RE: Everyone flagging @haejin. by schattenjaeger

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· @schattenjaeger ·
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Disagreement on rewards. Not that flagging ever needs to be explained. People don’t need to explain upvotes, why should they beed to explain their downvotes?

People really need to get over the ridiculous negative stigma that surrounds downvoting.
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@beggars · (edited)
The stigma around flagging seems to stem from the fact that it can be abused in itself to brigade Steemit users or be used to negatively affect a user in an unjust way. I have been flagged in retribution myself for flagging low-quality content and the author retaliating and coming and flagging some of my content. It's a flawed aspect of Steemit, at least in my opinion. It has its uses, but it's still a feature of Steemit that can be abused just as much as bots can be used to abuse upvotes.

The conversation on Steemit has definitely revolved around upvotes a lot, in particular, heavy-hitters on Steemit abusing voting bots to push trash to the trending page, which is something I am against wholeheartedly. Bots in themselves are not bad, but Steemians using them to get garbage trending should definitely be flagged and not rewarded.

I am not saying that flags or votes need to be explained, I just wanted to know what the story was with this @haejin situation, I've seen it has been going on for as long as I have been here and possibly longer.

I did some digging on @haejin and after I posted that comment and it seems he is continually raping the reward pool and is a heavy bot abuser. I can understand the frustration that people have with Haejin blatantly disrupting the site and causing serious financial imbalance.

I think this all highlights that Steemit as a platform has some serious platform-level issues that need to be resolved, whether that's a fork or a serious reworking on a code-level, something really needs to change because this platform isn't balanced at all.
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@seekanddestroy ·
It is THE flaw of Steemit. Technically nothing can ever be truly deleted on this platform - which is the second big flaw imo, just you wait until someone drops a motherload of child pornography on here and even big boy sanders up here can flag it all he wants it doesn't change the fact that it's THERE for other pedos to happily look at. But fuckers like this guy up here, or indeed any moneyed entity that wants to directly manipulate the flow of information is free to do so. Imagine if Steemit was as big as Reddit or Facebook, or the both of them combined, i.e. THE social forum of the internet. What's stopping the Chinese Communist party from buying a billion bucks worth of Steem and go to town downvoting every single mention of something negative pertaining to their government. Or Microsoft does the same and goes around flagging every open source project developer on the net, to make sure they have shit reputation and no one's ever gonna see their posts. Or literally any organised abuse like that. Sure if there's literally billions of people on the platform they can counter it, maybe. But what the fuck is 15 SP little guy gonna do about it? You would need hundreds of thousands of little guy upvotes just to counter one big fat downvote by a cashed up lunatic and his psychopath friends.

It's basically like this platform was made for information control and bullying.
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@seekanddestroy ·
I don't particularly support @haejin or know him or particularly care about what he is putting out, but if the platform can't handle someone like him then frankly there is no future for it. Do you think he's the only one in the world who gets on something when he sees a way to make money? The people here like to bitch on Youtube and Facebook not sharing the profits, well how much profit sharing are you happy with on Steemit? Because if you can't actually make a proper living posting here then it won't prosper. Because on Youtube and Twitch people who have a decent number of subscribers *do* make some thousand dollars for every video. Think Steemit can sustain that? If it can't, well what are we doing here? You have to look at the messaging here, this is the differentiating factor that sets Steemit apart from the others, the entirety of the selling point of the platform is the fact that it's profit shared. The fact that it's on the blockchain and can't be deleted and so forth is a valid proposal, but that's at best a backend feature most people don't actively seek out. Otherwise Facebook and Reddit and Youtube would be in flames right now.

So don't be mad at Haejin. He's doing what was bound to happen. Be more mad at insane people like this @berniesanders guy or @madpuppy and the likes of them, who unilaterally decide to abuse people with their Steem Power. Just look at this thread, berniesanders and his despicable posse nuked my comment gloating how I have a dead account. You want more of that? Like the real world isn't already full enough of rich people abusing others and basically get away with it. And then you have all the poor people in the world desperate to make money somehow for such lofty pursuits as you know, paying for rent and food. So if you want to do something about that, the platform has to address the wealth inequality in some technical form, otherwise it's basically there to be abused by bots, and people to be abused by whales.

I've never felt such real bullying on a platform before man. You bet I wouldn't be talking like this if I had an account with something to lose. What do you think a psychopath like @berniesanders is not gonna stalk me and just punish me for weeks on end, costing me real money? Like I'm gonna risk my fucking rent money talking shit at a powerful psychopath? Whereas on Reddit or Facebook you report the fucker and block him like bitch whatever lol. Until I see something that addresses this I'm gonna say I don't care about your bot issue dawg, especially not when it's used to upvote stuff that is definitely of objective worth, and many bots are already swinging that way.
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@abusereports ·
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@seekanddestroy is on the @abusereports blacklist for being a bad Steemian! Bad spammer, bad!
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@seekanddestroy ·
Downvotes here are like punching someone in the face, it carries a real punishment and you better believe you should explain yourself. To even think these two are in the same category.

Here's the ridiculous negative stigma around downvoting: you just put a bunch of work into something and post it up, and some guy comes along, blathering about things like reward pool and rules and whatnot, and hits you with like -10 dollars of a downvote for reasons that only make sense in their own retarded brain. When that happens to you, *then* you'll understand the ridiculous negative stigma around it.
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@berniesanders ·
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@seekanddestroy ·
Eat shit motherfucker. That's the only thing you can do.
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