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· @stellabelle · (edited)
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Money Has Divided Us
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# As I was reading the latest from @beanz, @krnel, @gavvet, @mynamisbrian and @papa-pepper it has become quite apparent that money has divided us. 

It's clear that this community seems quite divided right now. If you think about it, we are not working together at this stage. We don't have a common goal. We each have our own bank accounts within this space which has been guiding many people's actions. Not everyone, of course, but I think many do not feel a common goal anymore. Each is trying to figure out how to dominate the space. The ones who have been generous towards others seem to be obscured because the dramatic posts tend to get the attention. This seems to be a product of human nature, as strife and conflict generate stronger emotional reactions in us than do feel-good posts. Anyone in media knows this reality.

I don't have the answers, obviously, but if was a whale and I was trying to decide who to delegate my Steem Power to with the upcoming hardfork, I would think very carefully about the following characteristics:

- how much time does this person spend on promoting other people's posts, both within Steemit and outside of it?
- how much has this person done to spread wealth, in the form of comments and also with Steem?
- how has this person been able to balance self-interest with the community needs?
- how honest is this person?
- how does this person handle interpersonal conflicts?
- does this person lash out in anger when someone disagrees with him/her?
- how does this person treat others?
- does this person communicate honestly and with respect to others?

The whales do have a very important role in here. If they do not think about the above things in a very careful manner, I am afraid the current dramas could get even more pronounced. These issues are not going to go away until we come up with a common goal we can all get behind. 

The only goal that I think we can all agree on right now is this:
We all want the value of Steem to go up.

But the problem is that we all have different opinions about how to achieve this. I will tell you, though, having this community split up into warring factions is a sure way to kill this site. Conflict is not the problem, as all human interaction involves conflict. It is how each of us deal with conflict that matters. 

My last thought is this:

# If you cannot laugh at yourself, you're lost.
http://i.giphy.com/xT8qAY7e9If38xkrIY.gif

Whatever anger you're holding onto right this second, let it go. It's poisoning you. I don't have the answers but I know that holding a grudge can really destroy future possibilities. And if you've been doing stupid stuff that is without integrity, just stop it. Also, I'd like to say that the following people seem to truly care about this place and if I were a whale, I would trust them with my own Steem Power: @thecryptofiend, @timcliff, @mammasitta and @personz. There are others, but these are the people who come to mind.

If you've recently been flagged by a whale, I highly recommend you read this post by @papa-pepper:
https://steemit.com/how-to/@papa-pepper/how-to-behave-in-the-event-of-a-whale-attack
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@lasseehlers ·
Selfpromotion and investment seams to be the agenda of steemit, not that there is anything wrong with that.
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@stellabelle ·
without common goals, warring will become more pronounced.
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@lasseehlers ·
I just see it as healthy competition, woman and men have always been competitive to eachother, that also goes on steemit.

Even though I have not had many high paying posts yet and I am therefore appearently not very strong in the competition for rewards on steemit, then I still understand and believe that competition is healthy for the humanity and the common goods.
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@liberosist · (edited)
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I feel everyone should just take a step back, calm down and realise that Steem it's a free(dom), open platform. Sure, people are free to rant to their heart's content, but what I mean is the source of the rants seem to be some underlying frustration borne from misunderstanding the system. 

Instead, it would be more productive to criticize the system and talk about how that can be improved, rather than attacking the players who are merely playing within the rules. 

"If you cannot laugh at yourself, you're lost." - Well said. Perhaps we need to take a step back and do just that :)
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@lennstar ·
> Instead, it would be more productive to criticize the system and talk about how that can be improved, rather than attacking the players who are merely playing within the rules.

OMG - you propose we actually do politics??
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@liberosist ·
You don't need to get into politics to protest :)
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@scaredycatguide ·
Interesting times indeed.  Alot of it is outside of my scope so I focus on what I can control - Producing value add content.  I do hope there will be a group of folks that can lead positive changes in some kind of harmony.
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@solarguy · (edited)
You and your gang/guild are a huge part of the problems.  

Blame the system but it's the *"human factor"* that failed steemit.

**Steemit** there is more hate than love..  Th only people buying Steemit now are already dedicated users.

Ask what YOU can do to fix that.  Your Post helps no one but YOUR bank account.

Greed. huge problem.  

The *'current'* trail you are apart of failed the platform.

Steemit is fucked.  Look in the mirror!!! See what's really happening here, it's bigger than you. You are nothing compared to the money made by the whales.  
**They are throwing you under the bus.**

No one with 2+ BTC would spend it here if they have brain.

