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What is the best way to move forward when faced with dissension within a community?
<center><h3>What is the best way to move forward 
when faced with dissension within a community?</h3>**.
original essay by @d-pend, 
response to @tribesteemup's
bi-weekly question
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<sub>**featuring the photography of
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[The-Lonely-Corner](https://www.deviantart.com/the-lonely-corner/gallery/)** *(thumbnail image)*
&
**[Taykut](https://www.deviantart.com/taykut/gallery/)** *(all other photographs)*</sub></center>
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<center><sub>[Photo — "Regrets" by The-Lonely-Corner](https://www.deviantart.com/the-lonely-corner/art/Regrets-173160915)</sub></center>
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<center><h2>Introduction</h2></center>
<div class="text-justify">Greetings all! I know I'm a bit behind the curve on addressing this topic, which was a bi-weekly question posed by the community @tribesteemup several days back. However, discovering @flauwy's answer to that question coincided with something of a reawakening within my spirit of something subtle yet powerful. Synchronicity, when experienced with a keen awareness, is something quite tangible. So, to pay homage to that experience as well to the paradigm-shifting community I only just discovered, I would like to weigh in on this topic.</div>

<center>*If you would like to hear me read this essay out loud while you read, 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[click here for a link to recording of it on Soundcloud.](https://soundcloud.com/user-872607300/what-is-the-best-way-to-move-forward-when-faced-with-dissension-within-a-community)*</center>

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<center><sub>[Photo — "Top of the Rocks" {by Taykut}](https://www.deviantart.com/taykut/art/Top-of-the-Rocks-181047071)</sub></center>
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<center><h2>Dissension seen through the lens 
of a common connotation</h2></center>

<div class="text-justify">Although dissension, etymologically, basically just means disagreement, it carries the heavy connotation of a difference of opinion from a majority viewpoint. That is, to differ from the dominant belief structure or conclusions of an authority figure or group. To explore the 'problem' of dissension from this angle leads to some very interesting philosophical and spiritual quandaries, so this definition will serve as the basis of our exploration.</div>

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<center><sub>[Photo — "Daydream" {this and all below photos by Taykut}](https://www.deviantart.com/taykut/art/D-a-y-d-r-e-a-m-151928962)</sub></center>
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<center><h2>Beliefs or tenets 
as inherently flawed signposts</h2></center>

<div class="text-justify">Beliefs are essentially just opinions with the added thrust of being projected upon the external world, including other individuals. However, some of what are referred to as beliefs begin to reach a much greater depth of meaning due to their aspiration towards the ineffable, unutterable Truth. In this way, they function as signposts that can help lead us towards (or away from) the underlying Facts of the universe, from which the human mind is fundamentally divorced due to the dualistic structure of its operations.<br><br>

The closer a belief comes to reality as it truly is, it simultaneously grows in its ability to enlighten us and, paradoxically, to lead us astray. The former occurs because the mind begins to find semantic loopholes that allow it to begin to transcend itself, and the latter because of the tendency of the mind to "idolize" the newly acquired, more expansive paradigm. <b>That is, subconsciously, the mind begins to equate the belief or tenet with truth, which has a blinding effect on the consciousness because no beliefs can be said to be completely true.</b> If they were, they would have to encompass the entire universe, something impossible for a semantic structure to achieve due to the inherent limitations of language.</div>

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<center><sub>[Photo — "Spring fever"](https://www.deviantart.com/taykut/art/spring-fever-152534515)</sub></center>
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<center><h2>Beliefs as an expression 
of sacred sovereignty</h2></center>

<div class="text-justify">The above limitations and inherent untruthfulness of any belief, however subtle, beautiful, or sublime, was necessary to expound in order to come to the realization that all human beings carry complementary fragments of the ultimate Truth. We are sovereign, quantum physics anomalies interpenetrated with every other iota of substance within the universe. Meaning, in simple terms, we <em>must</em> disagree on some levels, however minute, because we require the entire rainbow of the variation of belief-essences in order for the universe to exist at all as a stable construct. So we see that not only is disagreement when it comes to fundamental tenets inevitable, it is an expression of the cosmic truth that we are all sovereign beings, "the captains of our fate" and "masters of our soul."</div>

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<center><sub>[Photo — "Opposition"](https://www.deviantart.com/taykut/art/opposition-151704345)</sub></center>
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<center><h2>Community as a synthesis 
and catalyst for growth</h2></center>

<div class="text-justify">Having determined that subtle dissension (however minor) is inevitable between conscious co-creators each with their own unique sense of Truth, we now look at the dynamics of several of these beings agreeing to try to work together for the furtherance of the growth of all parties involved, as well as, in many cases, the world at large, depending on the ambitions of the group. A well-functioning community will be an effective catalyst for the growth of its members. They each agree to put aside minor differences in order to find the largest amount of common ground without sacrificing principles vital to their core beliefs.</div>

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<center><sub>[Photo — "Among the Rocks"](https://www.deviantart.com/taykut/art/among-the-rocks-116324260)</sub></center>
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<center><h2>Dissension and psychic vampirism</h2></center>

<div class="text-justify">Psychic vampirism is a rampant, learned energetic phenomenon in our society (typically first  taught by one's parents, subconsciously) in which one literally steals some life energy from another by purposely upsetting them to throw them off balance. In any community, some members will inevitably begin to deviate so far from the "synthetic authority" of the group's combined common ground that they start to siphon off some energy of other members to the detriment of those members' well-being, and by extension, the group's. This is primarily what causes a dissenting member to be able to remain in the community comfortably, because they can extract some etheric "juice" from the conflict. Otherwise, they would leave of their own accord because the discomfort of the variance with the collective's combined belief structure would become too great to bear.</div>

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<center><sub>[Photo — "Standing Alone"](https://www.deviantart.com/taykut/art/standing-alone-104324307)</sub></center>
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<center><h2>Direct strategy 
for the dissolution of dissension</h2></center>

