We Need To Talk, Steemit. by son-of-satire

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· @son-of-satire · (edited)
We Need To Talk, Steemit.
<center><h4>I haven't been on camera in over a decade, so you know this shit is important.</h4></center>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
<center>*This video has been exchanged for another is it is no longer relevant, and I never intended to share my face on here. Enjoy.*</center>
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@phyowaiaung ·
morning brother . i follow you .  i need steem power level hight vote me .
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@son-of-satire ·
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[Why you got flagged](https://steemit.com/freebies/@son-of-satire/how-to-earn-yourself-a-free-flag)
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@therealpaul · (edited)
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You're not alone in noticing that a contest is supposed to be won on the merits of the entries and not by the number of paid judges who decide the winner. Thanks for speaking out on what is right, probably more than just me appreciate you for this, but are 'shy' about saying so. I'm shy too, but I commend you for standing up against such high-powered unfairness.
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@son-of-satire ·
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Thanks, Paul, that means a lot. Also, I have to thank you for mentioning the shyness thing as well. I can sometimes forget about shyness and how it can effect people, and your words have made me more aware of reasons why some people I hoped might stand up to this kinda shit haven't. That does make me feel even more obligated to do this kinda shit though, because not everyone who wants to talk has the voice to do it.
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@crazybgadventure ·
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Clearly you have been on steemit for longer than me I have only been on here for a month, but are these users not only a small percentage compared to the large number of people here. In my opinion those who are in it for the money and using tactics like this in the short term maybe will get large amounts of money but in the long term surely the hard workers will reap the rewards?? Btw I never really upvote or comment on posts with meme's and crappy videos from you tube, its not really work is it???
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@son-of-satire · (edited)
It certainly seems to be a short-term mindset these people are exhibiting, but I suppose, with the amount they are raking in, they won't need Steemit to function long term for them to be set up for life. But their security will come at the cost of all of ours, because if this shit continues, Steemit will not fucking survive.
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@w0olf ·
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U nailed it! People like these are destroying steemit. I hope that people are reading/watching this and make up their mind. I don't want steemit to become like Facebook....
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@son-of-satire ·
I agree. We all have a stake in this, which is why I feel we should be making more of an effort to preserve its integrity. I don't want it to be like facebook either. Or snapchat, or instagram, or anything else like that. I want this to be an example of how social media should be..  It ought to be.
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@deserttree ·
You are just being judgy asshole. Don't fkn pretend to be a nice caring guy when you are an idiot doesn't give a fuk about others.
I promised to stay positive here. You are the first douchebag pissing off.
If you don't remove the flag, I will remember your douchy name forever.
And you have no fkn clue why people votes the way they did. You are the one playing games and trying to change votes.
change your name to son-of-satan
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@son-of-satire · (edited)
I don't think there is anything wrong with judging people for their actions. It's prejudging that is wrong, for example, what you just did to me. Also, one need only go through my history and read my writing to understand just how much I do care about people. Oddly enough, even arseholes like you.

This is somewhat of a hilarious message by the way. I had obviously expected a few irate comments from people who are unwilling to accept what they have done, because they do not want to have to feel guilty about it. However, I did not even consider it a possibility, that one of the three users who actually voted twice for number 1, in order to get 8 dollars instead of four, would actually be brazen enough to come here and question my integrity.

Fair play to you on that one though. Timsaid is scamming all you of you, and you have managed to scam him at a second upvote. Lol.  That makes me a little happy to be honest, which it shouldn't, but I can't pretend it does not.

If I don't remove the flag you are going to remember me? Sounds like a deal. I want you to remember me, so you can also remember this shitty thing you did.

Yes, I am trying to change votes... To honest ones. Because I don't like to see people with less, getting cheated out of acquiring more, by people who already have more than they need. It's not how we should be treating one another.

You can bitch and moan at me all you want, but my integrity is not in question here. Not by anyone who has followed me throughout my time here, and knows my character. It is you who must explain why you have done what you have done, not I. So, please, attempt to justify why you voted twice on number 1?

