"You Didn't Earn That" by sean-king

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· @sean-king ·
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"You Didn't Earn That"
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<p><a href="https://steemit.com/money/@logic/people-shouldn-t-be-rewarded-for-being-lucky-to-be-born-with-certain-facial-or-body-features-they-should-be-rewarded-for#@sean-king/re-logic-people-shouldn-t-be-rewarded-for-being-lucky-to-be-born-with-certain-facial-or-body-features-they-should-be-rewarded-for-20160805t023102154z">This</a> post by @logic got me thinking:  Why do we as a society believe that people who were born with brains or brawn, and exploit those assets for their economic benefit, have &quot;earned&quot; their way in the world, why those who were born with beauty, and exploit that asset for their economic benefit, have not?  Do we really  think that intelligence or eloquence or brawn are any less a function of DNA or social class or &quot;luck&quot; than...beauty?</p>
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<p>One person is born beautiful and gets upvoted in life as a result. Another is born eloquent and gets upvoted in life too.    Neither &quot;earned&quot; it.  Neither &quot;deserves&quot; it.  It's just luck of the genetic or social lottery, that's all.  </p>
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<p>Sure, maybe the intelligent person went to school and applied herself.  Does that mean she has &quot;earned&quot; her subsequent living?  No, at least no more than the beautiful one who spent equal amounts of time grooming, staying fit and studying make-up tutorials to look his very best so that he too could earn his way.</p>
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<p>We identify with intelligence and articulateness more than with our physical bodies simply because we irrationally believe that &quot;we&quot; are ultimately immaterial--that &quot;we&quot; are an inner essence, an inner intelligence, a soul that is separate from our material flesh.  Consequently, we seek to take credit for the former and can be easily dismissive of the latter. However, once we abandoned the illusion that we have an immaterial essence, as science suggests we should, we can take no more credit for &quot;our&quot; brilliance as &quot;our&quot; beauty, &quot;our&quot; stupidy as &quot;our&quot; ugliness.</p>
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<p>We are not our bodies.  And we are not our minds.  We deserve credit, or blame, for neither.  Give that, how about we cut ourselves, and each other, a little more slack?  How about we celebrate the exceptional among us in whatever form it appears?  Life's a lot more fun that way.   </p>
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<p><em>Photo credit:  Me.  Subject:  @steemed-open.</em></p>
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@havok777 ·
We are unexceptional. We are borg.
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@piranhax · (edited)
Speak for yourself,  I am the chosen one! I took the red pill  :D
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@taoofsatoshi ·
Yeah, and I know lots of people who just coast by in life and rely on their looks to get them through. Well, looks fade, and then whatcha got?
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@piranhax ·
Divorced living in a trailer, with a bad attitude.  :D
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@sean-king ·
I know a lot of people, professional atheletes as an obvious example, who just "coast by" in life and rely on their brawn and athleticism.  Well, brawn and athleticism fade, and then what they got?

I know others who coast by on intelligence.  And then even it fades, or their particular area of expertise becomes unneeded thanks to technological advances, and then what they got?  

There's really no difference between beauty, brawn and intelligence.
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@taoofsatoshi ·
So the moral of that story is not to rely on one aspect for too long, and try to have a well-rounded skill set.
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@joemz ·
### @sean-king, sometimes people will say *Life is so unfair!*

Well, it depends on the preference or perspective of an individual whether he/she values more the beauty or the eloquence of a person. And with that, we cannot judge them by doing that. 

For me, as long as we are doing the morally right things,then it's their problem if they don't see who we are and what we do in life!
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@nenad-ristic ·
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I think that the idea of inner essences has done incalculable damage to the human condition. I used to be extremely dismissive of people who made their way in life relying on beauty and brawn, but I have now accepted that intelligence is also arbitrary.

Great post!
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@blow ·
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@karnal ·
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Intelligence you have to develop and nurture. It is hard work, people respect that.

If you were born beautiful it was pure chance, and it takes only basic maintenance to keep that going. It does not take hard work, and people do not respect that.


Do you respect the bratty offspring who inherited a fortune? Do you respect that persons wealth?