<div class="text-justify">Having explained why the uncomfortable situation of a small number of discordant voices is able to continue (somewhat) comfortably for the dissenting parties at the expense of the overall group, we now look at strategies for rectifying the situation. In fact, the solution is often quite simple, but perhaps difficult for beings raised to be conflict-averse. In a somewhat democratic group, a consensus should be reached that a certain party is reducing the group's capacity to function to its highest potential. The offending member should be notified of the consensus, and allowed to offer a response. <b>This notification, however, should be done with an intention of pure, unconditional love, without any blaming or projection.</b></div>

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<center><sub>[Photo — "A Place to Dream"](https://www.deviantart.com/taykut/art/A-place-to-dream-104752002)</sub></center>
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<center><h2>Possible outcomes</h2></center>

<div class="text-justify">Once the dissenting party has been made aware of the way the group feels, there are an infinite number of ways they can choose to respond. These run the gamut of human emotions from total shame and dejection to radiant love and gratitude. The response of the offending party will determine their future in the group (or lack thereof.) This is what is meant by the saying that "we are all self-judged." No one is to blame for the situation, not the group and not the dissenting member. As a metaphor, an atom is not "to blame" because it disconnects from a molecule it was previously bonded with. It is the impersonal consequence of spiritual biochemistry. Whatever shift occurs will be for the best of the group, the dissenting individual, and the universe at large.</div>

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<center><sub>[Photo — "Unrequited Love"](https://www.deviantart.com/taykut/art/unrequited-love-158084048)</sub></center>
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<center><h2>Gratitude and quandaries</h2></center>

<div class="text-justify">Thank you very much for joining me in this musing on beliefs, communities, and dissension. Your attention is a necessary component of this essay, because it would not be written if not for its fate to be read. Since time is not linear as we perceive it to be, it can be said that each person that interfaces with this writing has contributed to its creation. Now, it is time to hear your voices. <br><br>
<b>What is your experience with dissent within communities? How does it feel when it is occurring? What are some of the results of dissent you have seen? Was the community in question able to move through and dissolve the dissent, or did the dissent dissolve the community?</b> Again, I offer you much gratitude for taking the time to read this essay, and I look forward to hearing your feedback. Have a wonderful day.</div>

<center><h3>Wholeness, 
@d-pend
9/12/18</h3></center>
<center><sub>*If you missed the link to the audio version of this essay and want to listen to it, 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[click here for a link to recording of it on Soundcloud.](https://soundcloud.com/user-872607300/what-is-the-best-way-to-move-forward-when-faced-with-dissension-within-a-community)*</sub></center>
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<center><sub>[Below photo — "Where You Left Me"](https://www.deviantart.com/taykut/art/where-u-left-me-135874423)</sub></center>
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Dear @dpend sir!
First of all we will try to figure out why the feeling of dissatisfaction in the society is flourishing? Why is there a difference of opinion towards each other? The individual variations of everyone in the society are different. It may be that the ideology of a particular person does not match the other person or society, which is causing the dissolution or discontent in the society. It can also happen that the other person in the society is dissatisfied from the person who is leading the society. An open meeting should be organized to identify the problems in which all the dignitaries of the society are involved and get apprised of all their problems and problems. It is better that if you solve problems through interaction, it will be better if you do not hurt anyone's feelings in this way, you can avoid this problem yourself. And can end the dissatisfaction of the society.
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@certain,

>It may be that the **ideology** of a particular person does not match the other person or society, which is causing the dissolution or discontent in the society.

It is that word, "ideology," that is so dangerous. Ideology, of all kinds, is a **mode of non-thinking** that shuts down **"critical thinking."** 

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmeef9oeVydBteAozXaJhPE3BMqiPivpCcj9iAQ7g2D5L5/image.png)

Society is like a huge Venn Diagram. We're all individuals with idiosyncrasies. But there is, nevertheless, a central overlap of our circles. A center domain comprised of "human universals." For societies to function, it is imperative that everyone respect this area of overlap, the Commons. 

When conflicts about the Commons do occur, it is important **_how_** we go about finding a resolution.

The primary Enlightenment ideal was that we should subject **ALL** ideas to the crucible of peer review. That ALL ideas should be tempered by logic, reason and rationale and that Truth Assertions ought to be judged by the evidence of our eyes, not the meanderings of our minds. And, only following such a process of intense scrutiny, would such ideas become part of the Commons ... and therefore, the bedrock of laws and cultural mores that shaped, and restrained, our personal liberties for the sake of communal harmony.   

The primary conflict between Plato and Aristotle was in their approach to problem solving. Plato was cerebral and believed all problems could be solved by *thinking.* Aristotle said, no ... thinking was great, but you had to prove your ideas with the "evidence of your eyes" *(observation and measurement).* And, if there was a conflict between the two, **_it was the idea that got modified, not the evidence that disproved it._** The birth of empiricism.

In the 20th Century, we saw a return of Dogma. Utopian political/economic/cultural movements *(Marxism and Fascism)* became all the rage ... and a lot of people died as a result ... as people always do when ideas become religions. Currently, the dogma-of-the-day is that "Truth is Self-Determined" *(one of the central ideas under-pinning Post-Modernism).* 

And so, if you self-identify as being a centaur ... then a centaur you are. That's Your Truth and everyone had better respect it.

The problem, though, is that you're not actually a centaur, as evidenced by your lack of hooves *(@d-pend is the exception that proves the rule).* You're a person with a delusion ... and my going along with your assertion that you're half-horse, means that I, too, become a person with a delusion. Delusions are not good things and they don't become better in their plurality. 

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmY6tbY6NKF1ubuaJdGkH3MomaTeQvEQmFZFk4qaFdzB39/image.png)

Western Society's dismissal of the need to "reality test" our assertions is causing, and will continue to cause, great discord. The reason is that when you reject logic and the necessity for evidence-of-the-assertion as the means by which we find common ground, then the overlap in our communal Venn Diagram disappears. 