BUT hey it's someone else's fault!
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@son-of-satire · (edited)
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This is like the sixth time I have come to a post to find you and your negativity. Did you not write your "last ever post" and say you were leaving like six weeks ago? Why are you still here pissing on positivity then?

This is a well-intended piece and I consider it to be of relevance. You speak of greed being the main problem here on Steemit, but is it not greed that has you constantly leaving comments like this?

You feel you deserve more and that you account value should be a lot higher. Perhaps you do, and maybe it should. However, going around and bitching on every post that is made with intent of achieving those very things for you, is counterproductive and extremely ungrateful. I do not see you making any effort to unify the community or to provide ideas on how to improve things here. No. All you actually do is moan, moan and moan. 

I take no joy in writing comments such as this. The first time I seen this sort of crap from you, I attempted to help and even followed you with the intent of upvoting your posts to help boost your motivation. 

Now I have seen too much of this from you. Whiny little bitches spamming every single post with complaints about how shit Steemit is, is far more dangerous for the survival of this platform than a low demand for STEEM. 

I do hope you will take up meditation or some type of relaxation therapy, because you are far too negative and have a habit of soiling the atmosphere on just about every post that is unlucky enough to receive a comment from you.
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@solarguy · (edited)
Sometimes reality is too hard to see.  You see negativity but i am saving people from losing money by paying the rent of a few people who network with WHALES here.

I see how you can say I am an evil thorn in your side.  I'm sorry for that, really, but that things I say are not trivial or wrong.  I only say what is i happening.

You are also victim to these things. ** YES you** are defending the very beast that prevents you from reaching your true potential.  You can try to shut me up but until Steemit represents what **they claim to represent** someone, if not me, will call you all out.  **This place was made to satisfy a few people, you are not on that list.**

Don't worry.  you did good with your reply, the whales and trails will keep voting you.

Something fishy is going on here.

Maybe you are on the right side, but people who could invest money and make you rich, disagree.  So go ahead and make me feel small.  You are only big to a select few humans involved with steemit. 

# You sacrifice the greater good for your own bank account and blame me.

yes I Steemicided a month ago 

# so I have nothing to LOSE
 I will continue to show the truth until I am finished!  I have nothing to lose!!
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@stellabelle · (edited)
I wasn't going to respond to you, but I will. I'm not part of any guild or gang. I operate as an individual, as I have from the very first day. I'm a writer and artist, and I just happened to find Steemit by accident one day. 
If you think that there's more hatred than love in Steemit, I'd like you to look at how the community has come together and given @karenmckersie a lot of extra Steem, to make up for @smooth's flag, which did have severe and negative consequences on her. That's an indicator that there are 8 people willing to step up and make something right when one is severely traumatized by something that happens in here.
Steemit has value to me and I continue to blog here. I would be blogging on Medium, but it isn't monetized. Artists and writers, creators have to make money to live. I have no other source of income right now. I probably should get a job, but to be totally honest, I want to spend my time building something in here. If you want to bash someone, don't bash me. I'm a single mother for fuck's sake. I have no child support, nothing. I have to be both the father and mother to a child and provide everything including money, care taking, nurturing, FUCKING ALL OF IT.

# I worked my ass off and lived in abject poverty for years as a single mother. 

I'd like to see anyone do this. It's a test of strength, resolve, willpower and resilience. I continue to work my ass off in many respects. Time is precious to me. Energy is more precious. YOU look in the mirror.
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@solarguy ·
Stellebelle, I honestly think you and I could sit and have drinks and talk shit about the world,sort of, as friends. you are not a bad person.

**My @steemicide was not meant to express that i did not like you.**

I admire you, and **you follow your dreams** rather than follow money. Really.  I think your video response could have been less humiliating to me. But that's that.  

I still see things here as un-true and if @Son-of-Satire wants to say i'm a negative influence on Steemit that their right.  But my posts, aside from my steemicide and comments, have been nothing but my regular gibberish.

I do not need to hear people like that trying to chase me away. It only feeds the fire of why this is a bad place to invest.    9 cents to a 10 cents at the moment. ** I'm seen as the problem.?!**

I invested over 6 months of my life being nothing but positive here.  I have welcomed more newbies than you or @sons-of-satire but they have no SP so why should you or he/she care for them??

Now I am black listed, by power users, for my thoughts.

Some people come here and say way worse things than I have and continue to get big votes, that makes us plebs feel we are on to something.

Sons of Satire can wish my death as has already been expressed.  I will not go away.  I want this place to be a great for many but I am singled out as a cancer.

The cancer here is not me for calling it out.

