Hey guys. A little different topic tonight from @shayne [![](http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1160296/images/h-AGNOSTICISM-628x314.jpg)](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-baddar/why-im-not-an-atheist-the-case-for-agnosticism_b_3345544.html) # Agnostic To be agnostic about something is to claim that one doesn't hold a position of knowledge on the subject. For instance, I am agnostic about the history of the sport of cricket. I know nothing about it. Therefore I can't claim be an authority on it. However, this lack of knowledge does not presume that I disbelieve that the sport exists. Similar to religion. If someone is asked about whether or not they believe in God, to say "I'm agnostic" does not answer the question, because, as we see with the cricket example, I can proclaim to have no knowledge of something but still believe or disbelieve in its existence. # One's knowledge does not dictate their belief Someone can be an atheist or a theist, and it has nothing to do with whether or not they know anything about what they're saying. Because belief is different than knowledge. Here are your options regarding belief in god: 1. You don't know but you choose to believe: **agnostic theist** 2. You DO know and you chose to believe: **gnostic theist** 3. You don't know but you chose NOT to belive: **agnostic atheist** 4. You DO know and you chose NOT to believe: **gnostic atheist** Whenever I hear someone say "I'm agnostic about God" I have to mischievously ask, "So, does that lack of knowledge lead to you believe or disbelieve?" # Which of the above listed 4 options are you? Let me know in the comments below. This is a fun topic :D # Follow me @shayne
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I am a Christian. I study, and I believe.
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Captain Obvious is a Christian. Good to know. :D
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5.. We are all our own gods, this is just a shitty simulation we put ourselves in where it took us forever to come up with the next internet and people still value money more than the simulation itself.
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Maya?
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The odds of this not being a simulation are as small as me finding a full bitcoin block while hashing with pen and paper.
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One evening before bed I was praying when a bell went off in my head and I realized something. "You're talking to yourself asshole!" I said out loud. So from that day I figured I must be god.
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LOL! That's more wise than you are leading on ;)
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I don't always talk to myself, but when I do its after I hit my finger with a hammer.
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Made me giggle ^^
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I was raised to believe,but have learned to ask Q.,which has led to a separation...I have studied a lot of different religions,and found truth in them all. I would have to say that I am more spiritual than religious... to many things I can not explain.... My cognitive dissonance leans toward an omnipresence of a conscious energy...as evident in quantum mech.,and string theory... so I guess that would place me in the #1 :-) namaste
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The more I live, the more I realize I dont know shit!!! I mean I know alot of things from my life experiences, but everything I was taught to believe has turned out to be one big fat lie. So now I find, that I am a happier person not looking at life through a so called toilet paper tube thinking..my sight is wide open and open to learning and seeing everything. And those that say they know, I just have to sit back and say.. that person is really arrogant. Because no one knows for sure about God or life after, so in reality ...as I grow older I know I am just a mere speck of dust floating, but when I was younger I thought I knew everything. Funny how time changes things... but this is just my humble opinion... Great writing!!! Thank you for sharing!!!
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not sure why there are only 4 options. what happened to "don't know, and don't know what to believe"? i think most agnostics fall under this category. it's strange to assume someone would formulate a belief from ignorance. answering "i'm agnostic" to the question of god's existence is pretty much saying "i don't know".
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I agree. 'The wise man is one who knows what he does not know'.
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Because belief is a switch. It's on or off. Do you believe in the existence of Thor? The answer will be yes or no regardless of what you *know* about Thor.
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What about ***I'm agnostic and I don't know what I believe***? Cause it's not something I bother spending time thinking about. When I die I'll find out automagically. I'll pay whatever dues are owed or simply cease to exist or be reborn without memory of my former self. Maybe it'll be a combination of those things or something that's never been proposed to me. Either way, it has no bearing on what I'm doing now. I don't need Religion *or* Ideology to be moral. I have morals all on my own. For that matter, I don't need a belief system to have Faith. I've got a lot of faith, it just isn't directed at anything until I need it to be.
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I am Agnostic. I do not know if there is a higher power but I surely don't believe it is any depiction of religion we posses. The idea behind religion at it's base is good. Help your fellow man, don't be a dickhead basically. Religion at its root is just an antiquated form of government. In theory sounds great, in practice rife with corruption.
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Well I don't believe in any kinds of gods but I believe in spirituality. I've always questioned everything and the idea of a god just doesn't make any sense to me really. I've never seen him nor did I feel him. On the other hand, let's say meditation, you can feel something on a different level when you do it regularly, like you enter another dimension. So I believe in what I can feel and see...
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where's option 5? there's a hole in this matrix
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Gnostic theist. Great article, made me think! Followed, please follow back. :3
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Even Atheism has no content. Atheism literally means "disbelief in theism". It's not a belief. It's the assertion that you dont think said belief has enough evidence to believe, as is with anything else you dont define yourself by. Gnostic atheism means youre sure this belief will never be proven (which is hard to do to anything) and agnostic atheism means there is an unsure disbelief based on lack of evidence (which I am a part of).
