RE: HF20 Update: Operations Stable by sircork

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· @sircork ·
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*"We have already begun discussions with the witnesses about developing common standards, not just for testing code, but for holding Steem developers, such as us, accountable to their needs, and the needs of the community members they represent."*


**Well, this is news to *most witnesses* I'm sure.**

Aside from the overly agreeable, magically selected few invited into back room discussions, chosen seemingly in almost all but a few select cases, mostly by their inability to question the hand that feeds them, I'm pretty sure there are a couple hundred more witnesses keeping your business concerns alive despite the bumbling, often doing so for nearly free or even *paying* out of pocket to do so, because of our passion for the technical challenge, philosophical ideals and what are seen as many other potentials present here. 

These others seem to be ignored and overlooked, even as so MANY of us bring decades of wisdom, experience and skills at both an individual level compared to some of the elite, insider witnesses and at a collective level as a group so vastly outweighing those of the predominantly young and vastly inexperienced chosen few, that it borders on inexplicable.

I know of many, who have more experience in the tech industry and in architecting systems, implementing infrastructures, building businesses and most importantly, meeting and appeasing users needs above all else, than most of the leadership of this platform even have being *alive* in the first place...

But are they at this table? Do they know about these *in progress discussions*?

Heh. No. Information is given later, then used against them because they were not precognitive to your infinite wisdom, deemed unworthy of participation by the magic anonymous votes that loft people to the top here. Votes so large they can only be owned by persons involved pre-zero day in 2015/16...

But let's just sweep all that under the rug, shall we? And make no mention of it in this blog, because there is a centralized government operating in secrecy, ensuring that no plans of the great leader go properly vetted or or challenged at any turn.

SMTs must be delivered or steemit incs team becomes unemployed. It behooves steemit inc to in turn control both gates and gatekeepers, lest they be delayed, or even prevented from making mistakes like the ones occurring here perennially over the past 24 months.

You know what other platform works just like this?

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@richq11 · (edited)
Thank you... I don't have to comment now, I couldn't said it any more eloquently!!! By the way, I DO know what other platform works just like this!
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@kennyroy ·
Nothing more to say! You said a lot! LOL
I agree in what you said and that's it! (^_^)
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@dunstuff ·
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wow. usually i struggle with large walls of text, and lose focus, but this... this just read so well, i couldnt look away XD
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@roundbeargames · (edited)
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i live a few hour drive away from kim jung un. i can understand your concern because when one single entity starts restricting any kind of human behavior, the endgame is dprk. 

a leader might have good intentions, smart, even benevolent, but none of that matters if you're not willing to step back and allow freedom to go wherever the fuck it goes. in most cases leaders don't like the results they see when they let a community figure something out. they resort to control and one rule after another, you long for total control. 

> "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
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@sircork ·
I've been watching your response on this page, and this comment is probably the most moving and directly experiential remark I've ever read on the internet, given your locale and cited life experience. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration and reply.
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@roundbeargames ·
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thanks. just in case anyone might be confused, i don't live in dprk 😄

i live in south korea where we might have a little more freedom but government controls nearly everything. you can't open a lemonade stand without bribing them (literally). some presidents might even have good intentions. they want the nation to thrive, but no matter who you are, if you have too much power, the moment you start making decisions for people who might not be as rich or powerful as you, you are turning yourself into a dictator.

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@sircork ·
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@ned - lol, you look ridiculous right now. I'm not losing money and if rep meant anything, i can bot it right back up. But it doesnt mean anything. 

Keep Streisanding me though :) It looks good on you. The public adores you.

PS. I know who you work for ;)
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@ayijufridar ·
***"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"***. I love this quote @roundbeargames.  Does  mean that the changes in HF-20 ultimately lead us to hell? I want to go to heaven, you too, I'm sure.
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@sircork · (edited)
The remark is more meta I believe, and not specific to technical issues (of which there have been plenty) but more managerial, philosophical and political ones.
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@roundbeargames ·
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i want heaven yes (and a haven from all the restrictions i'm facing in my country) 😃

i don't mean that hf20 specifically will lead us to hell. in fact, i think hf20->smts->oracles&account based voting->more decentralization & fair distribution of rewards->moon might even be possible.

but i'm saying if you leave too much responsibilities to a single individual, even if he has good intentions, it's not gonna end well. 
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@sugarfix ·
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I sympathize with you position. It is the age old problem of discovery "I got there first so me and my friends are going to benefit from this. If you want something it will be be my rules". Under any political system oligarchies will form and I think that it is close to impossible to stop this. However things need to be put in place to slow the process up.
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@roundbeargames ·
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yes. i'd even say it's been completely impossible so far. but i believe crypto and blockchains can get us closer to freedom, more so than ever before. it'd be wonderful if steem could lead the way. but i'm concerned because when one man has enough power to decide which content deserves rewards or not (as well as a whole bunch of other things), it reminds me of the same system that i experienced my entire life.