Furthermore, in regards to that threat that I should remove the flag on your second paid vote, not gonna happen. But, in case anyone else also wants to flag this gentleman's second bribe, find the link below. Just pop over and flag him. Thank you.

https://steemit.com/blockchain/@trueflip/the-vote#@deserttree/re-trueflip-the-vote-20170718t054300160z

Also, just to verify, this is the first comment where he also voted for 1, and received a whale upvote for doing so.

https://steemit.com/blockchain/@trueflip/the-vote#@deserttree/re-trueflip-the-vote-20170718t103041741z
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@deserttree ·
I woke up this morning and saw your flag and took it as a personal attack. I don't even fkn know you. "Why the fk this guy hating me?" going through my mind. I have been absolutely positive on Steemit and trying to create good content make new friends and be part of this great idea.

But the shit you did fkn flipped me. Maybe I should have just ignored you. You fkn provoked me, that is why I did what I did, only after seeing you being on flagging rampage. Normally I don't flag, unless it is serious offence. But you have made a game of it, just because you fkn have a bit more power over other minnows.

How is that fair competition, when you are being one of the competitor fkn spreading hate and flagging everybody. You fkn flagged those who didn't even vote, just left comments. That is not your fkn post.

You don't know me, you don't know why I voted the way I did. You could have just connected with me and asked I would have told you. I voted based on merits and friendship. I don't care about that money. As a matter of face I didn't even know I would get any upvote for my comment. 

I didn't comment twice intentionally. That was a mistake. If platform would have allowed me to remove I would have done so. Plus judges can see and disregard that, it is common sense. 

If you fkn talked to me, get to know me first, before attacking me, you would have found out we could be friends and you get your answers. 

Why are you hating @timsaid. His is brilliant steemian. How can't you love the guy. He has great contribution, beautiful photography and he connects with people and helps minnows. What have you done for minnows except for flagging?

I REPEAT, I DON'T CARE ABOUT MONEY, IT WASN'T ABOUT MONEY. Just because in your messy mind you got some ideas, doesn't mean people are like that. 

Only reason I am still talking to you is I am still hurt because of your attack and hoping somehow you will make this right. Please don't turn Steemit for something negative for me.

If you have questions I can answer them all.
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@deserttree · (edited)
Ok after doing some digging, now I see why the fuck you are spreading hate and shit. You are fkn in the competition yourself douchebag. You art is piece of shit.

First of all I don't fkn know you and you don't fkn know me. Why the fuck did you attack me???? I normally stay cool and positive. You attack on me making my language to be so negative about you.

YOU ARE FKN MORON AND DUMB. If you were fkn normal person and didn't attack me, we could have had a intelligent conversation.  I guess you lack some intelligence. 

What a hipocrate, spreading hate and earning money on this post. Complete BS. 

If you don't right the wrong you did to me, expect a payback. Asshole.
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@son-of-satire ·
> Ok after doing some digging, now I see why the fuck you are spreading hate and shit. You are fkn in the competition yourself douchebag.

Doing some digging? Lol. Well that was a waste of your time. You could have just pressed play on the video. I have made no attempt to hide that I am a contestant. However, even if I was not, I would still be calling out cuntish behaviour for what it is. Also, if you had watched the video before menstruating all over this post, two of my other posts, the trueflip post, and even all over my wallet, then you would see that I am not spreading hate at all, but rather the opposite.

>  First of all I don't fkn know you and you don't fkn know me. Why the fuck did you attack me???? I normally stay cool and positive. You attack on me making my language to be so negative about you.

Do you feel attacked? Lol. I don't feel I have attacked you, I offered you a chance to redeem yourself. But, rather than be a human, accept you made a mistake, and attempt to right your wrong, you instead chose to *attack me*.

> YOU ARE FKN MORON AND DUMB. If you were fkn normal person and didn't attack me, we could have had a intelligent conversation. I guess you lack some intelligence.

