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· @curangel · (edited)
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Call for crabs / Where have all the minnows gone
Downvoting is a big topic since newsteem.
Some are very opposed to the whole concept, but most understand why it is a necessity on a decentralized platform without another option to regulate rewards.

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The [original STEEM whitepaper](https://steem.com/steem-whitepaper.pdf) states on page 12:

> Through the addition of negative voting it is possible for many smaller stakeholders to nullify
the voting power of collusive groups or large, defecting stakeholders. 
[...]
The use of negative voting to keep people from abusing the system leverages the crab mentality that many
people have when it is perceived that one individual is profiting at the expense of everyone else. While crab
mentality normally refers to short-sighted people keeping good people down, it is also what allows good
people to keep bad people down.

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Unfortunately, most of the smaller crabs leave the responsibility to whale accounts. The notion "but what can I do, I'm just a small fish", which is so common in the politics of the outside world, seems to be very prevalent in this community too.

This thinking is really destructive. Let me give you a perspective: the @curangel project has upvoted nearly 2000 accounts during the last month. Even if each of those had a vote of only 1 cent, that would give them enough power to collectively counter the actions of the (probably) biggest abuser on here - @haejin (who switched from self-upvoting to downvoting people who care and upvoting other shitposts).
Most certainly the average power is higher than that, and you are not alone. Many whales stand by your side, and if the whole community works together the free downvotes alone would be enough to drown abusers.

Of course retaliation is a reality, and many refrain from taking action because of this. But with this attitude, you only push those doing the work in the focus. We at curangel are kind of getting used to all our posts being greyed out because of revenge downvotes by now. There were some attempts by bigger stakeholders to recover them, but they seemingly got tired a lot faster than the retaliators. 
But as a community, we have the possibility to stop them from targeting individuals. If hundreds of minnows band together, there is just no way all of them can be targeted for revenge. You may receive a hit once in a while, but keeping out of it completely allows the retaliators to focus on a few good people like @adetorrent. Luckily he and others don't worry about it too much for now, but for how long will they stand when most of their posts get hidden on a constant basis? If everyone keeps out of the fight, and the abusers are successful, you might sooner or later be alone with them on the platform (exaggeration intended).

This is a call to arms. The EIP is based on the assumption that people care about this community, and that we all want rewards going to those who do. Self- or circle voters do nothing but extract value, and it's the job of all engaged stakeholders to stop them. With power comes responsibility - smaller SP may mean less of it, but it's still important to use it!

Let's get together and clean this place up. As it was said before - don't be afraid, they can't downvote everyone!

If you need inspiration, someone created the following infographic after analyzing one of the, or maybe even the biggest circle jerks to date. Our delegators currently focus mostly on the circle using the #steemschools tag, which is connected to this one too (basically consisting of @dobartim shown below and his brother @flysky). [Steemworld](https://steemworld.org) is a great resource to check the behaviour of individual accounts. If you find someone else constantly rewarding himself or his circle and only marginally spreading the value, add them to the comments or post them with the #antiabuse tag.
For those who are not so active, there's also several ([1](https://steemit.com/rewarding/@holger80/steemrewarding-com-downvote-trail-has-been-implemented), [2](https://steempeak.com/downvotes/@howo/introducing-downvote-control-tool-an-open-source-downvote-tool), [3](https://steemit.com/@steemauto)) automation tools to trail downvotes of other users (for example @curangel ;) ).
// UPDATE: see the [latest post](https://steemit.com/curation/@pharesim/using-steemauto-to-support-the-community)  on @pharesim's blog for a step-by-step tutorial for the official @curangel trail on steemauto!

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@theaustrianguy ·
$2.25
I have to admit that I also withdrew from flagging abusive whales due to fear of revenge downvotes until now.

However, I have had this discussion at few times the last days and this post was the last bit of motivation it needed.

Starting in approximately 30 seconds, I will join the flagging against above accounts, even though it probably might mean that i won’t be making much post rewards in the future. Fortunately, I am not dependent on them anyways!