We just become millions of individuals, all sharing a common space, but with no sense of community or commonality. 

Try herding a hundred cats and you'll understand the problem.

The problem is not dissenters and their counter-status-quo ideas. The problem is a lack of venue to, with a degree of civility that does not shut down the peer review process, collectively reality-test their ideas to see if they're true.

*Quill*
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First of all, it was a great idea to accompany the essay with the audio version. For my EFL students, this is a great plus!

The topic is more than appropriate and urgent and is rarely dealt with enough objectivity and serenity as it requires. Dissent is a wild animal everyone wants out of their farm, but nobody knows how to do it without breaking some fences.

>A well-functioning community will be an effective catalyst for the growth of its members. They each agree to put aside minor differences in order to find the largest amount of common ground without sacrificing principles vital to their core beliefs.

This is the key concept for world peace, something that has been trivialized in beauty pageants, but which should be an obligatory questions to every presidential candidate. But without going that far. Every community, especially Steemit, should seriously consider this principle. There are so many expectations about what can be achieved here and it has been sold as an easy path to community and economic profit, but there are so many hurdles on the way, some of them created by the same people who are advertising the product and who, theoretically should benefit from a healthy ever-growing community.

I had not encounter myself with the concept of psychic vampirism. I liked that.

>they start to siphon off some energy of other members to the detriment of those members' well-being, and by extension, the group's.

This can certainly ruin families and all kinds of social groups. In my culture people tend to tease a lot, especially when there is alcohol involved, and it always ends bad. But at a higher level, when there are economic interests involved the teasing can have dramatic effect for the wellbeing of the community.

You certainly propose the only healthy way to deal with this: honesty and love.

>This notification, however, should be done with an intention of pure, unconditional love, without any blaming or projection.

However, it has been my experience, responses (of the dissenters) rarely fall into the category of thankfulness and this leads me to directly answer some of the questions you posed:

>What is your experience with dissent within communities? How does it feel when it is occurring?

There is usually a lot of tension, especially when language (and body language for that matter) is not used wisely. People usually insist on meaning something, while their bodies send a different, usually more aggressive message. In my culture, conflict resolution is not our forte.

>What are some of the results of dissent you have seen? Was the community in question able to move through and dissolve the dissent, or did the dissent dissolve the community?

Usually dissent dissolves our communities. You see it in our politics. A coalition was formed to get rid of Chavez, then of Maduro. 18 years later they are still there doing evil and our political parties, many of which emerged out of those dissents, are facing extinction, their leaders going at each other's throats.

**I think that language is key (limited as it is), but especially love, honesty, as you rightly pointed out**. No one should react negatively to an attention call made with love with the genuine intention of improving our wellbeing and that of people around us. We learned that from our parents (even when they were not so loving). **Yet, stubbornness and pride are as good as evil.**

You, guys, too have a great day.
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>First of all, it was a great idea to accompany the essay with the audio version. For my EFL students, this is a great plus!

Great, I wasn't sure if it would be of any benefit! It took a while to make so that makes me feel like it was time well spent.

>The topic is more than appropriate and urgent and is rarely dealt with enough objectivity and serenity as it requires. Dissent is a wild animal everyone wants out of their farm, but nobody knows how to do it without breaking some fences.

Very well said.

>This is the key concept for world peace, something that has been trivialized in beauty pageants, but which should be an obligatory questions to every presidential candidate.

It's hard dealing with powerful, universal concepts like compassion, understanding, unconditional love, world peace, etc. because they are often abused as empty platitudes. It causes the populace to lose faith in the truths those symbols stand for and become cynical seeing the darker side of human nature's many manifestations in the world.

>This can certainly ruin families and all kinds of social groups. In my culture people tend to tease a lot, especially when there is alcohol involved, and it always ends bad.

This is a classic example of psychic vampirism which I refer to. Even flattering people overmuch can be a form of manipulation in which we try to take energy from another. Teasing definitely falls in this area. The term is actually quite accurate, but hard to use because there are strong connotations with the word "psychic." Few know of its other meaning, which simply means "related to the psyche." I suppose I could say mental vampirism, but really it is encompassed perfectly by the entire psyche, which is more than just thoughts.

>However, it has been my experience, responses (of the dissenters) rarely fall into the category of thankfulness.

Indeed, it is almost a miraculous occurrence for how rare it is! It requires a very mature, balanced, and self-composed individual to do so.

>There is usually a lot of tension, especially when language (and body language for that matter) is not used wisely. People usually insist on meaning something, while their bodies send a different, usually more aggressive message. In my culture, conflict resolution is not our forte.

Oh, what a wide topic: lack of correspondence between thoughts, feelings, beliefs, and outward expression. This plagues the vast majority of people, who do not know themselves well, at all. Incredibly, the less self-aware they are, the more they tend to be under the delusion that they do, which functions as a defense mechanism. Self-honesty is very difficult because it involves examining one's conscious and subconscious motivations at great depth. Another paradoxical effect of this lack of awareness is these individuals believe they know everything about the other person, too! This false confidence allows them to argue and insult viciously, leading to a lot of harm. 

>Usually dissent dissolves our communities. You see it in our politics. A coalition was formed to get rid of Chavez, then of Maduro. 18 years later they are still there doing evil and our political parties, many of which emerged out of those dissents, are facing extinction, their leaders going at each other's throats.

Nasty, corrupt politics is one of the foulest phenomenons which darkens the spirits of humanity. Nowhere on planet earth is completely safe from its defilement. I call it one of the greatest tests of patience/compassion for those desiring the betterment of humanity.

>I think that language is key (limited as it is), but especially love, honesty, as you rightly pointed out. No one should react negatively to an attention call made with love with the genuine intention of improving our wellbeing and that of people around us. We learned that from our parents (even when they were not so loving). Yet, stubbornness and pride are as good as evil.