I am not going anywhere, my posts will continue as they have since i joined.

The more hate I receive the more it will damage steemit in the future not me as an individual. 

So @Son-of-Satire bring it on!!!  I will only say what I feel and if you want to bully me as you your crew will support you watch Steemit Crash!!!!!!!!!  

#I have NOTHNG TO LOSE HERE.  NOT A DAMN THING!!!!!!!!
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@diego24 ·
I tell you how to behave ... sell off all your steem and stop posting content.
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@solarguy ·
the words of babes eh @stellabelle

See how how things have evolved here??

Ive been here, like you, since post easily cleared $100.  and this is what we hear!!??  I am the cancer? really?
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@stevescoins ·
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The big divide is on the use of downvoting to reduce rewards.

>We all want the value of Steem to go up.

I do believe that the people using the *downvote to equalize reward pool* believe they are working towards that goal.

So I believe that everybody *thinks* they are moving to the goal.  In fact, after Dan's explanation of the use of a downvote as a curation strategy some time ago, I switched my own thinking in agreement.  Previously, I was of the mind that flagging should ONLY be used for spam, plagiarism, or harassment.

HOWEVER, after seeing the effects that downvoting strategy has caused in real Steemit, and especially to writers who I feel contribute towards the platform's value, I have to change my mind to my original view.

The negative emotional response to getting downvoted because *the post was over-rewarded* is going to drive contributors away, or lessen their efforts.  It's going to cause drama and negative PR.

It was a good idea on paper that turns out badly in use.

Keeping in mind that investors who use curation strategies to bolster their investment in the platform have *different* return goals than do contributors or investors who are looking for a long term rise in value, w also have to see that using downvoting to reduce a specific post reward is also "punishing" the investing curator.

Finally, the questions that you ask whales to consider regarding *characteristics* of the contributor before reducing a post's reward may mitigate some of the damage of the *downvote to equalize reward pool* tactic.  

Good post!
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@stellabelle ·
yeah, I think human happiness is not even taken into account when rules are made. 
I agree with you in that the "reducing rewards" will always be a sting, a super negative thing that drives down engagement but I don't know what the solution is. I have downvoted posts too, and I felt justified in doing so.
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@lennstar ·
Easy solution is to vote more on other posts. That downs the others. 

Of course with so many guilds and bots maximizing voting(rewards), thats not possible.
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@stevescoins ·
I think there is a *huge* difference in flagging based on abuse (spam, harassment, plagiarism), flagging based on disagreement, and flagging as a reward "equalizing" strategy.

I have flagged several times in the first category, and once (a poor decision, btw) in the second.

There is more than a bit of arrogance in the third.

It's one thing to flag because *I didn't like this post* (justifiable, even if IMHO a bad tactic), and something else altogether to flag because *I don't think the community values the post*

In fact, the more I consider the application of the *I don't think the community values the post/ this post doesn't deserve what the rest of the community has assigned* viewpoint, the more annoyed I get ;>  If I wanted to have someone else curate for me, I would join a curation guild.

I don't have the answers myself, but I think you ave done a good job in setting some parameters to look at.  Shouldn't a contributor who has spent long hours building overall value enjoy a little cumulative reward in a specific post?  yes.  And I think your list of questions brings that to a point.
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@skypal · (edited)
I think if this strategy of whale voting to redistribute rewards is here to stay, it would greatly help in reducing people's frustration if the payout quantity wasn't visible until after the pay period. As it stands, what an author sees, rises and falls, and in the end, only 50% of roughly 75% of the number value you see is actually paid as cold hard cash. This can be an emotional roller coaster, and like in the case of @karenmckersie frustration is understandable. Also, psychologically, it's a flag. If it were a "steemstribution" button, the reaction also might be different. As it stands, it's the same button as for spam. So, I could be hurt if i'm flagged and don't understand why.

Maybe a crash course upon sign up, explaining all these things in @stellabelle -esque noobie speak, would help too. New users are bound to be confounded by everything going on at the moment, and an explanation of the mechanics and reasoning behind whale flagging would go a long way.
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@stevescoins ·
good perspective.  hell, I been here since the end of July and I don't understand some underlying concepts.