Yeah, me neither.
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@faddat ·
No, you're not born beautiful.  It doesn't work that way.  Beauty comes from being well taken care of by your parents and then taking good care of yourself.  Dude, that takes work, @karnal.
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@sean-king ·
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What @faddat said.  Neither beauty nor intelligence mean much (as far as earning a living goes) until one is older, and by that time both must have been developed and nurtured to be effective.  Take the photo in my original post above as example.  The woman in that photo is 47 years old.  Yes, she was born with good genes that gave her the POTENTIAL to have a model's body, but she works incredibly hard to develop and nurture what "God" gave her.  Her diet is incredibly disciplined.  She does cardio, weights and yoga religiously.  And, to be honest, she invests a significant amount of money in maintenance--hair coloring, laser procedures, facials, skin care, etc.  

In short, intelligence takes no more development and nurture than beauty does, at least for those with a little age on them.
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@cloveandcinnamon ·
God is a creation of the brain, not a creation of a beautiful body. We are what we are because of our brains.
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@fishborne ·
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> Another is born eloquent and gets upvoted in life too. Neither "earned" it. Neither "deserves" it. It's just luck of the genetic or social lottery, that's all.

You are not born eloquent. You can be extroverted, have a disposition for more communication than others, have a social intelligence and an easiness to  relate to others. You can have a fluency in speaking or a sharp mind or a more pronounced sense of observation.  Yes, these can be genetic.

But you can improve all these with hard work. For example a child with speaking issues can be helped by a speech therapist.

So, you are not born eloquent. You have a disposition and a easiness  for fluency, sharp observation and so on.

> Does that mean she has "earned" her subsequent living? No, at least no more than the beautiful one who spent equal amounts of time grooming, staying fit and studying make-up tutorials to look his very best so that he too could earn his way.

There are so many and important differences between all types of effort that it's not fair to put on the same level a University Professor  and a Playmate. It's not fair from neither perspective.  A mechanic is working hard. A farmer also.  A doctor also.  But everybody is using different parts of the human being.  You know why a flight controller retirees  at 40 ? Because the responsibility, therefore the stress is maximum. It drains all the energy from that person. Should we compare it with a hostess ?

> We identify with intelligence and articulateness more than with our physical bodies simply because we irrationally believe that "we" are ultimately immaterial--that "we" are an inner essence, an inner intelligence, a soul that is separate from our material flesh. However, once we abandoned the illusion that we have an immaterial essence, as science suggests we should

We can't verify that this is true or false. Scientist just "say" we should liberate ourselves from the burden of religion (if we please). Because it harms us and there is nothing scientifically provable there.  I think this is the reason. They are humanist. They care about humans (and sacrifice most of their lives discovering medicines and cures for sick people).

> We are not our bodies. And we are not our minds. 

Of course. I completely agree. Our intelligence is one characteristic of a human being as beauty is or strength. But you know what ? Intelligence helped us more than beauty, sex, art.  I like all of them, I really appreciate it, but engineers build bridges, architects build houses, doctors "repair" us, philosophers help us understand the world outside and the chaos within...

> How about we celebrate the exceptional among us in whatever form it appears? Life's a lot more fun that way.

Of course. But, please don't put an equal sign between intelligence, power, beauty, strength, etc.  We all are useful in our way to each other. 

I know, the comment seems a negative one. I'm sorry for that. It wasn't my intention. I wanted to clarify some things, that's all.

I like this perspective, but in an slightly different way.

Cheers.
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@killerstorm ·
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>  Why do we as a society believe that people who were born with brains or brawn, and exploit those assets for their economic benefit, have "earned" their way in the world, why those who were born with beauty, and exploit that asset for their economic benefit, have not? 

It might be because to make use of that brain you have to study for years, and of top of that they have to work hard.

E.g. somebody whom you might call a genius coder probably spent 15 years studying and practicing before he got any economic benefit exploiting his brain. Nobody  was born with innate knowledge of programming/science/business etc.

On the other hand, beauty is natural. You don't have to work hard to attain it. Stuff you listed are largely optional. People who are naturally not very attractive have to compensate it with good make up and so on.
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@sean-king ·
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Neither beauty nor intelligence mean much (as far as earning a living goes) until one is older, and by that time both must have been developed and nurtured to be effective. Take the photo in my original post above as example. The woman in that photo is 47 years old. Yes, she was born with good genes that gave her the POTENTIAL to have a model's body, but she works incredibly hard to develop and nurture what "God" gave her. Her diet is incredibly disciplined. She does cardio, weights and yoga religiously. And, to be honest, she invests a significant amount of money in maintenance--hair coloring, laser procedures, facials, skin care, etc.