Thank you for your thought-provoking and detailed response @hlezama. I really appreciate it and apologize for taking so long to get around to replying :-)
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It is always worth the wait. This kind of interchange is very illuminating and reassuring. Thanks for taking the time to reciprocate.
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Thank you for the support @death-notes. Sorry for responding so late, but I hope you have a great day!
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Thanks Sir for you response. Lately but valuable of your words. You're genius and I'm lucky that you responses to me 😊😊 

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This is such a beautiful response to the question, so much depth to your writing and one thing you discussed which I think no other touched on was psychic vampirism, which I myself did not think of, but such an important point to bring up as to why some sit so comfortably within dissension, almost unfazed by it. I have answered a lot in my response, but I love your solutions/ outcomes, this 
>This notification, however, should be done with an intention of pure, unconditional love, without any blaming or projection.

 and so much this, this is so important to remember, as everything that happens brings with it such a huge opportunity for learning.
>No one is to blame for the situation, not the group and not the dissenting member. As a metaphor, an atom is not "to blame" because it disconnects from a molecule it was previously bonded with. It is the impersonal consequence of spiritual biochemistry. Whatever shift occurs will be for the best of the group, the dissenting individual, and the universe at large.

Thank you for this xxxx
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Hey @trucklife-family, I'm so happy you got something out of my approach to this topic. I felt enriched by the process as I haven't written nearly as much prose as poetry *(of course, I can't help but write a bit abstractly, even in an essay!)* Psychic vampirism is a very real phenomenon, though not particularly fun to discuss: so I've never mentioned it before, but I think it's integral to understanding the dynamics of disagreement.

The unconditional love aspect is extremely important, and also very challenging to actually embody in the heat of the moment. You are so welcome and thanks to you again for introducing me to @tribesteemup through your blog :-D Have a fantastic day.
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@sungbojus ·
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Wow! Quite an academic exercise. I must say this is intellectually and even spiritually stimulating.

Now to your questions. My experience with dissent within communities has been variegated. First, I observe that dissenting individuals who I choose to call "light bearers" are often vilified and castigated for their considered "aberrant" behaviours or beliefs. They are viewed as weird, unusual, and even devilish in some cases. Yet these are the people who dare to explore or investigate realms or spheres hitherto uncharted. I am not surprised at this common reaction within communities because it's a truism of human existence that what the mind of man cannot comprehend it fears or loathes.

This brings me to another point about communities - that the main fault of democracy is that the majority can be wrong because general opinion is not necessarily a proof of truth. I find out that the majority of people are actually ignorant.

When this interface is happening within communities there's usually rancour, division and downright hatred for the person(s) who have chosen to be different from the generality of others. The "light-bearer" either gets ostracised or shut down. In either situation, the community is the loser. On the other hand, this can only mean that the group karma forbids such community to enjoy the "light" at that time because the time just wasn't ripe yet.

In most cases, the community is able to survive the dissent but in a few cases, the community becomes divided to the point of being unable to stand on its feet. In such a situation, they disintegrate.

@d-pend: I must thank you for this insightful foray into group consciousness and behaviour. And listening alongside the reading brought some immediacy of enjoyment into the whole exercise. Keep it coming, man!
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@sungbojus,

Very well written. Ideas beautifully articulated.

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@d-pend ·
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Hello @sungbojus, I'm finally getting caught up responding to these wonderful comments. Your musing is much appreciated and very well expounded. The fact that common views on things are most often incorrect is something that came as a huge shock to me during adolescence, making those years difficult to endure. In fact, it has not gotten so much easier, but I have been fortunate to connect with many like-minded individuals over the years who make the burden seem not-so-heavy.

I'm glad for your mentioning of group karma not being ready for what the iconoclastic light-bearer has to bring, because it honors free will and the proper timing of the universe. This becomes easier to find peace with as I get older and more patient. It's actually arrogant to attempt to force anyone to learn something before they are ready, not to mention inefficient!

There is definitely good reason that light-bearing individuals throughout human history have been ostracized, persecuted, and killed for exposing uncomfortable truths. Some of this was perhaps ignorance on the part of the truth-speaker, as well: lacking the discernment to know when to speak and when to remain silent. Finding a balance between expressing our principles clearly and having the wisdom to keep to ourselves is a meaningful practice as we mature through our present incarnation. May we all have the humility to ask the universe for guidance when it comes to these often-difficult decisions!

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Hi @d-pend, thank you for your philosophical post and the chance to think about the subject of living in community, being a part of society and its life. It reminded me my University time when I have philosophy classes, I was always impressed with the thread of thoughts of my professors and how they express their own point of view as well kindly answered our multiple questions. I think you are like them, you will be a great lecturer. 

Living in modern society, I believe everything is different and it is not like we imagine in well functioning democratic system. Western society is too spoiled, have everything in excess, we think we are the best, young generation do think about their own benefits, bullying is very common thing that we hear starting from primary school, getting worse in teenager age. As to politics, it is unbelievable what is going on currently in many countries that we call democratic. It seems the world goes mad. 

What you described it is an ideal community that we should strive to, you are right we are all different and it is human nature we all have egoism in our nature, but a lot depends on our principle with that we were grown up, in order to have a good functioning community we need to respect the thoughts and ideas of others and decided for the best of the community and people there. That is not easy but only them we will achieve our goal together. I do not know if such good functioning community exists, but every time i start to think I come to only decision that until now I have not it yet. Of course a small group of people with their ideal and goal may be but nothing an a bigger level. 

I hope my answer has a sense and I hope I more or less give you my opinion and it was appropriate to your call. Was nice to learn another side of  you @d-pend, cheers @Stef
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@stef1,

Well written and cogent observations. 

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Esta reflexión elevada por un lenguaje claro, una buena motivación y conceptos trabajados dentro de una mente brillante y adelantada, hacen ruido en mí, en cuanto al consentimiento de muchas de las ideas expresadas respecto a la disensión y su capacidad de destrucción cuando prevalecen sentimientos exacerbados y pasión desenfocada. 