I wouldn't speculate on who is more intelligent based on such a short correspondence, but intelligence is completely irrelevant to this issue regardless.

> What a hipocrate, spreading hate and earning money on this post. Complete BS.

I can see nothing hypocritical about what I have done here, though I will openly admit that I did intend to decline payout on this post, but forgot. This is not the first time this has happened. I am human, and I am not infallible. Again though, I think the 4 dollars this post has made, for promoting a good message, is not a problem considering the 700 dollars that has been stolen from the reward pool to bribe persons such as yourself.

> If you don't right the wrong you did to me, expect a payback. Asshole.

I doubt I will see anything as hilarious as this before the end of this year. Thank you for that.
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@deserttree ·
As I explained in previous response it all started you flagging me. That made me mad. I took it as personal attack. If I watched your face I would be mad more.

How is 700 stolen? That is how system works. People suppose to be rewarded for their engagement. If anything that money went to minnows who need it most.
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@renzoarg ·
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Wait, why can't I like number 1?
FOUR fucking dollars? I wipe my ass with toilet paper that is more expensive. Sorry, but this mention you made of me can be considered Slander: You've my flag for that ;)
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About the TFL:
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On a separate topic, you cannot expect to to make a serious point with that language.
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@son-of-satire ·
I did not say you cannot like number 1, I simply implied that whomever voted for it for 4 dollars, is inconsiderate. This is completely true. 

Also, clearly I can expect to make a serious point with that language, because I did. And, judging by some of the comments on here, that point was understood perfectly. 


You sound like you're just making excuses. Any honest person would not pretend that this is acceptable behaviour.
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@renzoarg · (edited)
$5.04
Pal, $4... are you SERIOUS about that?

You are not making a point talking like a slum nigger to express your point about a topic, you're just ranting.
Please, put up EVIDENCE to accuse people of, at least, me.

People is entitled to hold contests as they please, with the rule sets they please. They may be flawed (a fact that I do not deny, the mentioned method only triggers a snowball effect that is anything but judgmental... oh, wait! <b>That is HOW THE ENTIRE STEEM NETWORK WORKS!</b>).

You "COULD", instead, propose another mean for the selection of a winner, stating the flaws of the actual one in a <b>civilized manner</b>.
<b>Or</b>, you can keep that slummy attitude if it makes you happy.
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@kayaman ·
$0.05
A wise man once said to me- "Anger is unproductive, my friend. Don't give them the satisfaction of knowing that they got to you. They will love that."
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@kayaman ·
lol.
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@son-of-satire ·
Haha. He sounds like a fucking genius. :P

Really though, I was not angry. I just have a potty mouth.. You can blame my mother! I recorded a video before this one, but the quality was so awful it had to be redone. Also, I felt that I was laughing and joking too much, showing too much of my personality. So, I recorded one more in better quality, and this time, tried to keep it more serious. But, I feel that has led some to believe I'm angry. In reality, I am one of the most difficult people that I have ever met to bring to anger. But people like to confuse speaking unwanted truths for being irate.
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@kayaman ·
lol for sure. was just fuckin with you.
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@dreemit · (edited)
$2.23
I am doing my best to imagine how I would feel about this video and these words if I had never before run across @son-of-satire, what would my objective point of view be here.  
If I were new and had made that choice to vote on number one it probably would have had more to do with hoping to make some friends who are instrumental on this site. I'm not saying I would have done this, but I have to be honest and say I don't know that I wouldn't have.  I do know that this post would have changed my mind. Not just as a question of morality, but also for the things he spoke about community. About working together and caring about one another.  
Of course in the end the truth is that I do know this man, he has become someone I consider a good friend, and it's a friendship I value very highly. Because he is by far one of the most honest people I have ever met, with a very definite sense of integrity.  He does, I'll admit, have a tendency to be blunt and therefore piss people off. I am one who generally takes a softer approach to things.  