In short, intelligence takes no more development and nurture than beauty does, at least for those with a little age on them.  The idea that beauty is purely natural, and that the beautiful don't have to work incredibly hard to be and stay beautiful, is a slander.
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@orly ·
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I accept that people put effort into preserving/enhancing their natural beauty, however, I personally do not value these things.
I don't mind if a 47 year old looks older than a 30 year old, and I despise the whole 'beauty industry' of laser prcedures, facials, skin care products and so on. I don't believe these contribute to the betterment of either the individual or humankind.
I have to accept that others with a different value system may admire or reward such things but it doesn't change my opinion.
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@killerstorm ·
You were talking about someone who was "born with beauty". If you were born with it, chances are you will still be beautiful by the time you're 18. So you can start your career without doing much.

Looking good when you're 40+ is another story. I don't think that it's typical to start you career when you're 40+, so I don't think that's relevant to the discussion.
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@cryptoctopus ·
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If there is something that I dont like in human is ENVY. No matter how someone rationalize it, if someone complain about another success it boils down to envy...because if they were in the other person shoes, they would have probably done the same as them to get a payout.
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@alexgr ·
Both beauty and intelligence can be developed given enough time. Each one must determine what type of investment they want to make.

Beauty is about what a society thinks is attractive at any given period. In ancient times it used to be that fatter women with whiter skin was preferable compared to skinnier women or darker skin. Today we hear about tanning, about diets, all sort of stuff. One can work on those aspects, for sure. Makeup, training (fit body), hydration, proper color (not too tanned and not too white-ish) etc etc. And then you also have clothes to accompany the set.

Intelligence is typically equated with accumulated knowledge, so someone knowledgeable can be confused for someone intelligent. Whatever the case, knowledge can be built upon given the appropriate time investment. And intelligence can be cultivated to higher levels for those who understand what it is and how they can improve it.
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@proskynneo ·
I completely agree with your conclusions and will take them a step further. You are correct, we do not deserve credit for how we are made, God does.

> For you created my inmost being;
>   you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
> I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
>   your works are wonderful,
>   I know that full well.

Psalm 139:13-14

> Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

Genesis 1:26-27

God has created all of mankind in His image. Granted, by our own actions we have sinned against Him and allowed evil to rule our world (we can get into that at a later time). I try view every person as an image bearer of God. Some are physically beautiful, others are intelligent, nurturing, empathetic, selfless, and many more, all by nature. Sure, I can train myself to be more empathetic just like someone can go to the gym to lose weight, or go to school to increase their knowledge, but some people are simply born with an aptitude towards certain things. We need to teach our children that there is value in every person, regardless of whether they provide value to you.
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@sean-king ·
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I'm actually writing a book called "Redeeming Christ" that undermines most of what you say above.  I've published the first couple chapters already on my Steemit blog, though I've not really gotten into the substance yet.  Much more to come.
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@faddat ·
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TO the folks hating on this:  

* We are not born beautiful/handsome, either.  
  * We create that.
* We are not born intelligent.
  * We create that.  

So chill, all.  There are advantages and disadvantages on both sides here, says the "definitley on autism spectrum" guy.....  Some are inherited and some are learned and some are exercised into being and some are trained, but the fact is that in the end we have agency and none of these things is any better than the others.  They are just attributes of what make us, us.
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@earnest ·
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What you say doesnt ring true to me, but I think the commenters below covered most of the basic comon sense analisys.
Now, tangentially related with this what we see here in steemit is a lot of 
women hating on beauty because it opaques their beauty and "work",
here is an example
"I am planning on publishing once a week. Verification is not required, much like #secret-writer, we are not just focused on the face of the author. What I am looking for is the true Steemit: intellectuals, writers, artists and creators that make this place feel more like a community."
from https://steemit.com/steemit/@veralynn/women-of-steemit-vol-1
you will hear countless and infinite times women like @veralynn @stellabelle @lauralemons etc, complain about how their great intellects are not recognized because of them not being traditionally beautiful or past their prime, shaming men into valuing the intellects of women and not their beauty.