would withholding the public value of the current reward hinder curation?  interesting question
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@canadian-coconut ·
I agree on the "crash course" when joining.  I just posted a similar comment.
People need to know that Steemit is the "Wild West" and they can not have any expectations of what the payout will be.
It is when our expectations come crashing down that we feel so bad.  ie, we expected a $40 payout and look a couple hours later to see that someone flagged it down to $20.   It feels like theft, plain and simple.  It feels like a violation.  And it will always feel like a violation to people who expect Steemit to be fair.  
The way it is, Steemit is NOT fair.  Unless we change it to make it fair, than we have to change people's expectations.
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@buzzbeergeek ·
$0.07
This kind of pacifying posts help the community. I like to think it's not only  about money. It makes me happy just to be able to earn something in a few simple steps. Thanks @stellabelle .
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@stellabelle ·
We all have much more in common than we realize. We just need to dig further to find commonalities. 
If we focus on Steemit vs. Facebook, we're all on the same team. Now, how we do translate that into here?
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@buzzbeergeek ·
Your post inspired me to write my new one. Thanks!
https://steemit.com/steemit/@buzzbeergeek/how-to-distribute-wealth-on-steemit-two-famous-philosophers
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@meesterboom · (edited)
I think that as long as some people earn more than average earnings for posts that are indeed average and rarely above, then others will get annoyed. The current downvotes thing might help but obviously causes resentment

 I usually encourage people not to look at trending posts and what other people are earning and focus on their own blog and helping others but it is human nature to look at other peoples stuff with shiny eyes.

I don't have any solutions but I liked your post and I think that we all need to be reasonable, rational and yes, be able to laugh at ourselves :0)
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@son-of-satire · (edited)
$0.06
Great post. I have upvoted and resteemed because it's certainly worth a read for a fair few people out there.

I would like to add @krnel onto that list at the end though. I often disagree with him, but based on my observation, it certainly appears as though he gives a massive shit about Steemit and about seeing the community thrive.
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@paradise-found ·
Thanks @stellabelle.  We all want the value of Steem to go up!
This is our common ground.
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@stellabelle ·
Now we just need to figure out how to achieve this common goal.....
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@paradise-found · (edited)
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Yes, and I don't think its by ranting as many did yesterday.  As a newbie (two weeks) I was shocked.  I thought that if that's what happens here, it won't last long.  Seriously, it was an eye opener.  So reason and understanding needs to prevail.  Questioning everyone's motives is a losing battle.
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@diego24 ·
I found a way to make my Steem value go up ... sell it for bitcoin XD
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@acidyo ·
Great post,stellabelle! I agree with all the points you used. 

If there is something I hate the most in the world its greed, thus I can easily spot it when it happens from time to time and I have to say power combined with it is a lot like the power from the ring of lord of the rings. It can corrupt users.
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@stellabelle ·
wow! You and I agree on the same things! It's like Steemit has a chance!
You were one that hated my posts! You used to troll me, at least that's how I perceived you. 
Maybe there's a chance after all....
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@acidyo ·
I never troll! And I never hated on you, I just disliked the way you changed after the autovotes stopped, and that, like many of my comments are opinions. 

Just cause I disagreed with some of your opinions/actions doesn't mean i'll automatically disagree with everything you stand for. My thoughts and opinions are not on an auto-upvote bot :D
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@dimimp · (edited)
$0.06
Let's be honest, the money is main reason why so many are here.  Blockchains ar the money of today.  Followed and full power upvote for you anyway :)
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@stellabelle ·
I am here because it's monetized. If it weren't I'd be on Medium.
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@the-future ·
$0.08
Yes, I agree, greed is a big factor that changes​ a lot of people. I also made almost a similar post, and I have to say that I saw a lot of people doing posts about this topic.
The only way that this is going to work is, in my opinion, that people should release their mind from the money and work together as a team. Now, only because the steem price is lower than it was in the past, that doesn't mean it will be like this forever. It could go lower or higher, but people don't have to spend their time arguing, and they should start fixing the problems are inside this platform.
It could be $100 the price of steem, but if people are fighting every post they make, it's not worth it.
It's more important to have a healthy mind and no money than to have a damaged mind and money. Then to use that money to fix your brain.
Fight the fighter is not the answer!
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@stellabelle ·
> It's more important to have a healthy mind and no money than to have a damaged mind and money. Then to use that money to fix your brain.

Ha ha!!! YOU'RE CORRECT!!!!!!!!  This was great.
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@the-future ·
Well, glad to hear that! I just shared my opinion like everyone else, and I think all the users should do the same, then we should try to find a solution to steemit problems!
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@canadian-coconut · (edited)
I wouldn't say that money itself is dividing the community.  
I would say that theft is dividing the communuty.  
In reality if the rules say it is allowed then technically it is not theft.  However, most here don't know or understand those rules, or disagree with them.

Point being is that it feels like theft and that creates pain and rage.  

Either an introductory page/posts need to loudly declare over and over that people must not count their Steem until it's paid out, so that people have zero expectations here and know that it's the "wild west".  