I don't know @timsaid and I want to make a point that @son-of-satire might not have taken into consideration here-- it is very possible that Tim is a friend to the guy who has turned this contest into a joke. Perhaps as a friend he told him that he would upvote those who voted for him.  It is something I would do for a friend, it is something that I would do for this friend whose post I'm in. The difference is, that @son-of-satire would never have used this information to garner votes, not in a thousand years or for a million dollars.  Without knowing the truth behind why Tim chose to back eltooni, I feel that the one truly responsible for the dirt in this contest is eltooni.  I read the initial conversation between son-of-satire and eltooni, and I have to say what truly disgusts me about this entire thing is that eltooni has now edited these comments in an obvious attempt to make my friend look like a fool, or at the least to make himself look better. 

Having said all of this, I really want to ask everyone who comes on this post, please go to this competition and vote for your favorite.  Please don't let one man make a mockery of something that could have been great.  And if you were one of those who voted for number one for the wrong reasons, it's not too late to change your mind, in fact it takes a great amount of courage and I know that many will have serious respect for you if you do.

I really love so many people I have met here on steemit, and I love the sense of community I have felt since the beginning.  There will always be that one or that few that you wish would move from the community, but overall this place is great. Let's keep it that way!

Edit: I rarely ever vote up a comment of my own, but I'm choosing to do it in this case for visibility.
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@son-of-satire ·
Thanks for the things you have said here. Though, I don't think I piss that many people off, do I? Only people who don't want to be called out on their bullshit, but even at times, I'm able to do that in a respectful manner. 

I wish I could have the same faith in timsaid as you do, but, I think it seems as though this was his idea. He is the one who was messaging trueflip telling them to hurry up and post the winners, and he is the one who continued to vote every number 1 even after it was said to be unfair. He is not innocent in this, believe me.

Still, who is responsible is irrelevant. This wasn't meant to slander anyone, although it seems people have interpreted it that way. The main point of this post was to try to convince enough people to vote honestly, so we can promote the right message about Steemit, and more than that, so that we can set a better example for newcomers. If we keep allowing this sort of shit to go on, it's only going to get much worse, and there's not way I can stay if things don't start to change. 

That's not some sort of threat, as I expect I wouldn't be missed by many. But, it's simply a fact. I want to be a part of something positive, and the further we give in to greed, the less I can view Steemit as something positive for humanity.
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@dreemit ·
To be honest, this is much less about the contest for me, since it is a gambling site that is hosting it, and I'm afraid that I've yet to run into any true honest gambling, not on online sites, and not in casinos where it is generally rigged for the house.  It has more to do with wanting to see this specific community do better, be better, than the outside world is today.  

I have nothing against gambling sites or casinos to be clear, they are businesses and it's people's own fault that they get sucked in and lose their life savings for greed.

I just would have liked to see it operate differently HERE. That's all.
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@osmerj ·
$0.14
I totally agree with you, I am new to the community and never thought that the first post had used a trail to reach 92 votes, nor had I realized that only timsaid vote for those who chose the first place. How bad they lend their influence to this, was almost forced by the new to vote for the first place up to $ 5 in a comment anyway.

I hope to overcome this first post, I would not like to see win that basic image.

This is my post

https://steemit.com/trueflip/@osmerj/the-adventures-of-flip-and-chain-true-flip-s-steemit-challenge

Sorry for my bad translation, i use google
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@pollux.one ·
$13.75
As you call out my name directly, combined with some really strong words, that I won't repeat, I think I have to spend some time answering you. 

I have no clue about design (some more clue about art, but thats beside the point) still this competition never was about this knowledge. It was, to decide what the community likes best. In a "democratic way". Kind of funny to do that with a Stake based society. Probably you should have had the possibility to offer to noganoo a share of the price and he would have voted/commented with his 3000 sock accounts. As we see: democracy sucks and is as rigged as what you describe. ( I remember a situation when Madonna offered a blowjob to those voting for Hillary. I guess Donald would not have mad as much a drama than you do right now ). 