Muchas veces, se piensa que el poder de disentir es un  poder que enaltece, pero no siempre es así. La disensión mueve energías que vibran con lo que se mueve en la mente y las emociones de las personas involucradas, mucho más en quien muestra frustración o descontento con lo que está vivenciando dentro de la interacción pautada en la comunidad que eligió para hacer vida, con ciertos preceptos establecidos previamente y que han ido cambiando o no fueron claramente explícitos al momento de aceptar pertenecer,  lo cual tiende a crear desequilibrio intrínseco y extrínseco.

Disentir no es malo, todo lo contrario, forma parte de nuestra potencia como seres en formación constante. Pero, cuando sobrepasa la honestidad para convertirse en soberbia, cambia de status y se vuelve dañina en cuanto se deja de lado el objeto de la disensión, para darle paso a un cúmulo de sentimientos bajos que encolerizan, roban energía o  generan menosprecio hacia los semejantes, distanciando las relaciones que engrandecen el alma y procuran discernimiento creativo.

La disensión debe partir del amor  para que sea entendida desde el amor y no se transforme en una bola de nieve que crece en la medida que baja la pendiente. Atajar a tiempo el descontento con soluciones basadas en el "amor puro e incondicional, sin culpas ni proyecciones", puede crear el entendimiento necesario para mantener la fe y volverlo a intentar.

>¿Cuál es su experiencia con la disidencia dentro de las comunidades?

Siento que la disidencia es necesaria para el emprendimiento y crecimiento de las comunidades. No obstante, debe ser sustentada en la comunicación y el bien común, sino genera deserción. 

>¿Cómo se siente cuando está ocurriendo?

Las comunidades, normalmente,  perciben la disensión como una afrenta y no como lo que es en realidad, una oportunidad de crecimiento y exploración de nuevos caminos. Por tanto, se siente tirantez en las relaciones y presión de los partidos que se crean.

>¿Cuáles son algunos de los resultados de la disidencia que ha visto?

Cuando el descontento es fuerte, pero existe un liderazgo firme, bien fundamentado y consistente, la consecuencia natural es la auto exclusión. No obstante, no es fácil mantener contentos a todos los miembros de una comunidad humana. 

>¿La comunidad en cuestión fue capaz de avanzar y disolver la disidencia o la disidencia disolvió a la comunidad?

Las comunidades basadas en el liderazgo de personas firmes y comprometidas con lo que pregonan, tienden a prevalecer a pesar de la disidencia y los obstáculos. Aunque, eso no significa que lo hagan "muy bien" ni que sea justa y equitativa. Sin embargo,  lo ideal sería eso, que las relaciones entre los miembros de una comunidad se basaran en el amor, el respeto, la solidaridad, la justicia y la equidad. A partir del amor todo es posible, falta que lo aprendamos y lo creamos.
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>La disensión mueve energías que vibran con lo que se mueve en la mente y las emociones de las personas involucradas, mucho más en quien muestra frustración o descontento con lo que está vivenciando dentro de la interacción pautada en la comunidad que eligió para hacer vida, con ciertos preceptos establecidos previamente y que han ido cambiando o no fueron claramente explícitos al momento de aceptar pertenecer, lo cual tiende a crear desequilibrio intrínseco y extrínseco.

Las diferencias fundamentales en las suposiciones subyacentes sobre la realidad pueden ser vistas como la causa de gran parte de los conflictos que presenciamos entre individuos en el mundo. Aunque los amigos y aquellos con los que resonamos a un nivel más personal pueden diferir de nosotros sólo ligeramente cuando se trata de estas variaciones filosóficas, la misma intimidad hace que los puntos de vista contrastantes se sientan más significativos de lo que son en realidad. Especialmente si no nos centramos en la comprensión y la compasión, las relaciones pueden decaer rápidamente, y por extensión, las comunidades que forman.

>Disentir no es malo, todo lo contrario, forma parte de nuestra potencia como seres en formación constante. Pero, cuando sobrepasa la honestidad para convertirse en soberbia, cambia de status y se vuelve dañina en cuanto se deja de lado el objeto de la disensión, para darle paso a un cúmulo de sentimientos bajos que encolerizan, roban energía o generan menosprecio hacia los semejantes, distanciando las relaciones que engrandecen el alma y procuran discernimiento creativo.

¡Qué rápido la honestidad puede transformarse en arrogancia! Especialmente cuando el área de desacuerdo está relacionada con convicciones fuertes que apreciamos, puede ser muy doloroso descubrir que aquellos que nos importan no están de acuerdo. La vigilancia es la clave aquí, que no descienda al proceso innecesariamente destructivo de las rencorosas peleas. El desacuerdo civil está bien y puede hacer que nos expandamos significativamente cuando se practica con respeto mutuo, pero desafortunadamente es bastante raro encontrar a personas lo suficientemente maduras para celebrar debates tan equilibrados en nuestro mundo de hoy.

>La disensión debe partir del amor para que sea entendida desde el amor y no se transforme en una bola de nieve que crece en la medida que baja la pendiente. Atajar a tiempo el descontento con soluciones basadas en el "amor puro e incondicional, sin culpas ni proyecciones", puede crear el entendimiento necesario para mantener la fe y volverlo a intentar.

Estoy completamente de acuerdo, y la imagen de una bola de nieve rodando cuesta abajo es una imagen astuta para cuando las intenciones se desvían de la compasión en desacuerdos para convertirse en algo más siniestro en la naturaleza.

>Siento que la disidencia es necesaria para el emprendimiento y crecimiento de las comunidades. No obstante, debe ser sustentada en la comunicación y el bien común, sino genera deserción.

Especialmente después del "período de luna de miel" de la infatuación inicial en cualquier amistad, para continuar fortaleciendo la relación, estoy de acuerdo en que un mayor crecimiento depende del descubrimiento y celebración de las diferencias, así como de lo que se tiene en común.

>Las comunidades, normalmente, perciben la disensión como una afrenta y no como lo que es en realidad, una oportunidad de crecimiento y exploración de nuevos caminos. Por tanto, se siente tirantez en las relaciones y presión de los partidos que se crean.