Happy flagging :)
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@isnochys ·
I usually wait for my tiny downvote until some big whales put their weight in:)
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@joshman ·
On the flipside, the collective upvote mana of the community is more than enough to rally above retaliatory downvotes when they come.  That support has been getting better and better.
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@condeas ·
$0.02
I have been on the @steemflagrewards trail for some time and can not say that since then I have been getting a lot of high flags. And if it happens then at some point, I will not care and I will not change my attitude.
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@isnochys ·
Do they get any downvotes?
No one wants to cast the first stone there:)
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@theaustrianguy ·
They just did :)
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@justineh · (edited)
Many have been downvoting these groups for months, as well as countering the accounts mentioned that have been getting heat from haejin. So this is definitely something many have been trying to combat for a bit. 

In order to beat the biggest abusers the community has to negate what they do.. once powerless there will be nothing to entertain them.
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@qwerrie ·
@nikv, thank you for bringing my attention to this.
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@tarazkp ·
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It is about time this circle starts being pushed a little.
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@whack.science ·
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I started downvoting @dobartim and @flysky (alt @xboxguru and @hamletnow) for circle voting and for trying to extract the value from other accounts.

Ofc, they started to downvote me just because I started to downvote them. They are trying to scare me lololololo #wontwork

I wish more small accounts would be braver to counter the abuse on the blockchain.

We all want steem and its price to go up. Well, here's a secret nobody told you ever:

Act like it!

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@joe.public ·
I honestly do not believe that free flags are contributing anything of value to the platform or its users.

I think we will start to see the negative consequences quite soon
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@farm-mom ·
Seems you can never get a away from people who "game the system". Greed, that's all it is. I agree, the minnows need to stick together.
Keeping my eye on those you listed. Thanks for the info.
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@adetorrent ·
$0.07
**First of all, thanks for the love and counter upvotes from everyone that came over from this article.**

Secondly, yeah, Haejin/Ranchorelaxo has decided to be a bit of a toddler with his very large Steem Power.  He could be spending the same amount of effort (or even less) to actually improve the platform for himself and everyone.  Obviously he *can* do whatever he wants with his SP, it's *his*, but I believe we all have something to lose if the Steem fails.
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Like you mentioned, I'm not too bothered by the downvotes - I expected them.  Luckily I still do quite well with curation rewards, which haejin can't really do much about at the moment, unless he tries to flag everyone to zero, which is technically impossible.  The hope is that one day he will just get bored and go away.  Or better still, grow up and be the adult he pretends to be on his website haejin.com.  He's supposed to be some kind of financial coach. Who will take advise from someone like this?

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I love Steem and I'm here for the super long run!  Steem on!
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@enforcer48 ·
SFR has you covered from time to time. 
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@michaeljn ·
Why are you down voting my posts? Please tell me so I understand. I don't see any reason why you would do this?

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@curangel ·
$0.07
The downvoted post is a 100% copy and paste of another post of yours from a bit more than a year ago.
https://steemit.com/food/@michaeljn/bokkeveld-rooibos-tea-a-uniquely-south-african-tea
https://steemit.com/food/@michaeljn/bokkeveld-rooibos-tea-healthy-option
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@michaeljn ·
I know that. There is no rule against reposting your own post. This a a refresh as our  business needed some more exposure so I reposted my own original post. As far as I know the rules state that you can repost?

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@michaeljn ·
@curangel it is fine. No problem for downvote  I understand it is your prerogative and accept your opinion. I did add a preamble update to the post so it is not exactly the same. All good. I do intend posting some more about Bokkeveld Tea soon and will make sure it is totally different to anything previously posted. 

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@ljungbuske ·
#abuse @steemflagrewards
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@steevc ·
$0.12
It is sad that some of the big accounts choose to just help themselves when they could do so much good for the Steem platform in general. If smaller accounts are not getting rewards for good content then they will leave and that harms the Steem price so we all lose. With the change in rewards there is more benefit from good curation. 

