Eos already has an economic model to support this and with control in so few hands there, organization is easier. 10ish wallets hold 50+ percentage and they are definitely active.

The voice already has an economic base layer to build on that satisfies the investors, Steem does not. Dan has learned it seems that giving control to content produces is not the way to go so, has given control to blockproducers and stake. The contributors aren't going to get EOS, they will get some other token and the Blockchain will underpin it. 

Copying what they do for marketing doesn't likely work because they have a different structure already operational below them. A centralised one and one where content producers aren't vying for the same pool as investors.

Eos might do really well, just like Facebook and Google.

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Exactly! 
No tech talk, easy to understand... 
No bots, no multiple accounts, no downvotes... 
KYC mustn't be always bad. 
Let's see how voice will work
Have a great day
Tom

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The mainstream is where is at. Sometimes when I hear the techy chat in this place and the hero worship of deplatformed toxic minorities I despair. Add to that the most important thing you have noted above is this.

> rewarding our end users did not bring down the price our Stakeholders selling did.

Seems like a safe place to put your money.... And Words... Oh , wait..
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>Steem may go up in value, but I see no indication we have anyone who knows now to manage a business, grow a site or even spin a vision.

Always the problem with techies in this crypto space. They think there is no need for designers, business and marketing people in their utopian decentralised world and the answer to everything is employ more coders! Hence we have had no growth and are all still using an ugly and disfunctional UI called Steemit!

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You are right about that. Actually nobody want to join a losing team

Maybe this will prompt the Steem and Steemit people into action to actually build this platform. We have the first mover advantage, but don't want Steem to be another Betamax

You are right, but you see that those at top are not willing to invest in product itself. Playing with internal math is showing that they want to earn thousands, not millions. With such logic - it will collapse. 

Marketing is NOT easy. People actually go to school to learn it.

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They also didn't really say anything of substance for the critical viewer. They guarantee no bots? Tell me how, or I don't believe you. They guarantee all unique users? Again - tell me how. If it's just "Block.one has a multi-step process for verifying that a person is both real and unique" - that isn't very compelling to me. You need people to buy in, why should I buy in to a system where they place themselves as gatekeepers? If this is supposed to be a generalized solution for identity on EOS as a whole, why we would accept such a gatekeeper position when the whole point of blockchain is to remove middlemen (gatekeepers are a form of middleman).

You say that they are speaking to a mainstream audience. All that you have shown of this is that they didn't use technical jargon or go on at length about libertarian values. What evidence is there that this is actually reaching a mainstream audience? Is this being talked about outside of the very crypto community you say they don't need to speak to? Show me evidence that this is genuinely reaching a mainstream audience before you hold this up as a successful example.

The difference I see is that they are selling the Voice as a Dapp while we are building an ecosystem around the concept of community.  It feels as if ours is more sustainable.

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You are right. Sometimes I feel Steem is too technical. I also think it is only a marketing issue, like many things in business and life in general.

He had to focus on a general audience, because the crypto community in a large part will utterly reject Voice due to certain choices they've made requiring self-doxxing and centralization. While we should work on having more widespread appeal and not fall into appealing to our base...maybe it's not a great idea to follow too closely along with someone that's alienated their base with their product.

Sounds more like a donation platform since you have to pay for each upvote out of pocket 🤣🤣🤣 #FAIL 

When I watched it I thought, "Oh Shit, he's taking the Steve Jobs approach!  These guy's are going to take over social media!"  That was my initial thought and I did sign up.  I'm really not so sure though.  We can do better, we just gotta do it.  I mean people who understand the main advantages of cryptocurrency and the anonymity behind it are going, "WTF, This isn't even a true blockchain solution!"  and then we go, "But the mainstream doesn't know or care about the underlying technology, they don't really have the time to understand it anyway...What they want is the idea of privacy and protecting their data and they will gladly hand that over to people they believe."  

Steve Jobs was totally believable because he seemed like this tech dude who gives a shit about my user experience. Brandon certainly sounded like he gives a shit about people's privacy and wanting a person to have a positive online experience that's beneficial. We've got real competition now and Steemit better get their shit together!  We need a Steve Jobs type leader out front.  I'll do it, but I'm 40 now,  Not sure if  the younger generations will trust someone over the hill.  But I can assure you that I care...

I don't know it was boring to me.  
No bots, no multiple accounts, that means sending passport, id an a photo probably. not a great thing.

They still does not have a network of people to be pissed at the system. Steem's biggest advantage and flaw is the community. because you always have someone who will be pissed off and he has the place where he can freely write about Steem things that he is pissed off. 

Although the pre-recorded keynote was horrible to watch and Brendan is super stiff, I agree with you on the communication part. Their website also is very clean and end-user friendly. There is big BUT, though:

It seems they're not getting the product right, again. They want to pack everything in one thing. Why? Of course you can have a social platform to share all kinds of content, but has that ever worked? Why would it work this time? Do people care enough about the curation being performed by algorithms? Will something that resembles the failed curation mechanism of Steem work better only because the distribution is (initially) fairer and they have KYC? Will this prevent bots entirely? All hard to believe.

I think Dan is making a lot of his old mistakes again, this time with much more money. Yes, the community is what's important, but in order to get people on board and keep them there's much more needed than just some shiny marketing. Let's see what the actual product has to offer.

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