The interesting point to note is that you will never hear a young/beautiful lady say this, every woman that can use sexual empowerment just uses it while she can, then the same woman when she's past her prime will begin complaining about how unfair it is to compete with the beauty of a 20 year old girl.  

In short, hypocrites.
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@sean-king · (edited)
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Fair point.  I have noticed this tendancy also. Alhough I believe that @veralynn has acknowledged that she is a cam girl, so she is not opposed to exploiting looks.  And I've noticed @stellabelle has softened on this issue of late. It's clear she processing a lot of...stuff...and I expect her views will continue to morph as she does so.  

For the record, the subject in the photo of my post above is aged 47.
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@ozertayiz ·
Totally. With women, the wall is real. It is a fleeting advantage. If they can develop skills, connections, assets during that time, that is great. But most can't. Which is sad.
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@earnest · (edited)
Yes, very sad. I agree,
you can have my -6 rep vote
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@gikitiki ·
Great article.  Everyone has a hidden talent.  Many of those talents start as a seed and need to be nurtured to their full potential.

On an unrelated note,  when did @steemed-open get her tattoo? She appears to still be a blank canvas in this pic.
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@sean-king ·
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Years ago. I used to photoshop it out on occasion for the sake of anonymity, but she and I no longer feel the need for that.  So you'll see a mix of photos, some with and some without. 

She intends to post soon about her tattoos.
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@lukestokes ·
Will she mention <a href="https://steemit.com/postpartum/@corinnestokes/my-postpartum-enemy-diastasis-recti">Diastasis Recti</a>?
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@lukestokes ·
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Great discussion, Sean. Reminds me a bit of a post I did on determinism. I think humans love to create symbols and connections to things in order to understand what they can't currently comprehend. The nature vs. nurture discussion is a good example. We don't yet know the impact of cultural norms on our development, or how epigenetics trigger various gene expressions, or how our DNA shapes our future. It's all relatively new stuff and until we can simulate all of human existence, including our unique, individual brains, we may never fully understand it. :)
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@sean-king ·
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I agree!  Everyone seems to be getting caught up on the whole nature versus nurture aspect of my comment when what I really meant to emphasize is that both are essentially random from the perspective of any given individual. Whether I'm born with the right genes is no more or less random than whether I was born to the right parents who cared for me and supported me.  Or in the right country with a decent education system.  Or in the right socio-economic class within that country.  My basic point is that all of these things impact lives immensely, but none of them are "deserved" or "earned".  They are luck.  That's true whether we are talking about beauty, intelligence or eloquence.  

Some people seem to think that I'm therefore suggesting that nothing is worthy of celebration as a result, when I'm actually arguing just the opposite.  The sunset didn't "earn" it's beauty, but its no less sounding and worthy of awe.  Same with human beauty.  Or human brilliance.  Exceptionalism is worthy of celebration regardless of "merit".
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@felixxx ·
I like your post.

I want to add, that beauty is a more fleeting value and usually only benefits the individual.
Intelligence can benefit society as a whole.
I think that's why it's more respected.

There are a lot of sad, lonely women, who believed they 'earned' their way in the world, but have come to realise that they only had their looks work for them.
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@sean-king ·
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I totally disagree. Beauty does not only benefit the individual.  Beauty is hugely important to society.  A world with no beauty is desolate.  A world of intelligence but no beauty is the world of the Borg.  

There are a lot of sad, lonely professional athletes, or laborers, who believed they "earned" their way in the world, but have come to realize that they only had their now-failing physical capabilities work for them.  There are a lot of sad, lonely intellectuals who believed they "earned" their way in the world, but have come to realize that they only had their now-failing brains work for them.
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@felixxx ·
Well if you take my nuanced statements to the extreme of **only intelligence and no beauty** then of course you can strongly disagree with my **'borg'** view.

The OP has a picture of a young beautiful **girl** in the header, mind you.
I didn't make this sexist.

The engineer, whos invention still works, long after his mental capabilities have faded, is more respected than a pretty young girl.