The risk of retaliation will put many off downvoting, but there are plenty of smaller accounts that misuse (better term than abuse?) the platform. I tend to go after those and leave the bigger ones to the whales and orcas. I have been downvoted by Mr H before, but the community helped me out.

Downvoting is not violence or stealing. It is a form of curation as valid as upvoting to balance out the rewards which are supposed to be given by the community, not bots. Big self-votes are also selfish.

It is good to see initiatives like @curangel making things better.
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@nickyhavey ·
$0.09
Well I stumbled across this post after just coming from a post from the user you mentioned (@slowwalker).

For me, I didn't know any of the above and I'm not going to get involved with that part of the discussion as I'm most likely throwing my own account under the bus if I did (probably already have due to using the reward distribution tools available to me).

However, I take each post I open on trending as a "case by case" basis without factoring in any history or their affiliation with others and read through each of them using my own internal standards (based on 18 months of creating and curating) of what I think is over (or under) rewarded and use the rewards distribution tool how I believe it should be used.

Now, I've been in a big debate with a user called @xpilar this weekend and other users who have commented on that post about leaving comments on posts that I have downvoted. I used to comment but didn't for the last 4 downvotes I gave for one reason or another so I went back and commented my reasoning and will continue to do so in future but also trying to add constructive feedback on how I'd like to see betterment in that person's post.

I did that for slowwalker this morning because he posts travel posts, something that are close to my heart, and I want travel posts to feature more on trending but I'd like to see more from him and offered my feedback to include a map, directions on getting there, more research about aspects of the post so we can really immerse ourselves as he's frequenting the trending feed and I want to encourage more travelers to the platform as we'd ALL grow.

Long and short of it, don't just downvote and run away, offer constructive advice as to why you downvote and perhaps educate on what the rewards pool is or even have an adult discussion around it because this is definitely not like your conventional social media where the reaction buttons have no financial consequence.

Obviously, plagiarism, spam and other things like that are different matters but I'm talking about genuinely trying to help using the downvote tools but it does feel like maybe I'm an exception to the rule around using the downvotes in this way.

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@pharesim · (edited)
$0.03
When you have a look at the infographic at the bottom, or directly at his voting pattern on [steemworld](https://steemworld.org) or [steemreports](http://steemreports.com), you will see the issue, and why "constructive criticism" won't help.
Most of his (daily!) high rewards come from all the same people, who he votes in return. This kind of behaviour is commonly called "circle jerking", or in the whitepaper "collusive groups". 
They usually justify how they act with "everything they've done for steem", and that it's their stake so they are entitled to a certain amount of returns over the interest on SP and the curation rewards which are designed to be for them. It completely destroys the Proof of Brain idea this platform is built on, and if everyone behaved the same there would be even less going to small and new content creators. While downvotes probably won't make them stop and change towards a more community oriented approach (it did for some, but a lot are very resilient), at least it returns parts of their self-assigned rewards back to the pool from where they will be distributed to others.
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@enforcer48 ·
$0.06
> "everything they've done for steem"

What exactly have they done for Steem anyways? I can't name one thing positive just from looking at the names.

If it's "propping" up prices, well, that's almost nothing. I'd rather them sell off and let other people take the reign of cheap SP to really make this place into something.

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@nickyhavey ·
Ah an upvote ring full of whales...? Well I'm fucked for getting involved then 🀣🀣🀣

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@jacobtothe ·
The steemreports link doesn't work for me. Is the URL wrong?
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@thoughts-in-time ·
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The blockchain rewards large stakeholders with the ability to draw extra rewards from the pool because when they bought in it either boosted or secured Steem's overall market value, not only that, by HODLing Steem (or keeping it powered-up) it creates a sort of artificial scarcity and thus prevents steem from easily flowing to the market which keeps prices stable and prevents market manipulation.