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I think most atheist would consider themselves agnostic atheists, if it was put to them to make that distinction. In the atheist community, I believe they would call a "gnostic atheist" a "hard atheist".
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So atheism is literally... disbelief? Or is it unbelief? I think that's how it's portrayed.
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Whatever means lack of belief. The same goes for Cthululu or Zeus or Xenu the intergalactic scientologist ruler. We dont consider our lack of belief in Xenu a belief. That is what scientolgists believe. Why dont we believe in it? Probably because there isnt sufficient evidence. Can i be 100% certain? No, but i can still assert that i dont find reason to believe in it.
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I'm an atheist but I don't think you have fully understood what agnostic means. Agnostic is someone who doesn't know whether God exists or not (yes, you got that right) but in consequence he/she doesn't take a position in the matter. You can't believe or disbelieve in a maybe. - If you choose to believe you're a theist (you are sure he exists) - If you choose not to then you're an atheist (you are sure he doesn't exist). Agnostic theist or agnostic atheist makes no sense. What you're saying is like saying a "maybe (Yes! I do)" or a "maybe (No! I don't), when it's actually just "maybe (I do not know)".
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>Agnostic theist or agnostic atheist makes no sense. Sure it does. I've had conversations with people that go like this: >"Do you believe in God?" "Yes." "How do you know that God exists?" "I don't know, I have faith that God exists, so I believe." It goes the same with the agnostic atheist: >"Do you believe in God?" "No" "Do you know that God DOESN'T exist?" "No, I have no evidence that God doesn't exist, but I choose NOT to believe in God." Others will say that they KNOW that God exists, and they believe. Others say they KNOW that God doesn't exist, so they do not believe. Saying "I don't know" doesn't answer the question of belief. For most people, when they say they don't know, what they really mean is "I don't know, so I don't really believe." Most agnostic atheists simply have a different idea of the nature of God, or they interpret God in a unique way that is not recognized by any established religion. Does that make sense?
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The problem is nobody can realisticly surely KNOW, but if you choose to believe or more accurately to have faith that he exists or not, then you're either an atheist or a theist. However, if you are truly aware that you "don't know" then you can't say whether he exists or not. If you "don't know" but you choose to believe then you move into faith. Let me give you an example. When you ask someone for directions and they have no clue where the place you're asking is, they usually say "I really don't know... (I can't give you directions or guide you)" so you ask someone else. If the second person you ask also has no clue but says "I don't know, but I believe you should take that road" that's having faith. Let's say it's not really the "I don't know" that is important in agnosticism, it's the "I can't say" which comes after it.
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I'm definitely number 3. I'm a scientist at heart, and there is no true evidence to prove or disprove the existence of such a being, but I chose not to believe in an omnipotent, omniscient being who sees and controls everything and has a plan for everyone. I would almost say I have "faith" in the existence of beings aside from Humans, though I don't think I'd classify them as deities. Unless we're in a simulation, in which case, yeah, they control us all and nothing we do really matters. Just the thoughts of a pessimistic agnostic athiest...
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βFor those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who donβt believe, no proof is possible.β β Stuart Chase, American Economist
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Interesting and thought provoking. Been there, done that and after much deliberation, came to the conclusion that if I live my life following and governed by this question, " when asked, will my answer please the GREAT CREATOR"
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Reminds me of my recent Roman history class ! Steem up
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Great post..upvoted
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Which classification matches agnostic reservist? As in, maybe God (or Goddess, or the Great Tranny in the Sky) exists, and maybe he doesn't. I'm reserving judgment and investing nothing in organized religion. That's my usual stance.
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I probably move thru that list on any given week. But what do I know, I'm just a farty cat...
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I am a son of God. It is my nature to be godly. I used to be a child of the devil. It used to be my nature to be ungodly. They are the only two spiritual fathers. Every person is a child of one of them. Children of God have the nature of their Father. They love what is right, and they love people as they love themselves. Children of the devil have the nature of their father. They love what is wrong, and they don't love people as they love themselves. Children don't need to be taught to do wrong, nor do they need to be taught to be selfish. It is their sinful nature. This is why Jesus said, "Except a man be born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (John 3:3) "In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: who ever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother." (1 John 3:10)
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I ***KNOW*** but I choose not to say. Truth must be discovered on one's own, it cannot be taught.
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I'm agnostic theist....I hear there is also apatheism...Don't care either way:)
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This is an interesting article. I just wrote on a somewhat similar concept myself. Words are important and it's important that we understand what we are saying. I'm not sure I feel comfortable using the term gnostic to describe myself, but in your use of words I would choose Number two.
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I was raised Christian and never felt like I believed. I like to say I am a hard atheist. But maybe I am more closer to an agnostic atheist? I feel like if there are these "gods" that people believe in, they're not very nice and I don't want to believe.
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In the end, being agnostic is no excuse. It's the same as being an unbeliever. Even lukewarm believers are cast out. Don't take comfort in not knowing. You'll end up in the same place as the rebels, having turned your back on Jesus' outstretched hand.
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