Exactamente. Esto tiene que ver en parte con la obsesión de muchas culturas por evitar cualquier cosa incómoda, aunque el universo mismo es un dínamo en el que fuerzas complementarias generan energía a través de la tensión entre polaridades equilibradas. Desde el nivel más alto, lo que parece ser antagónico es siempre simbiótico de una manera sutil.

>Cuando el descontento es fuerte, pero existe un liderazgo firme, bien fundamentado y consistente, la consecuencia natural es la auto exclusión. No obstante, no es fácil mantener contentos a todos los miembros de una comunidad humana.

Sí, creo que es imposible mantener a todos contentos todo el tiempo. ¿Por qué nuestras culturas adoran ciertas emociones excluyendo a otras? Todas las emociones, por altas o bajas que sean, son fragmentos del mismo amor incondicional y merecen ser sentidas para ser honradas y transmutadas.

>Las comunidades basadas en el liderazgo de personas firmes y comprometidas con lo que pregonan, tienden a prevalecer a pesar de la disidencia y los obstáculos. Aunque, eso no significa que lo hagan "muy bien" ni que sea justa y equitativa. Sin embargo, lo ideal sería eso, que las relaciones entre los miembros de una comunidad se basaran en el amor, el respeto, la solidaridad, la justicia y la equidad. A partir del amor todo es posible, falta que lo aprendamos y lo creamos.

Persigamos el ideal incluso cuando nos exija mucho. Porque sólo entonces podremos disfrutar de la hermandad que viene del compromiso con los principios más elevados que la vida nos pone a nuestra disposición. Muchas gracias por su enriquecedora respuesta, @zeleiracordero. ¡Me disculpo por el retraso en responder!
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@zeleiracordero ·
¡Muchas gracias por esa respuesta tan detallada, @d-pend! Me entusiasma mucho el interés que has puesto en generar este tipo de intercambios. Mi tendencia natural es reconcentrada y poco sociable, aunque no antipática. Tú me estás cambiando en algunos aspectos, desmontas mi armadura, mi máscara más usada. La empatía que siento hacia ti, me desmolda y me hace bien. ¡Gracias por tanto amor!
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¡Definitivamente es mutuo! Soy el mismo en muchos aspectos, prefiriendo ocultarme en el fondo. Estoy muy agradecida por su ayuda para proporcionar el ímpetu para que yo pueda salir más de mi caparazón y dedicar el tiempo necesario para este tipo de discusión. Es un trabajo duro, pero nos ayuda a crecer. <3
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Reading your essay illuminates my understanding of the situation my country is in. Behind the dissension of an entire community, there are government people who encourage them. punish some and serve as an example for others. In this way, a minority of people control an entire nation. They are beings who have worked for 20 years to enrich themselves at the expense of millions of Venezuelans. Here there is no growth, on the contrary, it is estimated that we have gone back 50 years. In one of my poems I indicated it. "The mules and the horses are walking in the city again."
I liked how you approach the topic of dissidence and psychic vampirism,
Well, they have not absorbed our cosmic energy. We are like zombies without any direction. We only seek to satisfy the need to eat.
Sorry friend if I have been hard with the expressed, but the subject lends itself to vent a little. Thank you for writing so beautifully.
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts @corderosiete. My heart goes out to you and your countrymen. Poor governance is a problem everywhere on planet Earth. If only we had kind-hearted individuals with humanity's best interest at heart at the helm, our world would be much different. In lieu of that, we must take the yoke of uplifting the world upon ourselves, no matter how agonizingly slow the process. I remain an optimist in the face of the horrors seen in our society's present condition. Wholeness, and you are welcome to vent anytime.
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@d-pend,

As per usual, a very well written and thoughtful treatise.

I would, however, add an insight. Dissension is a critical part of the "creative destruction" process. Every scientific breakthrough or revolutionary invention required dissension against the status quo. The status quo, embraced, or at least tolerated by the community ... is often wrong. Sometimes, dramatically so.

I recently had a first-hand experience with such phenomenon. I published a Series of Articles about some of the systemic problems effecting Steemit and proffered a number of solutions. Given that I was proposing reforms to an existing system, that would make me the "dissenter." 

The first couple articles passed with only minor discord but the fourth detonated a bomb. It was immediately swarmed by a Witness Group. By Day 2, the post ranked as the 7th "Most Commented On" post on the blockchain. This Witness Group left 100+ comments, insulting and belittling anyone who dared to disagree with them. On Day 3, I edited the Article, saying I would no longer respond to said Witness Group and asking other commenters to likewise refrain.

Given that the comments section had become a morass of *ad hominem* attacks, which now requires hours to wade through, I was forced to create a new post just to summarize, and provide answers to, the cogent interactions that had occurred. 

During this time, my DM exploded, filled with numerous supportive commenters ... who were afraid to comment, or even upvote, for fear of retaliation. "Blacklisted" became the word of the day.

That experience, plus this article, has inspired me to create a new post.

About a month ago, I published a poem/article entitled, **"As He Demurs" (poem/article) >>> Toxic Masculinity ... or Ideological Hyperbole?** 

As you can imagine, it contained argument that many would consider controversial. The poem and article were well written and meant to stimulate the self-examination of belief systems, specifically, some of the more recent assertions of radical feminism. Inarguably, this has been the social function of poets since time immemorial. 

One of the commenters on the post disagreed with some of the arguments I'd made. His disagreements, however, were so astonishingly well articulated, and his manner of comportment, despite his disagreement, so salutatory, that I asked his permission to copy-paste our comment/reply thread into a post ... as an exemplar of what "civil and intelligent discourse" looks like. 