Telling young girls to not only rely on their beauty, but 'earn' their way is nothing to strongly disagree with.
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@naturalista ·
Yes! I dont know how many times I grew up with people telling me I was lucky I was so beautiful, including my family. What kind of examples are you trying to set for your kids? Teaching them that beauty is so important is parenting failure in my book. Why not teach your kids about what is going on in the world and that there is always something you can do to help! Like the earth, only planet we have. Teach them the importance of our planet, not beauty. Neither will last forever and one is certainly more important than the other!
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@sean-king · (edited)
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I dunno.  A world without beauty is dismal.  Beauty is incredibly important.  I want my children to celebrate beauty, their's and other's.  The key is not to let the ego attach to being beautiful or not.  One way to do that is to view is as simply random.  Some sunsets are stunning.  Others are...meh.  Neither "earned" or "deserved" it, it just is.  Same with people.
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@earnest ·
here:
2 hours ago
https://steemit.com/steemit/@veralynn/re-sexual-clickbait
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@moonguy ·
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I disagree with your analysis. There is no scientific evidence that anyone is born with a better brain. It is the logical steps and rational analysis that makes people exceptional. Do you think @ned or @dan was born with some extra brain power? Nopes. They have the same brain as of you and me, but they used it properly to create this beautiful Steem platform. Hence, they earned it.
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@sean-king ·
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The idea that genetics doesn't influence intelligence is a plain and simple overreaction to eugenics (which was indeed horrid). No scientists really believe that genetics is irrelevant to intelligence, though few are willing to risk researching and publishing on this sensitive topic for obvious reasons.

That genetics influences intelligence is obvious. We see it most obviously at the extremes--for instance numerous types of mental incapacity (like Down's Syndrome) are obviously genetically determined. And Einstein's brain was, in fact, physically different from your's and mine:  http://earthsky.org/human-world/einsteins-brain-was-different-from-other-peoples

Furthermore, we know from intelligence tests that certain genetically similar types of people (I wont' use the word "racial groups" because the concept of race has no scientific basis), even when raised in different parts of the world, share measurable similarities in intelligence "on the average". For instance, Ashkenazi Jews (wherever they have been raised in the world) score higher on average on intelligence tests than any other genetically similar group. Certain Asian demographics score higher also.  

Some argue that these measured differences in test results are cultural rather than genetic. Even though that's incredibly doubtful for the reasons just noted, it still doesn't undermine my point since being born to a specific culture is no less random than being born with certain genes. Perhaps Ashkenazi Jews demonstrate better aptitude on intelligence tests on average only for cultural reasons. So what? Given that none of us "earn" the right to be born an Ashkenazi Jew, it doesn't matter in terms of undermining my thesis that none of us have "earned" our intelligence anymore than our beauty.

Even if culture and genetics are completely irrelevant and it all comes down to how your were taught or raised by your parents and teachers, it stil doesn't undermine my argument. Since we don't "choose" or "earn" our parents or teachers, intelligence is still a matter of "luck". None of us "deserve" our parents or teachers, good or bad.
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@valencgarcia · (edited)
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Steven Pinker (Harvard Psychology Professor) gives a fascinating talk on - "Jews, Genes and Intelligence."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Beqtt42iDW8
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@valencgarcia · (edited)
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Doctor here- The heritability of intelligence is 80%. Here's a review article from molecular psychiatry: http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v20/n1/full/mp2014105a.html. Also, wikipedia managed to have an entire article on it despite there being "no scientific evidence": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ.
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@moonguy ·
> The heritability of intelligence is 80%.

How do you define intelligence? Different IQ tests give different results of one person's IQ.

*p.s. According to one such IQ test, Mark Karpeles had high IQ and he used to boast about it.*
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@summon ·
> Do you think @ned or @dan was born with some extra brain power? 

nope if, then STEEMPOWER of course :P
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@thecryptofiend ·
@summon not sure what you are trying to say here?  Perhaps you could clarify.
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@nonlinearone ·
Was that photo taken at Canyon Lake?
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@steemed-open ·
was in AZ near Sedona.  I don't recall the name of the lake.
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@sean-king ·
Is that near Tortilla Flat, Arizona?  If so, then yes!
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@nonlinearone ·
Yes, it is. That is awesome.
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@kaylinart ·
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Holy cow... This article is incredible. It blew my mind, Because it's a mindset  I've never heard of.
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@matrixdweller ·
the crab people of nebulon 5 say, "you didn't earn that" http://img13.deviantart.net/a39d/i/2014/272/b/7/crab_people__crab_people_by_alejandro_mirabal-d7e5x87.jpg
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@gomeravibz ·
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yes loved this post, thankyou for this !! so true what you say,I liked especially your conclusion that we should not judge people by the brains or beauty but more who they are now and and trying to be, with their words and actions !!  So dont judge a book by its cover or by the exact words inside, but more of the message and effect it has on the surrounding environment !!
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@bendjmiller222 ·
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I hadn't thought about it this way. You bring up a very interesting point that some people are just genetically blessed with looks, intelligence, etc. I have no problem with people using sex appeal (almost all successful fashion and many other advertisements use this).