maybe i'm overreacting, but i came to steem hoping to escape the oligarchies. i dunno if steemit inc would step back in the future and let the community handle things (i just hope). the tools are kinda there, but we don't usually go out of our way to vote and support the witnesses that embrace decentralization. 

partially it's the community to blame, not being able to get together and build a force behind change. as well as the organization that doesn't wanna let go of control. 
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@fr3eze ·
Damn, are you actually from the North Korea?
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@roundbeargames · (edited)
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oh no. im now explaining to people i'm not from dprk. i'm from south korea. i'm sorry because i never meant to mislead people 😐
when i refer to a dictator, i mean both north & south.
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@lanmower ·
@sircork and the "great steemit conspiracy"

I had such a chuckle, but then, when I read this shit I always do.
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@sircork ·
You've been drawn to this sort of thing since we met last winter. :) You seem to enjoy a show. Everyone does. And this is certainly a circus, Lan, most assuredly it is. The question though, is who are the suckers Mr. Barnum was referring too? Oh yes, it was the audience, not the entertainers...
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@enginewitty ·
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Rewarding the witnesses more fairly would be great!
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@novacadian ·
There was an idea of mine posted a while ago that could reap non-top 20 witnesses some transmission fees. A link to it is included below for your reading pleasure.

https://steemit.com/steem/@novacadian/a-decentralized-capcha-annonymous-proof-of-brain-verification
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@xyzashu ·
$0.07
As long as top 20 Witnesses are *invited* or *participate* in such a back room discussion, I'm okay with it. But shouldn't these discussions be in public domain? 

I live in a democratic country and all the activities, debates and discussions happening in the Parliament is broadcast live to the general public. We ought to know what role our delegates are playing there.
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@sircork · (edited)
Their most common excuse for a secret not-secret room is "security issues" or "too much noise from so many witnesses" - on an **open source** piece of code, they then will claim should be read and tested by **all witnesses**

The hypocrisy is strong.
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@richreeve ·
secrets make people feel powerful
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@dimarss ·
$0.20
I agree,  want to know the position of our "chain-leaders"
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@jassennessaj ·
We should know and publicly aware I guess. That will be perfect place for us to understand more about the blockchain.
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@reggaemuffin ·
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> Well, this is news to most witnesses I'm sure.

https://steemit.com/witness-update/@reggaemuffin/witness-statement-for-reggaemuffin-proposing-hardfork-adoption-requirements

https://steemit.com/steem/@pharesim/hf-20-lessons-finally-learned

https://steemit.com/witness-update/@followbtcnews/with-hf20-now-live-it-s-time-for-a-look-at-the-process-a-statement-from-one-of-the-consensus-witnesses

There was a lot of discussion, @ned even linked to a few posts on the last steemitblog update and many witnesses resteemed these posts. There were two MSP radio shows one from utopian, one from @aggroed. And this discussion was basically everywhere.

But I guess in all the negativity, no one is looking for actual solutions ;)
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@sircork · (edited)
$0.08
3 unofficial posts after-the-fact from witnesses, two top 20, sure, and yourself, absent for how many months? Red herrings in context here.

Thanks for your input Reggae, but Aggroed only hosts a few nice safe top 20s in the first comment, on his shows on a streaming platform I built for him with my own blood, sweat and finances till I resigned it over his charades, and those are by invite only. noted as directly beholden to convey only the messages allowed by their masters. Shadowspub hosts well over a dozen to as many as 25+ on her completely OPEN witness forums and the top 20 rarely show their faces. The rest are left to speculate. Those shows too grew from a streaming station I built and she evolved from when I shut it down.

Ask the other 200+ witnesses how much information they have received and when, and what input they were asked for, and again, when. After the fact?

Be it known one or two top witnesses were observed trying to spread information in time, but even they have publically acquiesced communication was dismal.

Cui bono in your case? Are you here to produce the voices of the hundreds of witnesses kept at arm's length to prove me wrong? Or to gain favor as you return to the platform after a prolonged absence?
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@reggaemuffin ·
$0.17
Absent? Citation needed please... Don't talk bullshit because I didn't write that many posts the last months...

If you have been in steem.chat witness channel the last few days you noticed that I asked for everyones input after writing my post. I don't see that anyone was stopped from participating? Just that *witnesses* like you want to be all conspiracy and whine all day about things they can't change while they ignore the things they can change. And when then presented with things they themselves didn't do go into ad hominem?

What did you do to improve the situation? You personally? Do you have requirements for Steemit Inc that you can present without flinging shit everywhere? If yes, write a damn post about them man!
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@charlie777pt · (edited)
$0.04
This is just way off the post subject but I will leave here a comment that should be taken as a joke.
We have to consider the 3 kinds of democracy, police democracy (i.e. Singapore, South Korea), military democracy (i.e. Indonesia and North Korea) and terrorist-imperialist democracy ( i.e. US, Russia, Europe and China).
That's the actual freedom of choice
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@sircork ·
$0.10
You aren't wrong, and it's not as funny as you and I both wish it was. ;)
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@biffybirdcam ·
$0.06
I scream at the sky near every day at this fact. Is that odd?! lol
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@fityan ·
THANK YOU, YES STEEMIT activity on the blockchain has stabilized
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@lukestokes ·
$1.57
Based on your previous narratives, I thought most of the steemit witness problems were because the witness page only showed the top 50? Well, now it shows the top 100. Did that really matter?