He agreed. I got a bit distracted with the Steemit Reform Articles but here's that post, if a bit delayed.  

https://steemit.com/writing/@quillfire/arguing-without-being-a-holes-civil-discourse-an-exemplar

 *Quill*
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That's fantastic. I personally see you as a rare beacon of reason when it comes to civil disagreement, and hope to emulate that example in the future. At some point I plan to write on various topics that are taboo, most of which I hold beliefs *very* different from those of the status quo, which you correctly asserted are often far from correct. I want to make sure when I do decide to address these topics, I'm doing so with the right intention, which is to present alternatives from the common ways of viewing things.

I've avoided doing so most of the time I've been on Steemit because I went through a phase of being extremely vocal on social media in the past and I was fed up with dealing with knee-jerk backlash from individuals more interested in being "right" than coming to any kind of understanding. Unfortunately, that describes a large portion of humanity, because they are primarily focused on survival instincts. We hold our views so dearly, at times, that to even allow them to change slightly feels like a kind of death.

I missed a couple of your posts in the series you linked to, but caught up on them the other day. I read through a bunch of the shitstorm of comments on that one post, too. What a trip.

*P.S. Toxic feminism is among the subjects I choose not to touch with a ten-foot pole, because people are unable to discuss it rationally. I applaud you for doing so in spite of that. I know it's a radical statement in our current culture, but it's ok to be proud to be a man and celebrate masculinity.*
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@d-pend,

Daniel, I'm a bit older than you. One of the things I've discovered in life is that the *"fight will always find you."* The only way to avoid fighting is to lie down and surrender. As you've undoubtedly noticed, not my strong suit.

I am a political and philosophical Centrist. I deliberately eschew party affiliation because I don't want to have to defend, out of party loyalty, policies or ideas with which I disagree. I hold "intellectual honesty" in very high regard as, I suspect, you do as well. 

Rather, I support, or critique, one idea at a time ... irrespective of its origins. And irrespective of the pedigree of an idea, I attempt to use logic, reason and rationality to weigh its merit. As a result of this policy, I often find myself in sharp conflict with "ideologues" of one kind or another. 

Ideology requires the acceptance of axiomatic truths without examination, a suspension of critical thinking and peer review. Indeed, it is a manner of non-thinking. Ideology is the antithesis of the Enlightenment Ideals for which so many paid with their lives. *(If you haven't read it in a while, I recommend re-reading Orwell's "1984" ... understanding that he was critiquing his own side. He was an English Socialist disgusted by the extremes to which he witnessed his fellow socialists resorting.)* 

The environment *(the Plains of Africa),* for which our ancient brain systems evolved, have long since disappeared, and yet, they continue to dominate our cognition in a world which demands far more nuance. This is dangerous and requires discipline.   

While such intellectual high-mindedness might sound like a "safe space," it actually requires a significant amount of courage to defend. When you say you're a "conservative" or "liberal" *(or whatever),* a number of people will automatically take you're back out of solidarity. 

While the majority of the population actually possess beliefs similar to my own, they are the **Silent Majority and, true to the moniker ... they remain Silent ... or are at least slow to show support.** 

The problem which such silence is that it cedes the debate to those with the loudest voices who, in my experience, are often the most extreme, and sometimes to the point of lunacy. And, disturbingly, such opinions have a way of becoming laws and cultural mores to which we all become subject.

You and I share a couple of qualities: We are thinkers, and, we possess the ability to articulate our thoughts. Such qualities are rarer than you might imagine. But possessing such abilities, and declining to use them, has the same effect as not possessing them at all. I suspect you will find it intolerable to suppress your thoughts, irrespective of the potential blowback. You cannot help but be what you are. 

If it's any consolation:

>To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,

He went before us in all things.

Respecting "Toxic Feminism," I am often dumb-founded by the source of my greatest support on this subject: Women. Perhaps it ought not be surprising, but women, as a general rule, like masculinity. Not the stupid kind, at which we all roll our eyes, but just all the stuff that comes naturally. And, they like femininity. And, they like that the two are not the same. 

And yet, they are surrounded by radical feminists screaming at them to "defend the sisterhood" against the "male onslaught." Patriarchy. I don't know what it's like in North Carolina, but here in Florida, I see no evidence that such a thing exists. Individual morons, sure ... but no systemic or cultural bias against women. 

The Wage Gap, so frequently trotted out as such evidence, has been studied *ad nauseum* by economists and even the Lefties say that it doesn't exist. The disparity in earnings is the result of different life choices that men and women make, not those made by employers. And yet, the mountains of studies and clear explanations do nothing to diminish the wails of Oppression. This is a hallmark of ideological thinking.     

For anyone who would like to dive a little deeper: https://steemit.com/poetry/@quillfire/as-he-demurs-poem-article-toxic-masculinity-or-ideological-hyperbole

"Equality" is not the same as "sameness." As evidence of the assertion, I'll leave you with the following video. Both are singing in an archtypically masculine/feminine *(different)* manner: accomplishing together ... *what neither could accomplish alone.* While different, they are equal in the endeavor.

I, for one, find it intensely beautiful. It's almost as if Nature made each incomplete ... so that each would notice that the **_Whole was Greater Than the Sum of the Parts._**  

Quill

https://youtu.be/GDowciTTX8Y
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there are so many scenarios an intricate details  that i would blow up your comment section if i elaborated ...
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@taliakerch ·
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it's YOUR style;)
even prose is written in your special manner;)
you're one the few people here whom I can't read without a translator;))
you develop me, thank you;)

btw, is it your photo at last? very nice!

about the point of the post: dissension is really a way of motivation for further development and inner growth. 
Human beings are creatures who need movement forward, constant movement to the top, otherwise, if we stop, it's not just a pause, it can be longlasting stagnation and downgrade.
So, yes, I'm For dissensions if they lead to evolution, changes for better and inner growth.
Agreements often hide absence of a desire to move on and do something, it's better to keep silent and have peace, but in fact, it can be not a peaceful river but a swamp.
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@taliakerch,

>you're one the few people here whom **_I can't read without a translator_**

You and me both, sister. 

I've spoken English for 50 years as a first language ... and I'm a poet. And yet I never know what Daniel's talking about. 