 However I also think that at the end of my life, how do I want to be remembered. Like what will the speeches be at my funeral. If I were beautiful or a model (neither haha) I would surely leverage that as I would be foolish not to use any attribute from athletic skills to strength etc to benefit myself. But it comes down to what you do with the gains you receive. I have a lot of respect for the Miss America  winners who go on to give girls confidence through speeches and travel the world spreading more than simple beauty. I look at some people on Instagram who are celebrities and who post only selfies and products they endorse. That's great for their bank account but in all honesty I feel that is a waste if you are not going out and using your gifts for others.

If at my funeral someone were to say "yeah he was really good looking and was great at modeling" (again I'd be shocked) I'd feel as if I wasted my life. Don't get me wrong. I understand many people use beauty as their job, but they can be more than a pretty face by bettering society.

People with intelligence often invent new things and contribute in a way that changes the world long after they pass. Forgive me if I offend any Baywatch fans, but if you were to compare Pamela Anderson's funeral speech (when that occurs) with someone like Steve Jobs, I can say that while a great entertainer, Pamela has no real impact on my life through her beauty, but Steve Jobs has absolutely changed my everyday life. That's an extreme example and may not be fair to compare, but I feel intelligence may be more valued because of the lasting impact and the saying "beauty is fleeting" rings true. What you do and accomplish once you are old and wrinkly and may not be considered beautiful anymore is something I think more people should take the time to think about, especially those in fashion, modeling etc.

Just my 2 cents, and would be interested to see if others agree or not with my views on the subject.
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@earnest ·
"You didn't earn that"

That's a person expressing a subjective value from a subjective perspective.

And I want to bring this in here from  your previous post about bait,
and the acid test @veralynn "vomited" at you, namely:
"If the person being subjected has the power, than it is empowerment.
  However, if that person has little or no power, they are being objectified.
    Ask yourself: Is the person aware and consenting to sexualizing the situation?    If the answer is No, it is most likely objectification.
    If the answer is Yes, then it is definitely empowering!"

Well, this person is telling you straight faced, that the same thing,
is good or bad depending on if it is convenient to her.
The criteria these people use to distinguish between right and wrong is
if it is "empowering"(convenient, beneficial) To Them. There are no other subjectivities in the equation.

What a nerve!!!!

Its like a black hole of solipsism that swallows it all.

You see, reality is what she feels, what she perceives from her subjective perspective, and only that. In a psychiatric manual you can find that is called 
Psychopathy.

Many people that push this kind of ideological garbage, will try to hide behind the subjective and behind "subjective value",
what many, many of them actually are is Solipsist Psychopaths.

To close this comment I'll give you a mild and very well known case example:
http://i.imgur.com/wxoHofl.jpg
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@luke490 ·
"However, once we abandoned the illusion that we have an immaterial essence, as science suggests we should, " ... Those that agree with this should agree with all of what you have said. On the other hand, some may say [your science is wrong.](https://steemit.com/religion/@gavvet/is-there-a-scientific-basis-for-jesus-christ)
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@najoh ·
Everyone has a brain and can develop it, not everyone has boobs and a pretty face. 99% of girls are ugly as hell and can't earn money by just posting selfies like hotties are doing. So no, being hot is not what i would call something that you earned. And ugly girls are not getting up voted as much as pretty ones, that's a fact.
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@sean-king ·
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Not everyone has a decent brain, and not all of those who do are born into circumstances where they can develop it. Quite the contrary.
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@najoh ·
I don't agree at all. Unless you have a medical condition everyone has a brain that works the same way. Let's take out the extremes from the equation.

I know someone from Congo who lived in the most precarious conditions possible, still he managed to become someone and to open a multitude of startups. His brain is not different than the brain of any normal living person. It's not a "brain" problem, it's more a "seize opportunity attitude".