Investing in Steem vs. letting the money sit in a bank and collecting and APY is a risk as the market is very volatile. You're not going to get an equivalent APY on Steem. Based on Steem's rate-limited voting, it allows for stakeholders to draw only so much before the rate-limited abuse mechanism prevents overdrawing from the pool.

But, if you're going to disregard the merit of a stakeholder's stake by attacking the way they choose to draw rewards from the pool, your attacking the very foundation of why they may have invested in the first place. This action of downvoting has great potential to cause them to reconsider not only the HODL but also their investment. 

You might think what they're doing is greedy, but the blockchain sets the stage for this behavior by giving larger stakeholders bigger votes. Truth is, even the "greedy folks" provided a service when they bought into Steem, and they continue to provide a service by staying powered-up.

Downvote these folks into oblivion, and they may oblige by selling to the market. Other investors looking from the outside in will take notice, and then you'll run into a real problem; Whose left willing to buy, and why? Show me an investor who wants to pay to be a crab in a bucket, and I'll show you 1000 more who want to be the crab who gets out of the bucket. Steem is already very niche as is, and we're lucky we have the investors that we do. Make it less accommodating to stakeholders, and fewer will invest.

P.S. Proof of brain cannot exist in a realm with unequal stake. What you have in reality is proof of wallet.

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@kiwisteem ·
Hi @nickyhaveyYea I kind of agree with you. Just dropping by to give someone a flag seems very counter productive if what we really want is a thriving platform!
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@nickyhavey ·
Yes that's what I was trying to say but it took me a million more words 🀣

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@pharesim ·
Building connections with existing users doesn't make the platform thrive. For me the key is to look out for new or unrecognized talents.
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@ksteem ·
Hmm, seems  like a good idea. But how do we deal with the few users I've seen that seem to have a low value account used only for down voting others? They don't have any other posts or valid participation, just a lot of downvoting of others, including what I would normally consider to be good quality posts. Is there any one monitoring for this or kicking those abusers out of the system? Even as an experienced user, I find this disturbing. I can imagine many new minnows being very discouraged by these people.
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@pharesim · (edited)
Due to the low value of those there's no need to do anything. It would be nice if @steemit removed their delegations at least, but they don't do any significant damage. New users will have to learn that downvotes are part of the system, and they don't matter when it's only single ones with no SP behind them.
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@steemitboard ·
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@cicisaja ·
$0.07
I was wondering.. is buying steembasicincome shares..one day can be considered as buying votes to avoid self-vote?

Same old downvoters still doing that on my post, and I just ignored them because it's their habit and Im on their list πŸ˜‚ but I don't think I will downvote those circle of jerks too... I wish the orcas or whales would do that for me
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@pharesim ·
It requires a combined effort of all the community members. You are a shareholder too, don't give all the responsibility to others. That's exactly what this post was about.
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@cicisaja ·
The retaliate attitude really scarry for minnows like me, but I don't mind to join any efforts to downvote posts for the reasons that shows up anytime I will raisr my flag, thank you for your encouraging words.
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@justtryme90 ·
$1.87
I have added myself to your SteemAuto downvote trail. I assume this will result in retaliation against me and will lead to the elimination of my small post rewards. Hopefully you don't get me in too much trouble.

Anyway, there's another 100K SP added to your downvote strength.
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@jacobtothe ·
<div class=pull-right>

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# This post has the blessing of the #steempope.

On an unrelated note, that crab tank photo looks like an idea I need to steal for Warhammer 40K.
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@steempope ·
Blessings to you.
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@jacobtothe · (edited)
One of these days, we need to negotiate you selling that copycat account to me.
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@shadowmask ·
When one of the largest stake holders, @steem begins to care about the negative effects of individual using the 15 delegated steem to do nothing but down vote then perhaps people in the smaller ranks will take notice and join the effort to try and negate some of the bad behavior on the Steem block Chain. Right now why should any small account that can be sent to a zero reputation participate in trying to clean the Steem Block Chain when the largest delegate refuses to take action against any of these what larger accounts call ankle biters accounts? 