Or we change the flagging system.
I would prefer that flags carry no monetary damage.

Communication is key so that people's  expectations are that Steemit is NOT FAIR.
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@stellabelle ·
> Either an introductory page/posts need to loudly declare over and over that people must not count their Steem until it's paid out, so that people have zero expectations here and know that it's the "wild west".

> Or we change the flagging system.

I think you're right.
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@the-ego-is-you ·
>I would prefer that flags carry no monetary damage.

Agreed. Flags should hurt rep and normal downvotes should at least only adjust payout in my opinion.  Mixing the two is the worst solution.
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@skeptic ·
https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/681743255410319373
React by posting about the platform on the censorship on other platforms.
word is spreading and fast.
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@the-ego-is-you ·
$0.06
One way to solve these issues faster: Bag holders that think we're going the wrong direction, put your money where your mouth is. Start paying some developer salaries and start any initiative whatsoever to turn this ship around.
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@afrog · (edited)
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Not a long time ago I was involved in a whales war by wrong commenting. I told something wrong in this dantheman and berniesanders–war and wasn't voted by whales again. I didn't realize first that something happened but then there came special questions from my Guild, β€œβ€¦did you wrote this and that…? did you vote there, oh, you agreed!?…”  and then I saw, no whale came by my writing. Then I had five or six private chats and was totally upset because I have been banned for the wrong commenting.

My first reaction was: β€žOkay, I have to go. It is no free speach here, it's a whales kingdom, hit the road frog. We are corrupted by money.β€œ But then I remembered all those private chats, where the people told me how they appreciate my writings and how sad they would be, to lose my so called afrogs. It doesn't took six hours and I was convinced, Steemit is my community. The whales power is not my problem, it is the whales own problems, where I was involved and when I complain in public, I just show my own weekness. 

@krnel has been a hero for me. Then he was doing the witness job and I said yes, I know this witness and I vote for him, glad to have such witnesses. But what shall i think now about him. I wasn't complaining about whales. I even know the whales name, who did it wrong in my case. He failed and had his own problems. I don't talk about this case anymore. It's over. I doesn't want to give a cheater any satisfaction by complaining about his behavior.  I try to be gentleman. @krnel would have better strictly shown his interlectual power, instead of fighting a public war for some cybercoins.

Now everybody knows, how important the earnings are for him. But a witness has to think in the very first for the sanity of his community and maybe then, when the whole community is without any problem, then take care for his own behalf. He made a mistake and my wish is, he will see it clearly and turn to be my hero again. That's better for the whole community.
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@gaitan ·
My opinion is that both parties are kind of right. And we better contribute to a better system, rather that start a shitty "war" over a few bucks.
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@papa-pepper ·
Good thoughts to add to the discussion and thanks for mentioning and linking my post.

We will see what happens. 
## Kool aid anyone?
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@stellabelle ·
your belly is already full!
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@papa-pepper ·
That's why I've got some to share!
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@barrydutton ·
would appreciate your comments on this post about this!!!


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@merej99 ·
Geez, I've been away for a bit and come back to a very hot topic! I have personally never downvoted anyone though I have reported cases of SPAM and plagiarism to Steemcleaners ***because that is their purpose.***

To downvote a person's efforts simply on the basis of equalizing the reward pool is frustrating to me by the simple fact that not everyone makes the same amount per post per day. **Not everyone even posts every day!** Not everyone puts in as much time or effort to creating a well-thought post as some others. Not everyone interacts purposefully with the intention to engage and build their community. 

Now, if I hacked up 10 posts per day 
1- they'd probably be junk
2- I'd probably lose many of my supporters and followers because they've come to expect a certain amount of quality from me *(at least I think/hope so)*
But even still - IF those junk posts started to make a significant amount of money per day, it's still not right for someone to come along and "equalize" the reward pool. We are not a police state nor are we in utopia but many of us have diligently built a following and support group organically.

So, if we want organic upvotes then why not institute a recaptcha for them? Wouldn't that help equalize things and slow down or get rid of the auto-bot votes which may in fact be a big part of this issue?

In the meantime, I say the "equalizing" downvotes need to stop because it's detrimental to the emotional well-being of our site.
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@onlyvoluntary ·
not surprised that a community of thousands of ppl has differences..
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@barrydutton ·
would appreciate your comments on this post about this!!!


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@justtryme90 ·
There are a lot of people working hard to help people in the community. Not all of those people are as outgoing as some of those you have listed, but there are a lot that aren't worrying about rewards and are just trying to make steemit a good place.
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