That guy understands that to change his life he has to take risks sometimes and try to seize opportunities, so he did. He started by going to an internet cafe in Congo, using what money he has left after work, he looked around for weeks until he found out that he could make some money online by writing articles. So he did.

After a while he was managing a company of 100 employees. That dude came from nowhere. Anyone can do it. I know his story because i'm the first person that employed him, i asked him who he was and what he was doing, he told me that everyday he came to the internet cafe to try to find a way to make a living and i gave him his chance, he was good, i needed more articles, so he employed his friends and so on.

Today he is managing a restaurant too. Is he smarter than you ? Not he's not, but he has balls to do things. If it fails it doesn't matter, try again until it works. You on the other hand, you are telling us that you earned your pretty face. Let me tell you that most girls are ugly and can't make a living posting their selfies. It's a bad thing to tell people that's it's ok to earn a living by doing nothing else than having a pretty face. We all should be trying to do our best in life.
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@najoh ·
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@lindee-hamner ·
Some people want to experience the world while others are content with having the world experience them.
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@theoretical ·
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Even if concepts such as free will and individual responsibility aren't real, they're still useful approximations when designing social institutions to incentivize productive behavior.
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@valencgarcia · (edited)
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Very refreshing to come across this on Steemit. I whole-heartedly agree with every single sentence you wrote here except for two:

"We are not our bodies. And we are not our minds." 

We don't _have_ bodies, we _are_ our bodies and most definitely our minds.  Not sure what you were trying to say here.

Also,  the public doesn't understand that we know a lot about the genetic contribution to intelligence. There is an impressive body of evidence on this. The heritability of intelligence is 80%. Height, is 90%.  Thank you for this post.
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@johnnyyash ·
Just because people think someone is intelligent doesn't make them intelligent. Perfect example is the United States government.
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@cloveandcinnamon ·
Brains can create value to society. Brains can create shleter, science, Gods. We, Humans, have evolved to become what we are because we have bigger and better brains than all other animals. Not because we were the cutest apes. Beauty is subjective and relative. 

What kind of value a beautiful body can bring to society just by being beautiful?
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@sean-king ·
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Seriously?  I think the answer is self evident.  

Beauty is not subjective and relative.  We are hard wired to appreciate beauty (proportion) from the earliest ages.  Study after study has confirmed this.
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@earnest ·
answer, a beautiful body can make many more beautiful bodies that have a potential to spread concepts that is higher , way higher than a non beautiful body, thanks to the halo effect.
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@cloveandcinnamon ·
So culture has no effect on how we perceive beauty? Anyway...this has nothing to do with the original argument.
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@earnest ·
I assume you are fat, am I right?
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@ozertayiz ·
Interesting topic. But genes are inherited, not earned. Earning implies work and effort on your part. 

If you came to this life with good looks, and it gives an advantage to you, good for you. And yes, there is a level of effort involved in staying fit healthy and in shape. But since much of it is out of control, for %95 of population, it is much better to develop core skills rather than superficial things like good looks.

There is some luck involved in everything. Since much in life is not an exact science. But good looks is like, having inherited millions of dollars from your parents, %100 luck. And smarts, hard work, and grit are, %99 hard work, %1 luck.
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@sean-king ·
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You had me up till you last sentence.  Ambition and smarts are equally a matter of "luck".  Read my other comments above to get a better understanding why.
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@earnest ·
I think you are wrong here in this case
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@earnest ·
BTW, I saw that post today,
you have some balls bro, I commend you for your successful efforts
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@awkwardawk ·
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Here's a post that makes everyone react lol. And because I'm part of everyone...
I do agree with you. It does make sense, fundamentally, that if you are recognized by your traits or capabilities that applies to both your physical body as well as your mind, in all their variants. What a lot of people is probably trying to argue here, and I must agree, is that you see people that accomplished nothing in life except for starring in a reality show. And I do mean a pure, petty, low life reality show. This may be an extreme example, but the underlying point remains. But as I said, I agree with your post. And if people think about it in a rational unbiased way, they'll probably end up realizing that too.
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@bacchist ·
This is something that I've spent quite a lot of time thinking about. I agree with your take on it. I like to push it a bit further and acknowledge the role that race, gender, and socio-economic status play. People don't deserve credit or blame for the impact that those have on their lives either. If we are to deconstruct all those realities in the way you have approached this post, it's hard to justify things like wealth and income inequality, for example. Social stratification is the result of a sorting process directed by those with the most power. I think part of cutting each other some slack is to do everything we can to create a more equal society.
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@sean-king ·
I very much agree @bacchist.  Life is far more a matter of luck than our egos like to suppose.

