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· @clayop ·
Feature 5
**5. All comments are paid out 7 days after creation and there is no longer a second payout window**
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@cassidyandfranks ·
Does not bother or effect me at the moment.
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@blocktrades ·
$2.39
I think to make this vote, more details about this point need to be made. Specifically, the description should be extended to read: "and the payout extension period to prevent voting abuse will be removed". AFAIK, this is the main objection to this point, not the part mentioned above.
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@fyrstikken ·
$4.34
Payout every day is what makes it fun to post every day. I think this 7 days needs to be split up into day1 payout and day7 payout - it can still use the same curve - just delete the difference that has already been paid out on day 1 when the day 7 payout comes and we will have a brilliant solution.
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@liondani ·
I think it would be better that the current  
24h.+1month gets >>>>  24h.+*1week*  
(2 payout windows just 1month>>>1week)
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@liondani ·
What @jesta says makes much more sense!
https://steemit.com/poll/@clayop/poll-your-opinions-on-hardfork-17-features#@jesta/re-fubar-bdhr-re-clayop-re-poll-your-opinions-on-hardfork-17-features-05-20170321t045108674z
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@fubar-bdhr ·
$1.72
Posts should always be eligible for payout.  Window really doesn't seem to matter much.  Most posts are voted on withing the first hour with the exception of really active ones or ones that have made it to the front of trending  There is no reason new people coming in and voting on old content should not be allowed or even discouraged.
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@jesta ·
$5.47
I brought that up during recent discussions as well - I think having unlimited, repeating payout cycles for posts makes a lot of sense. If I write a technical article about how to build a website, the first week it might earn $10, but it remains valuable and should be able to start a new payout cycle whenever more people start voting on it weeks or months into the future. 

An additional idea thrown out by someone (sorry, don't remember who) would also include that the account has to have  enough weight for a payout (0.02) to start a new payout cycle. 

There may be some avenues for abuse with this approach - but nothing you can't do already just by creating new posts everyday. If anything, by having a single payout window, we're encouraging people to repost the same content over and over on the blockchain.
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@snowflake · (edited)
$0.03
@jesta  I like the idea of having unlimited payout cycles . Like you said it make sense, if people on youtube were paid only for 7 days's views they would post a lot of clickbait stuff,repost a lot of video too and would not put the same amount of effort in creating content which will result in lower quality.
My only concern with this feature is that if there is unlimited payout cycles then the daily reward will be shared between more and more posts as time goes by which will reduce payouts for newly created post, not sure if a valid concern but something to think about...
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@cryptoctopus ·
I like it. Couldnt that feature be an arbitrary variable depending in the platform its been created on?
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@liondani ·
$0.23
THIS ^^^

It deserves a dedicated post ! Please make a post about it @jesta 
It really deserves more attention!
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@timcliff · (edited)
There are two problems with this:
1. With a limited rewards pool, less and less will be available for 'active' content as more and more starts to go to 'historic' content.
2. It allows users to keep re-voting on the same content over and over by powering down, and then powering up a new account.

I would prefer to add some form of 'easy tipping' to the UI. I feel that this would be an acceptable way of providing rewards to old content. On traditional websites, I would argue that most users would **not** tip - but on a site like Steemit where there are already lots of rewards "flying around" - there is a lot less of a burden to send a few STEEM/SBD coins someone's way if you like their content.
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@sneak · (edited)
$0.09
This exemplifies the reason why design-by-committee is doomed to languishing failure.

Engineering is trade-offs, and the best trade-off based on the current engineering constraints is a single payout window.  Everything else (two payout windows, unlimited repeating payout windows, et c) impacts scalability significantly.

There are regular, deep discussions in our engineering organizations about these tradeoffs, and it would be a full-time job for several people just to communicate the minutiae adequately (to people who mostly haven't read the code).

At some point, unless you want to come and sit in our office full time (or understand the c++ consensus code in full), changes like this are going to have to boil down to "trust us, we do this for a living".  I think there about 6-8 people in total on all of Steemit that have qualified opinions about the "how" and the "why" of the engineering decisions of the actual implementation of these changes.

Alternately, go and read the code, and you won't have to trust us.  It's open source for a reason. :)

We are gearing up to support a lot more users and posts, and have identified the scalability chokepoints and have a plan to eliminate most of them.  This is crucial to that plan, at the expense of a tiny dent in UX (it would be lovely to keep 24h payouts, and payout indefinitely, but those implementations simply will not scale as we grow).
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@azfix ·
Spot on here, I couldn't have said it better myself!
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@donkeypong ·
Not my favorite feature, but I support this because I think it will make external promotion possible. People will promote their posts outside of Steemit and that should help bring more people here. We need to look beyond Steemit's details and see the larger picture.
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@jesta ·
$0.23
Another way to make external promotion (and longer term) would be repeatable payout cycles on a single post. You're right, this does help it, but making content viable forever would have a much larger impact.
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@donkeypong ·
Yes, it also would enable FAQ content, Wikipedia stuff, timeless writing or photos, and so forth.
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@sardrt ·
I agree .. It should be possible to reward those who bring out Steem. Have you thought about this thing ??
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@clains ·
$2.63
How about this idea: OP gets a fraction of the payout of the comments. Then starting a huge discussion would be profitable.
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@liondani ·
The Op of every comment also from their child comments!
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@timcliff ·
This was actually how it was designed in the whitepaper :)
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@donkeypong · (edited)
I'd have to think about it and discuss this more, but offhand it sounds like a really good idea. You even could consider giving community moderators some cut to stimulate engagement also.
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@jaki01 ·
I like it to find great somewhat older articles sometimes and are still able to reward the author ... But maybe the long time span has some disadvantages I am just not aware of?
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@beanz ·
I would vote yes to this *if* the period was still extendable to avoid last minute whale (or bot) votes.  I also think it could be shorter, perhaps from 5-7 days.

Bloggers don't expect all their readers to read in the first 2 days, so I agree that the window for receiving rewards should be wider.
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@cryptoctopus ·
$0.32
This should be an arbitrary variable depending on the app. This feature may box STEEM into a certain type of platform. The current behavior is only gathered from 1 UIX.
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@smooth ·
I agree what I would like to see is a short default lifetime with the ability of the poster or app to extend the time by paying a fee or using more bandwidth allowance. If you can post one every seven days for a month,  you should be able to make one post and have it stay active for a month. The cost to the system for the latter is actually _lower_ yet the current (and proposed) rules only allow the former.
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@shadowspub ·
is this applied to just comments as stated or posts too?
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@blocktrades ·
$0.02
It applies to posts and comments.
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@shadowspub ·
thank you... Just comments I'd be okay with as discussions can carry on for a few days but the post, not so much in agreement
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@robrigo · (edited)
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@businesswri ·
24 hour payout window makes Steemit much more exciting
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@sneak · (edited)
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Having a continuous payout cycle is also a good way to require an unbounded amount of memory to run `steemd`.  There are engineering trade-offs here which we dive deeply on.
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