The EIP was a valuable piece of work, unfortunately @steem account does not (apparently) believe in  the process, if so they would remove the delegations from all the accounts that have a history of doing nothing on the steem block chain other than their initial post and then 10 days later starting to do random down votes primarily to smaller accounts. That is why I will not be doing any down voting. When the situation changes, then maybe my attitude will change with the situation.
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@pharesim · (edited)
Those 15 STEEM accounts are the worst excuse I've seen so far to not go after the big bad actors. They practically don't hurt anyone, except maybe a small sting to the ego. Their downvote has a value of ~0.0001$, that's not noticeable even if you get multiple downvotes from accounts like that.

I agree that steemit should undelegate them, but using that as a reason to let large scale abuse happen doesn't have any logic.
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@shadowmask ·
I understand the illogical side of it, but the reality side is they do have an impact on the receiver, you can see this by looking at the replies tab of any of those 15 Delegated SP accounts, and see the anger, frustration, and in-comprehension of the **WHY**. 

If the EIP HF included a requirement for a comment, even an automated one attributed to the down voting account, then the logic would be, Okay I can down vote the idiot accounts, so I can now down vote the abusive accounts. 

With the delegations removed, and then people being able to down vote those accounts should they continue, their RC's would end up so low that they would only be able to down vote 3 times, the two free down votes, and then the one down vote they have RC's for.

How many of those Bad Actors you mentioned have a lot of other accounts that can down vote in retaliation? I know for a fact that `@`berniesanders has at minimum 52 other accounts he can send after anyone he so chooses. I am sure he is not the only one with a lot of multiple accounts. I have Multiple accounts, well two any ways. 

I have been retaliated by an account not because of a down vote but because of a comment made, and those retaliatory down votes did have an impact on the rewards of some of my few post. I did not resort to down voting in kind to him, and until the down vote system is fixed, (Comment Required in my opinion), the bad actors will only receive down votes from me for blatant plagiarism, that is the **only** reason I have down voted any account and will continue to be the only reason. 

Bid-bots were allowed despite the white paper, laziness was allowed to run rampant, and two months is not going to resolve it. I have already seen several post that are talking about curtailing the down vote of bid botted post, so logic would deem that to begin down the chosen path of the current flag activity is committing steemicide.
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@erh.germany · (edited)
@pharesim: "Here are no rules" as you stated in an above comment. 

> There are no official "rules" at all.

So if there are no rules, there is no need to use the term "no *excuse* to not go after bad actors". 

Nobody here needs either an excuse or argument for this or that behavior. It's just tastes and whims and everyone can act as they wish. That's what you are basically saying - So I see your fight as a random preference. Not being supported by facts. Your rule is that your rule counts. Your targeted bad guys see that in the same crooked logic.
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@celestal ·
$0.02
Those retaliatory downvotes are very childish and I'm now getting my own share of them from dobartim and cryptopassion. Have been through a lot worse though with haejin, so this has little effect on me. 
This type of behavior is unfortunate, but it reveals a lot about the type of characters that engage in such actions, and it's only going to be harmful for themselves in the long run. They are stuck in #oldsteem. Evolve or die.
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@ammonite ·
I really wish I could use my downvote power for the greater good but having to curate downvotes as well as upvotes manually can be very time consuming. I will happily hand the authority of casting my downvotes to those who are more knowledgeable about at this than I  but will need to do some research first. I know the abusers wont give a crap about my tiny downvote but I agree with you fully. Death by a thousands cuts has the same effect as one swoop of a sword. 
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@kiwisteem ·
How did you determined that the @haejin account is the biggest abuser?
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@pharesim ·
I don't know anyone else who used his upvotes only for himself and extracted 200$+ daily with spam posts over years. I added the probably because I of course don't see everything, but personally I don't know anyone worse.
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@kiwisteem ·
I probably have a major blind spot. If you see what I can not just yet, your perspective is needed :   )  

I just don't see how that is bad for the platform. I don't like seeing bot armies self voting, such as the @nextgencrypto / @berniesanders 1000's of accounts self voting much larger amounts.  