However, I would push back on want point you make:  That the luck factor makes differences in wealth and income inequality less "justifiable".  I agree in part and disagree in part.  

If you've never read Nassim Taleb's books The Black Swan and AntiFragile, I strongly recommend them.  They go to great lengths to show that most life's outcomes are far more random than we suppose--and that we regularly rationalize away this randomness via after-the-fact explanations that make it "seem" like people "earned" their reward for innovation.  One possible takeaway from this is that, since nobody "earns" their reward, there's no basis for large variations in rewards.   

But Taleb contends otherwise using market-based economies and centrally planned economies as an example.   Let's suppose, that some innovation that really benefits human society--like the glue used by Post-It Notes, for example--was discovered as a matter of "luck" rather than true innovation (and, actually, it was, and frankly most great innovations were).  In which economy would the Post-It Note most likely be stumbled upon--a market-based economy where risk taking and experimentation is rewarded financially, or a centrally planned one where a few decision makers at the top direct the efforts of everyone below?  Obviously, the latter.  The market economy is decentralized, or "open source".  Consequently, more people are "rolling the dice".  More people rolling more dices increases the odds of one of them hitting jackpot.  And when they do, they gain an outsized benefit, but all of society benefits also.

Take away the reward for risk taking and experimenting, as centrally planned economies do, and innovation slows to a crawl.  

The word entrepreneur means simply "risk taker".  And it's that risk taking that decentralized, market-based systems reward.  It's not the discovery or the "creation" of the innovation itself--for that was mostly a matter of dumb luck.  

The Steem system actually works the same way.  Rewards for the most popular posts are "outsized".  Because they are outsized, they encourage people to strive for them--they encourage posting and creativity, for example.  They encourage people to take time to write quality content (by which I mean content that they think users will want to see).  

But the Steem "winners" didn't "earn" their reward at the end of the day.  Most of their winning was a function of "luck"--the right whale happened to subtle upon their post and upvote it at a convenient moment, causing others to see it and upvote it also.  And yet, if beacause of that we developed a more "equal" distribution of Steem rewards, we'd actually see posting and innovation and effort decline precipitously.
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@bacchist ·
I don't really find this a compelling argument at all.

Entrepreneur is not simply a "risk taker." It is a very specific sort of risk taking that we consider entrepreneurial. Specifically it is the risk taking of a person with capital or access to capital.

Construction workers take very real risks every day by showing up to work. They risk bodily injury or death in many cases. But his sort of risk taking isn't called entrepreneurship and the market system certainly isn't offering them outsized rewards for their risk.

I don't think it's possible to have an honest discussion about the merits of a capitalist market system without acknowledging the role of class.

I also reject the idea that the only alternative to a profit-driven market economy is central planning, but that's probably beyond the scope of this conversation...
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@professorx ·
I don't fully agree. Why people give more weight to intelligence is because it has to be applied. Attractive people can be attractive with no work at all, we have seen this. This is why we revere theoretical physicists and savvy businessmen, who have the greater advantage over hot models. And why hot models almost never end up with someone hot.
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@thecryptofiend ·
I get what you are trying to say here but I don't think it is going to change things.  Our society only values people based on certain traits and they are to some degree considered responsible for their traits whether they are genetic or not.  I don't think that is going to change any time soon.

It is a fascinating discussion to have though.  I would like to give an example of something quite close to what you are saying.

I think it is similar to the concept of using performance enhancing drugs as being cheating in sport.  If you are someone with inferior genetic potential and use drugs to level the playing field why is that cheating?  You didn't choose your genetics any more than the other people competing did.  

You still have to put in the training and the work.  Yet it is considered cheating.  However if you had genes that gave you abnormally high levels of testosterone or growth hormone or erythropoetin that would not be considered cheating.

It is an interesting thought experiment.
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@claudiop63 ·
I tend to agree with you. What deserves respect and recognition is how we use our "assets". Do we respect other people? Are we modest and considerate to people who have fewer assets? Do we try to help mankind as much as we can? This is the bottomline to me.
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