RE: The Money-Free Society Is Closer than You Think! by uvas

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· @uvas ·
Lolz.

 How will anyone gain anything? Because you hope they will?

 Money is a tool that makes trading goods easier and more efficient. Getting rid of money will make the trading of goods harder and less efficient. So, without money, things will be harder and more expensive to build. So there will be less of everything without money. This includes less healthcare and less food. Many many people will die from malnutrition and the diseases that will result from the reintroduction of famines into the world.

There is nowhere in the world that operates without money. Every time it has been tried in history has been a horrible failure. Civilization is built by money.

Our reality is that economic goods are scarce. It takes effort and time and capital to create them. There is no getting around that it takes work and capital to produce things. Goods will not magically become super abundant by getting rid of money. This dream makes zero sense.
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@amaterasusolar ·
Money is a very dangerous tool (it promotes psychopaths to power), and We have the tech to eliminate it.  Trade (accounting for Our energy added into a community) made sense when Human energy was scarce, compared to what was needed...  But now...  Well I have a video that explains it.

And yes, there have been societies that lived without money, but the key was that They lived in abundance.  They were happy, playful, loving and caring societies.  Then the "western world" intruded and it all deteriorated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr9ks0KRRyQ
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@uvas · (edited)
The first part of your video makes you sound like a libertarian. It seems like you follow the nap. This seems reasonable. The "post scarcity" bit is nonsense. Your examples of food waste is nonsense. Food waste has been around 40% for as long as we have been eating. The vast majority is wasted in the home. Your example of "planned obsolescence" is also nonsense. How can you determine if it is planned or rather some smart person simple improved something. Starvation has been very nearly eradicated form the earth. There are no more famines. You can worry about psychopaths all you want, because they will always be with us. Besides, nothing in this video says anything nearly as stupid as the elimination of money being a good thing.

Money is a very useful tool for 7 billion people. It allows every single person to trade whatever they are good at producing very efficiently.

Efficient trade is extremely valuable to a society taking advantage of division of labor. Division of labor multiplies the effects of efficient trading. With it we have built this technological wonder of life we have now.

Every tool made by man can be used for good or evil.  This is human nature. If you don't like how some humans use money, don't blame the money, blame human nature. So stupid to blame money. Its like blaming the weapon used to kill someone, not the murderer.

Yes, before the rise of civilization, there were people living without money. For a hundred thousand years, man hunted and gathered. And lived on the edge of existence. Life was dangerous, brutish, violent, and short. You lived day to day wondering if you were going to starve to death next week. Very happy playful loving indeed. lol.

Then money came along and civilization was built. It was a long hard battle.  Up until a few hundred years ago, 99% of humanity was living at a subsistence level. But look at us now, famines are gone. The scourge of human existence has been very nearly eliminated in the last 50 years. With the demise of famines, plagues have also gone away.  Thank you capitalism, thank you.
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@amaterasusolar ·
LOL!  Food waste has been that high because of the expectation of something in return - but if You have robots and People who LOVE to farm creating the food, and with modern (and even electrogravitic) transportation, there will be no demand for return and the food can get where it is needed or wanted before spoilage.  You do grasp what planned obsolescence is, right?  Mostly it is creating products that fail or are disposable (with a bit of future planning for more sales on "better" products).

Money keeps 6 billion in poverty while very Few can afford the education needed to rise above poverty.  It surely does NOT allow every Person to trade - when Most don't have access to the needed things to actually create something - like land, water, seed, tools, etc. - because They can't AFFORD them.

I do not blame the tool, and I surely don't blame "Human nature," either.  The psychopaths (about 1% of Us are genetically psychopathic across the board) seize control though money.

And no...  I don't mean "hunter/gatherers."  I mean island cultures that existed up until the early 20th century.  They had a vast abundance of all They needed to survive, and these cultures did just fine, cooperating rather than competing (as must be in moneyed societies).  Then the "western" way of life invaded, the land was usurped, and the societies dissolved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCY5Op1-Fck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_D18HcOmlE
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