To build a successful project or business, it takes a team. That means people who work together seriously and build trust instead of attacking one another. You may think this is a circus or a game, but many treat it seriously and professionally. You had an opportunity to represent yourself here as someone who wants to be part of a team and work together, but instead it's more accusations and hyperbole. How has that worked out for you so far? People who know you, support you, and love being part of the communities you build have urged you to try a different approach than being the "the Alex Jones witness" or building a following "largely built on anti-establishment people" (quoting a conversation we had 4 months ago which you said I could share publicly). I chose not to share that conversation because I'm hopeful you'll try a different approach than what was represented there. The last conversation we had on discord was agreeable, but you're here on chain again acting differently. There are better ways to get attention and be seen and heard. My suggestion: start with a post outlining your criteria as a witness for testing and rolling out hardforks. <a href="https://steemit.com/witness-category/@lukestokes.mhth/to-fork-or-not-to-fork-is-that-even-a-question">I started exploring my criteria</a> as HF20 was going live. Put your thoughts out there and use your experience and expertise to build something useful that helps us all.

Or keep doing what you're doing if that's your thing. Just don't expect a different result than you've had so far.
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@sircork ·
Your opinion is valid. Your remarks are accurate portrayals of events. Thanks for your input Luke. Hope EOS isn't keeping you too busy. ;) I hear they got problems now with China that might should have your attention at the moment, eh?

Funny though, how such important top 20 witnesses and steemit inc execs are so keenly interested in a mid60s-70s witness. Yet you all turn to personal business. Not responses to the presented things. Wonder why that is? Why is little old me so important to you and some of your peers. Really seems a bit odd? We can let the observers, the users, the platform stakeholders who aren't in the elite circle judge for themselves.

Have a fabulous day! :D
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@sircork ·
Two things are wrong in retrospect, changing the witness page *did* matter, it's not a Bhengazi Hillary why does it matter now moment, because it DOES matter that all candidates in a voting booth get equal representation. And ask the bottom 50 we did get compromised into the page, and see if it matters to them. Hint: It does. A lot. Ask the remainder if they still deserve to be there also. Hint: They do, a lot.

And as for my presentation that you are so incapable of coping with that you endlessly refer to it in an attempt to discredit my positions without addressing them, it too matters, a lot, or rather doesn't matter at all, as demonstrated by upvotes and comments and communities supporting me, while there are not here piling on for the the few of you trying to distract and discredit my integrity. You know what integrity is, right? To me, when I took the title STEEM witness, I committed with integrity to that job, not to two or three side chick chains at the same time... 

That's how integrity works. People can tell when it's real, and when its straddling the fence as an exit strategy to a competing platform, if it even *is* a competing platform and not just an extension of the bitshares/ninja miner club, into another new clubhouse. Hard to say based on who has dabbled in all 3 of them and demonstrated lack of commitment to none as a result.
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@igster ·
Steem has still long way to go, this HF20 was proof of that. We should not be afraid to bring issues to light as serious investors will do their research and find them anyway. One hot topic clearly is how the core of Steem works. 

The discussion between witnesses and Steemit Inc should be as open as possible, how else we could call Steem decentralized with a straight face with dignity. Can't we have a discord channel, for example in Steemdevs, where witnesses + Steemit inc only can send messages but everyone could read them? And use that as a main communication channel so no one can complain? @ned 

I'm sure we can do better, else sircork wouldn't be complaining in this manner.
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@sircork ·
Trust but verify, steemdevs is owned by one of the most corrupted and unliked witnesses in the list. not an "open harbor" at all. It may be a good place for a dev hangout, but it's not a good place for "politics" to occur.

*how else we could call Steem decentralized with a straight face with dignity*

Currently we cannot. A little conscientious digging and research quickly illuminates how all roads lead to Rome...

If I elaborated, even with documentation, I'd be summarily dismissed and marginalized even as is already underway. The only consolation is that despite high-profile detractors deflecting, defending and throwing shade, the truth of our centralization and the short list of names and "companies" behind it is spreading at a grassroots level. 

The question remains, that in the days of bread and circuses, will the population turn off the game long enough to watch, spread or care about the news.

Who is behind the curtains in Oz? Thinking people have already done the research, connected the dots and know.

But what can be done? THAT ... remains to be seen ;)
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@shepz1 ·
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LOL welcome to the internet, reenacting real life, and to think I was sold this whole shit show as something different hey!!!!!!!!11
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@sircork ·
The internet is a connected set of humans, each one believed by each one to be better than the last...
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@shepz1 ·
By said logic my number at 60 is better than yours at 59? though in reality I know better, as you are one of the "few" steemians I trust...................
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