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为什么上海最好的学校都是民办? by stacee

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为什么上海最好的学校都是民办?
今天看到@tumutanzi大哥的[为什么这个城市的私立学校成为主流?](https://steemit.com/cn/@tumutanzi/7xvsdb)文章,里面探讨了家长为什么愿意选择私校和担心私校会导致阶层固化——以我了解到的上海教育现状,这简直是必然的,而且比珠海有过之而不及。

跟珠海一样,上海最优秀的学校,从幼儿园开始到初中都是民办。只有很少的几所公办小学勉强能挤进小学排行榜,但讽刺的是这个排行榜是基于能考进几所优秀民办初中的人数之和,因为考不进好的民办初中就考不进市重点高中,考不进市重点高中985211就别想了,最多上个一本学校。所以民办就成了望子成龙的家长们的目标。

![003Dh25qgy6ZVBBF7g125.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmRXT8hLGowsYMV29DSzZ2p96MzxiHBUrnEPxoAeyuMWyQ/003Dh25qgy6ZVBBF7g125.jpg)
*据说是最难考的民办学校之一,发给家长的问卷调查甚至包括了爷爷奶奶外公外婆的学历职业*
[source: 新浪微博](
http://s6.sinaimg.cn/mw690/003Dh25qgy6ZVBBF7g125)

虽然这些民办学费从3万到10多万一年不等,还不是花钱就可以入学:孩子要考试,家长要调查问卷,填父母学历工作,择优录取,录取率都是几十个里面才能取一个。为了能考进民办小学,民办幼儿园会从小班开始教认字、逻辑、英语,还会建议想考民办小学的家长到机构上课,每年民办小学发通知书的时候,民办幼儿园还会放榜:统计拿到的知名民办小学通知书,这个榜也会成为民办幼儿园的招生宣传材料,就这样一环扣一环撑起了上海的民办学校一条龙服务。

为什么民办会比公办好这么多?除了@tumutanzi大哥说的教师待遇更好之外,上海公办有三点限制了发展:

- 不得超纲教学,公办必须严格在教委的范围内上课,所以被戏称快乐教育。民办不受限制,数学超前上课,英语有补充教材。学得多了自然成绩更好。

- 民办通过考试入学,能筛选到好苗子;公办招的都是户口在划定范围内的学生,不管好坏都得收,也不允许分重点班区别对待。好的差的一起学,只会把好苗子耽误。

- 公办不让补课,3点半放学。民办放学后可以补课,当然是收费的。加上各类学校开办的兴趣班,明面上3-10万一年的学费实际上支出至少是翻一倍的。

上海的教育现状已经跟国外接近了,公办一路读上去快乐教育,作业少不补课,除了个别能考一本的最后出路二本、大专预定。但如果想进民办,钱、家长付出大量精力、孩子的努力缺一不可,这些门槛加剧阶层的固化,最终就会像欧美那些国家一样,精英从上学开始形成封闭圈子垄断教育资源,平民能获得的仅仅是最基础的普及教育。
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@irak23 ·
is the best your post,im upvote and resteem your post.
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@drunkevil · (edited)
以后是不是要私立和公立一起招生了?这样就只有一次的报名机会了,可能会进一步拉高学区房的房价。
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@stacee ·
据说现在是如果考民办公办只能统筹了,这样最好的学区可能维持,二线学区可能会涨,因为最好的学区比如明珠现在买来年限不够的家长会赶紧去买二线的
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@vandadream ·
上海房价太贵了!
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@towardsthesun ·
每次聊这个话题都让人觉得沉重。不过,美国来说,高校多一些。
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@tvb ·
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我能不能说句时兴的话来解释这个事:

因为公立学校是中心化的,而许多私立学校是市场经济深化的结果,更接近去中心化的。去中心化的,相对中心化的,好处还是多一些的哈哈哈
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@stacee ·
可以这么理解,公立学校受到教委的限制比较多,民办的学校相对来说自由一些
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@tvb ·
私立的学费贵,所以教师和管理师的收入高,有了高收入的机制,教育效果相对也是要高一些的吧。

我觉得私营经济的繁荣和先进,说明了上海市场经济发展得好。

像我们东北就不这样,因为我们经济不行呀。
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@stacee ·
公立好也有好处,说明阶层还存在流动性吧。如果真的到公立只有平民阶层去上,精英都去民办,就加剧了阶层的固话。
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@tvb ·
是呀,流动性还是有的,只是能逆袭的很少,因为教育毕竟对人的能力和影响很大。
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@tvb ·
一个城市之内,大城市与小城市,城市与农村等等,由于教育资源向金钱集中的地方流动,从而导致教育水平的二元化越来越严重。

这个问题是需要政府来解决,从税收呀补贴呀等方式,向落后地区倾斜,从而尽量减少这种教育的两极分化的现象,从而减轻这种现象给社会带来的不利影响。

唉这不是我N年以前的写过的本科论文,我才想起来。
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@stacee ·
说是需要政府解决,但是我感觉这些年教育资源是越来越集中在发达地区了,原因之一就是落后地区很难招到好老师
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@tvb ·
政府我只能说呵呵。
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@tvb · (edited)
在这种情况下,我们能做的就是努力吧。

第一,努力挣钱,给孩子提供更好教育的物质基础。

第二,从家庭教育上努力,培养孩子和提高的个人修养、学习能力和综合素材。

第三,以身作则,给孩子一个好榜样,让孩子有更好的生活、学习、思考等好习惯吧。

没办法,我们不能逆转这个世界,只能努力在洪流中力争上游。成功也好,失败也罢,最起码要努力!

只有努力才有希望,也只有努力,才能无悔!
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@tvb ·
大部分上海人应该都是像我这么想的,因为安于现状不思进取的人,不会选择留在上海这种竞争如此激烈的地方。

正是许许多聪明而勤奋的人,才造就了上海的辉煌和繁荣吧。

每个人各自拼博着,互相关联、影响着,就像是区块链上的一次次活动一样。去中心化本身就是一种激烈。既没有中心可以特别照顾谁,也没有中心可以扶持帮助谁,每个人只能顺应着周围的链,努力奋进着,共同书写着这个区块链的历史。
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