Steemit is a possibility to support people and content you like, with any given tools. Some tools can be used to game the system... true. But at the end everybody has the same possibilities (for anyone can use these tools in the same way) and the community will decide wether the use of the tools is supported or not. 

In this case the organizer of the contest wants to find out what is most supported by the system. The system is stake based, thus I see nothing "morally" wrong about that although I wouldn't have done what Tim did. 

Your argument about not giving a chance to a poor african genius "needing" the money... Well this is called a strawman-argument, while passive aggressively pointing out that you are some sort of victim. You know nothing about any of the other contestants, you know nothing about the voters. Are you divine, the all knowing objective judge who knows all the facts? I don't think so...

Also imho you are mistaken about Steemit giving an equal chance to everybody. Steemit is about life in its purest and wildest form. It's about adapting and fulfilling demands, about knowing the right people, about having (growing) a stake and about growing an economy that can be revolutionary. I can find no mention of equality in the whitepaper...

I know eltooni from the balkan chat. I like him and in fact I like his work more than the others (probaby I would have supported him even if I did not like his work the most). I also know Tim, and I know for a fact that he was not asked or (as you suggest) "bought" to support eltooni. He just did it, and I don't care for what reasons. 

For these 4 bucks... I don't care much about them, if you told me your argument in real life, I probably would have thrown them as pennies directly into your face. Short and sarcastic step back to your "african in need theorie": don't you think that Tim has helped to feed more then a hundred potential people in need with his support?

# TL; DR (and probably in your own words):
# don't be a pussy, grow some balls and loose like a man. 

Last but not least calling people you don't know names is one of the worst ways to react to any situation.
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@son-of-satire ·
People use the argument of a straw man far too often as an attempt to lessen the importance of an issue. Whether the person I spoke of exists is completely irrelevant, because obviously, the point of mentioning them was to express how little we do know, and how much we ought to consider a possibility because of that lack of knowing. It is not a straw man argument, to suggest that perhaps humans should be considerate of one another.

Also, so much of what you say is completely besides the point. Moaning about me calling you a name, which is, just to clarify, a word, is an irrelevant issue and my actions, whether you find them to be distateful or not, do not excuse the far more distasteful actions of those who have helped to rig the competition. 

Also,  you're running with this sore loser shit too, but it will get you nowhere.  I have openly admitted that number 11 deserves to win based on skill and effort alone. Now, that might be only my opinion. However, my opinion, and everyone else's has been made irrelevant because of the bribery. Thus, the integrity of the competition has been compromised, and you, regardless of your attempts to justify it, have also assisted in this.

I think it more likely that in real life, you would shut the fuck up and know that you and your little buddies are in the wrong, because in real life, you can't kiss arse for someone to upvote the words coming out of your mouth. Your points are valid only because they are valid, and not because someone with "power" decides your words are important. 

I do hope you enjoy this 13 dollars. Because after all, Steemit is about life at its purest and wildest form, which apparently means treating one another like cunts, and sucking up to anyone with a bit of clout.

I happen to think Steemit is about something else, as do a lot of people. What is the point of using honest technology, immutable ledgers that are all about fairness, if the humans operating the technology are not going to be honest and fair too? 

You can sit there and attempt to be funny, and insinuate that I am a pussy for speaking. But, I have not shown any signs of anger here. That has been shown only by a few who voted for 1, I suspect because they'd rather lash out than face their own decision honestly.

There's nothing pussy-ish about that. But, your closing comment suggests that the reason you sent me this excruciatingly long and rather empty-- in terms of valid talking points--comment, is because you're offended that I said some names. I do consider that to be very pussyish. Man up.
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@pollux.one ·
The fact you are aware what a staw man argument is and the way you react to it, makes me believe, you have often used it, and were exposed doing so.  Ignoring my arguments as "empty" without countering them is the next thing to do after having using a failed strawman... go on with your wannabe rhetorics exposing yourself even more as a butthurt troll. 

You assume too many things and as it seems you know (or understood) much too little.
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