To me it seems that free flags will have a far more negative impact on adoption, retention and investment.
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@enforcer48 ·
You aren’t wrong. He was #1 β€œauthor” for the longest time by a wide margin. 

Blindy there can only name Bernie and Marky.
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@restmode ·
Well sheesh! how do I find out why I'm targeted by downvote bots and how do I get off of their radar? My last two posts before today were downvoted heavily by bots for no apparent reason to me. I invest in the platform and I invest in my work but now I don't want to invest any further money into the platform if downvote bots are just going to swarm my posts and downvote my hard work. WTF!?.
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@pharesim ·
https://steemit.com/downvotes/@acidyo/why-you-may-be-getting-downvoted
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@ljungbuske ·
#abuse @steemflagrewards
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@pharesim ·
lol? xD
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@ljungbuske ·
I just try to be as stupid as @enforcer48

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@enforcer48 ·
He thinks I'm @themarkymark and other accounts. I'm just tired of seeing his foolery.
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@mobbs ·
As nice as it all sounds, this banding together system, I feel it doesn't work out mathematically effective at all. 

If 500 users can counter the effects of one big user, then we need 5,000 users to counter merely 10. 

50,000 users all consistently banding together and dedicating themselves to a cause against merely 100 bad apples. 

A real-world example would be like expecting a country's people to overturn its evil government, but it turns out there's actually a line of 50 evil governments in cahoots with each other, each as powerful as the last. There's only so much the population can, and is willing to, do. 

If 'The EIP is based on the assumption that people care about this community ', then I fear it was a terrible assumption to assume, and makes an **ass** out of **u** and **me**.

As for alternatives...  I dunno
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@xboxguru ·
I agree with you on this one
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@enforcer48 ·
> If 'The EIP is based on the assumption that people care about this community '

It's like the lemmings misconception. lol
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@queenmountain ·
WTH has happened to steemit?! This shit is becoming Lord of the Flies! Being on here for years off and on and this entire platform has become a warzone. So much for mass adoption, this place has become a massive circlejerk of egos and white knights and abusers. *face palm!
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@pharesim ·
Just be glad you haven't been here for the months before the last HF gave us the tools to clean up a bit.
The process is ugly, the results look promising so far.
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@pharesim ·
Hard to find out which witness that is, I looked through a few accounts but couldn't find a very familiar name :D
This pie chart and the ones of the voted accounts definitely point to a circle that could use some "love". Interestingly slowwalker is in there too.

Bots with daily stats aren't per se useless (see the curangel one :P), but sure, some of them would be valid targets for sure.

In the end it's up to the curangel delegators to decide what to downvote. I keep out myself of that decision, because the weight is spread by stake and my delegation is so big that it wouldn't leave much for the power for the rest of the suggestions.
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@enforcer48 ·
It's on the CN side. Mostly the Adm users.
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@pharesim ·
![Screenshot_20191009-144228832_1.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmeWbUefKAmj7fhYuU5gVpB3EgrpnNb3DgfmBqbf2MfCrx/Screenshot_20191009-144228832_1.jpg)

Including your original comment for transparency. 
I understand retaliation votes hurt, but that they have to be expected was mentioned in the post. There are many people here helping to recover from retaliation who you could have contacted, or we would have done that for you if you gave us a notice. 
Lieing about your intention to follow the trail,and at the same time throwing everyone else under the bus by apologizing to and upvoting the circle jerker, giving him confirmation that his scare tactics work, is just sad.
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@jrvacation ·
Unfortunately his tactic does work. Too much for me to take.
When it happened, I tried to get in touch with curangel guys but can't find any Discord or ways to communicate. The team should perhaps publish details on what protection can be provided.
But for now, this game is too dangerous to play. So I am out. Sorry for causing convenience to you.
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