan84/4t8qxhg2'><img src='https://dtube1.gateway.ipfsstore.it:8443/ipfs/QmfTND8ss3AnEuRzSH5oZyk68ofDMjAK3rNXGCYn7w6j69'></a></center><hr>Steemcleaners is supposed to help with plagiarism, spam, and abuse. It may work some of the time, and when it doesn't it just pisses off new users and chases them off the platform. We have 1,000,000 SP tied up in Steemcleaners that has the ability to completely destroy new users accounts when we could be helping them out. Reading through some comments left in response to steemcleaner's spam posts we see a lot of users who are just trying to bring their content over from other social media platforms. These users probably have no idea who steemcleaners are or how to reach out to them. It can be very unmotivating, as I've seen my wife's account tagged for accidentally using the wrong tag on a post. If a user has a problem with someone spamming comments their posts, why not leave it up to them to report it? Some new users may *only* get comments or upvotes from bots first starting out. I think you guys need to take away some of the automation in your downvoting and at least review the account to see if it is a pattern. Fighting bots with more bots seems pretty redundant. <hr><a href='https://d.tube/#!/v/rakkasan84/4t8qxhg2'> ▶️ Watch on DTube</a><br /><a href='https://earth.i.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmeFAneR5bb2Kt6FVgCFs79BjUX6R5BoxZX1qvPhXFLGET'> ▶️ Watch Source (IPFS)</a>
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They are thankfully not entirely bot run. I was able to get in touch with a few people and get the issue, from earlier today at least, taken care of. But I had to do that off steemit which is disappointing to some degree because it doesn't seem that there's a solid way for it to be dealt with/disputed on the platform. There definitely needs to be a bit more of a process as opposed to just coming in with a massive downvote/flag that completely obliterates any rewards or dialogue.
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I agree that an 'on platform' method is ideal. I see this as a Steemit inc issue since they have not incorporated any time of direct message or chat function (other than including a message in a 0.001 sbd transfer memo).
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Yup, I think you're exactly right that Steemit needs to put something in place. But regardless, this is supposed to be a place free of censorship for the most part. An account coming in and dropping a massive downvote and effectively censoring comments and posts because someone perceives them to be spammy doesn't exactly jive with that if you ask me.
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Sorry, I hope your text sums up the video, because I can't get Dtube videos to work on my computer. So, from my understanding, @steemcleaners never starts downvoting off the bat. There is always a warning message that comes first, unless, on their first inspection it is clearly a bot upvote farm account, or they find numerous(10, 20, 30) copy paste Posts or spam comments that show no content creation effort or originality by the account in question. Can you please link the aformentioned wife's account instance so that the readers of your blog can have a look for themselves? Have you, as a more experienced Steemit user, been in contact with @steemcleaners in order to seek resolution and guidance? I have seen people complaining about steemcleaners before, saying that there was no warning, but then on my own inspection, there were numerous instances of warning(without flagging) that happened.....end of story, or that happened BEFORE they did then followup with flagging. ANd if you don't mind, since you did stop by my blog to comment, I can assume that you read my blog post and the analogy to leaves.... would you care to comment on whether you felt this was a valid analogy, that combating spam is necessary (and honestly 1mil steem power to do it is infinitesimal for the current spam load). Or do you feel that ignoring spam is the ideal strategy... and why you feel this would not result in a massive amount of ever growing SP powered spam accounts. Thanks so much! I appreciate your thoughts!
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This is a completely rational comment that was flagged without warning by @rakkasan84, who is talking about the hypocrisy of basically just that. Hum. Wat.
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Beep! Beep! This humvee will be patrolling by and assisting new veterans, retirees, and military members here on Steem. @shadow3scalpel will help by upvoting posts from a list of members maintained by @chairborne and responding to any questions replied to this comment.
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I have seen this happen. We need a direct way of communicating with Steemit when we have a problem. A chat function perhaps? I agree that bots shouldn't be fighting bots. Innocent accounts get caught in the cross fire.
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Ok. I am here to ask @rakkasan84 to reconsider his recent actions. In this post he is complaining that @steamcleaners misuses their power and responsibility. However, in another breath he is behaving like a hypocrite and flagging another user, @public-eye, simply because he disagrees with him. ![Capture+_2017-11-15-18-29-32.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmapewHU9cyA9PRHM673xwxtpmZzjAyVECb37vSVhhKGbZ/Capture%2B_2017-11-15-18-29-32.png) You can see the flagged comment at the bottom of the comments below. Click on it and read for yourself if it justified a flag.
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I flag plagiarists and trolls, hope you don't fall into that category too.
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So you have removed your flags from @public-eye's comments?
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I do think the automated aspect of it can be a problem, I have also seen then automatically flag people, but it was resolved and removed after discussing with them.
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Have you seen what they are doing to @public-eye ? Seems a little hypocritical. Weird. Because as far as I can see @rakkasan's posts and behaviour were reasonable up until now.
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Just seeing this now and I agree the current rules are harsh. Many bloggers want all their content in one place. They don't want the first half of their blog on one website and the second half of it on another. So there's a few reasons not to bother joining steemit as a content creator. 1. Having to move all content across 2. Not being welcomed for moving their content across 3. Being able to monetise their blogs with advertising on their own websites
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root_title | "The Hypocrisy of Steemcleaners and How They Are Scaring Off New Users" |
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irony being this guy downvoted me without comment, or any explanation.
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author | klevn |
permlink | re-rakkasan84-4t8qxhg2-20171208t230424903z |
category | dtube |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "tags": ["dtube"]}" |
created | 2017-12-08 23:04:24 |
last_update | 2017-12-08 23:04:24 |
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children | 1 |
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author_reputation | 344,085,733,826 |
root_title | "The Hypocrisy of Steemcleaners and How They Are Scaring Off New Users" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
rakkasan84 | 0 | -31,977,679,571 | -100% |
I can keep going, if you like :)
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author | rakkasan84 |
permlink | re-klevn-re-rakkasan84-4t8qxhg2-20171208t230836614z |
category | dtube |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "tags": ["dtube"]}" |
created | 2017-12-08 23:08:36 |
last_update | 2017-12-08 23:08:36 |
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children | 0 |
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last_payout | 2017-12-15 23:08:36 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
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root_title | "The Hypocrisy of Steemcleaners and How They Are Scaring Off New Users" |
beneficiaries | [] |
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author_curate_reward | "" |
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---|---|---|---|---|---|
rakkasan84 | 0 | 31,338,125,980 | 100% |