But I have, nevertheless, come up with a strategy for leaving **great comments** on his posts *(which are mostly poems).* Daniel's all about complexity. He revels in confusing people so badly that they'll need to seek professional counseling. 

**USE THAT AGAINST HIM!** 

Here's a stanza from his most recent poem:

>Reprise of fate and fantasy,
reflections of what cannot be—
elation-knotted tombs of lovers' hands
demanding symphonies be scoured. 

**_What the Hell does that mean?_** 

Now amateurs would throw themselves helplessly against this impenetrable wall of words ... but not you. Like me ... *you're now a pro.* 

Instead of focusing on words and phrases like, *"Elation-knotted tombs"* ... you focus on words that he can't contort into Cuneiform-Era Ancient Anglo-Saxon no matter how hard he tries. Look below: 

>Reprise **of** fate **and** fantasy,
reflections of what cannot **be**—
elation-knotted tombs of lovers' hands
demanding symphonies be scoured. 

"Of," "and" "be." 

Now be creative.

**_"Oh, @d-pend, I'm awed by your masterful use of prepositions. You know who else used those selfsame prepositions ... Shakespeare!"_**

Any comparison to Shakespeare will automatically make ALL poets pee in their pants. Now, you turn up the heat. 

You type the word "prepositions" into Wikipedia and then start copy-pasting words you've never heard of. And then ... **_you hit him with a word salad of superlatives from which it will take him a week to recover:_** 

**_"Your use of adpositions, both prepositional and postpositional, is both unrivaled and unparalleled. The way you use them to express spatial and temporal relations and the marking of semantic roles ... kudos, sir, kudos! I think I even detected a hint of circumposition while definitely reveling in your clever deployment of ambiposition, inposition and interposition. You are a linguist extraordinaire."_** 

100% upvote every time.

*Quill*
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hmm..
thank you for "advice". Rather cute.
I respect people with good sense of humour and their own position, but in this very case I can't and I actually don't want to share your mood and this type of irony about Daniel's creativity.

Yes, his style is very specific and not anyone can get it, it's not just poetry, but even a real puzzle, both in word choice and sence of poems. 

But these very pecularities have made him Unique, his style can be found among hundreds of other poems, and it's his victory. How he has reached such results, it's his own choice and his own right, and actually His own way of thinking and perception of this world. 
Neither you, nor me or anybody else can judge him for this. It's He, and His right to be Himself. 
Many men - many minds.
I hope, you agree with me.
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@taliakerch,

You misunderstand my intent. Daniel and I are good friends and we're both poets. Every once in a while, we engage in a little guy trash-talking. It's all just good-natured sport. I guarantee, he won't be offended. To the contrary, when he sees it, he'll probably laugh himself silly.

I appreciate you sticking up for him, though. 

But remember ... boys will be boys. This is how we bond. *(I know, it doesn't make any sense.)*

*Quill*
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ahh, are you friends??:)) then it's ok;)
I like such kind of sarcastic communication, that is how I communicate with my close relatives and friends;)
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@quillfire ·
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@taliakerch,

We poets can be a bit dark and dismal, so it's good if we all have a laugh from time to time. And, if I provoke Daniel enough about writing in Ancient Sumerian ... this is what he produces just to shut me up and show me who's boss:

https://steemit.com/poetry/@d-pend/warbirds

You see, *there's a method to my madness.* :-)

*Quill*
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@taliakerch ·
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dismal? why? 
because you've a brain storm of creativity all the time?

I definetely like your sense of humour;)
Daniel can shut all of us by his poems;))
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@taliakerch,

I wrote a poem about it: :-)

https://steemit.com/poetsunited/@quillfire/spu-poetry-contest-1-poets

*Quill*
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Your definition of psychic vampirism is new to me:

> Psychic vampirism is a rampant, learned energetic phenomenon in our society (typically first taught by one's parents, subconsciously) in which one literally steals some life energy from another by purposely upsetting them to throw them off balance. 

I think dissension is necessary and is not always wrong. Sometimes the small group of dissension recognizes something the whole has not yet. It is best to deal with dissension openly and directly before calling for media and legal action or demonstrations. I am glad you wrote this:

> This notification, however, should be done with an intention of pure, unconditional love, without any blaming or projection.

I work in a socially emerging country with serious differences in worlds of thought by generation. This combined with a hierarchical structure of decision making comes to unspoken disagreements. As an American I am in the middle. I have seen this dissension in the public school, Ministry of Education and in the church. As a foreigner I try not to interfere but to provide an environment for people to talk openly until they can see why the community acts a certain way.  So far I have not seen few permanent resolution. Mostly avoidance or compromise. This is because of the "beliefs" as you discussed in the first two paragraphs including value systems of individuals. 

The last place of dissension and where it hurts the most is in the family. In my experience it is better to lose temporarily and win long term. My wife and I are from two completely different mind sets as probably every man and woman. I can't expect her to understand why I love some of the things about crypto currency and decentralization and public media presence and some of my theories of education clash with her. It's like we hit a brick wall. If it is not urgent then I wait. Some day later she understands just like that. In the meantime I need patience and love.
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Thanks for this response @mineopoly. Your perspective from living in Korea is very interesting. It reminds me a bit of how I felt in India, though my experience was much shorter so I didn't have the chance to get as deep into the culture as I'd like. The role of a foreigner as an intermediary is a beautiful, yet I would imagine frustrating thing. Beautiful because you are not expected to take sides, but frustrating because of the potential assumption by natives that you probably don't understand the subtleties since it's not your mother land.

When you talked about dissension in the family, I think a lot of your character was revealed. Being oriented more long term and choosing battles is often wise when it is tempting to prove that "you're right and the other person is wrong." That way lies death. I've experienced many relationships being weakened by an unwillingness to listen and understand. It's not easy, but it's worth it. If disagreements are extreme, the relationship may have to end, and that is ok too, but again—not so easy.
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