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· @steevc · (edited)
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Fighting abuse on the Steem blockchain
When I joined Steemit in August 2016 I could immediately see massive potential to help people around the world to earn extra income. Here was a platform that didn't rely on advertising and where the community got to decide where the rewards would go. As there are very few rules the system is open to abuse and it's up to that same community to deal with it.

You get to use your voting power, based on the Steem Power you hold, to adjust the payout for any post or comment. This is the 'proof of brain' principle described in the [Steem blue paper](https://steem.io/steem-bluepaper.pdf).

[![Steemflagrewards](https://steemitimages.com/500x400/https://i.imgur.com/HzO3EYs.jpg)](/@steemflagrewards)

From a fairly early point I flagged some posts that I thought were abusing the system for personal gain. Of course everyone wants to earn something here, but I think we should all play a part in making the Steem platform better for all. That means not just voting for yourself, not plagiarising the work of others and generally trying to make it better and not worse. When you flag a post the popup below appears with some suggested reasons why you might flag. These are not totally definitive and it is a personal choice. The first is the main reason I flag. 

![Flag](https://img.esteem.ws/4voj1wrzf3.png) 

When you flag you take a risk as the recipient may decide to retaliate and you don't get any curation rewards for doing it. I [experienced this](/haejin/@steevc/haejin-is-a-bully) when I flagged one of the biggest abusers of this platform. He used his own considerable SP and that of another account he controlled to give himself massive rewards every day. My flags had very little impact, but he felt justified in wiping out my small rewards for that week. Happily I had a lot of support from others to undo some of the damage.

It was through the efforts to deal with that account that I met some of the other people who were trying to deal with abuse. They worked together in a community based around the @SteemFlagRewards account and associated [Discord channel](https://discord.gg/9CPReV). This incentivises flagging by voting up those who do so. You just need to leave a comment on whatever you flag stating the reason and, if that is accepted by the moderators, you get a vote. What you get is pretty much what you could earn by self-voting your own work, but in this case you have freed up some rewards for the pool that would otherwise have gone to undeserving work. I have seen many cases where this has persuaded the perpetrators to stop continuing their abuse.

Of course some people take this flagging personally and I've seen some say it's a 'crime'. They obviously don't understand how Steem is intended to work. Your rewards do not become yours until 7 days after the post and anyone can adjust them before then.

So why does this team of moderators mostly go after small accounts? It's because those are the winnable battles. There are some big accounts that make tens or even hundreds of dollars each day by abusing the system in various ways, but they can only be tackled by other whales. Most of the SFR crew only have hundreds of SP and so can only remove cents from a post. Even so, they can get retaliation that reduces their rewards and still they continue. For the effort they put in their rewards are pretty small anyway.

If you have less than a few hundred SP then there's not too much you can do on the flagging front, but you can still support the efforts of others whilst you build your account.

I do most of my flagging by checking what @SteemFlagRewards has commented on or by seeing what people are reporting on Discord. It think we need multiple people to flag each post to show it's really a community effort. We have the support of some witnesses including @pjau, @themarkymark and @patrice (who you should vote for). They also help to get bad accounts blacklisted by the more responsible vote sellers.

I've said plenty about buying votes before. In general I consider them a detriment to Steem, but there's nothing I can do. They are businesses who operate on this blockchain for profit. I prefer to see votes earned by real interaction. I do receive votes from various schemes that I have delegated to, but I think they do good work for Steem in general. If I see an account getting almost all its rewards by buying votes then I will consider flagging as they are reducing what others can get.

This post is part of a general effort to encourage productive curation for the good of Steem. If we want it to grow then we need to do what we can to improve the quality of the content new visitors see. Here are some other posts you may want to read:
* [What is Steem Flag Rewards](/utopian-io/@anthonyadavisii/-steem-flag-rewards-project-update-and-milestone) by @anthonyadavisii.
* [Defintitions of spam](/utopian-io/@lovenfreedom/spam-eat-it-or-clean-it-up-with-me) by @Lovenfreedom.
* [Flagging comment spam](/utopian-io/@steemseph/flagging-comment-spam-is-a-regular-part-of-currion-let-s-learn-how) by @steemseph.
* [Bid bot abuse](/utopian-io/@iamstan/antiabuse-contribution-for-october-flagging-bid-bot-abuse) by @iamstan. He's the one working with Utopian to build the effort against abuse.
* [Plagiarism](/abuseseries/@enforcer48/abuse-series-deceit) by @enforcer48.
* [Fighting abuse](/utopian-io/@freebornangel/abuse-fighting-on-steem-today-1) by @freebornangel.

Some of those may be already paid out, but check for more recent posts you can vote on to show support. If you increase their SP then they can do even more. I would encourage you to vote on the comments they leave on spam too.

Steem is still pretty small. If it grows to millions of active users then these issues are likely to get even worse. We can at least try to set a good example and steer users to a better path that has more of a future.

Let's make Steem great! If you're going to be at Steemfest then I'll be happy to discuss this further.

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@acknowledgement ·
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I upvoted your post.

Keep steeming for a better tomorrow.
@Acknowledgement - God Bless

Posted using https://Steeming.com condenser site.
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@steevc ·
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Try real comments to get somewhere. This is considered spam. Your vote has little value, so your comments should have more.
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@iamstan ·
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I would bet if we dig in on that account we will find more abuse.
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@spyder896 ·
Yeah i have seen so much account with this kind of think and they are saying that we have invested so why we help other And lots of more excuse at one place they are right they have invested too much fund they should also be get some earning
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@steevc ·
I don't mind people earning if they put out something of value. They can earn by curating or by delegating to others who may pay them. Just churning out spam harms Steem.
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@heimindanger · (edited)
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I've been downvoting any abuse I see ever since I joined this network.

One major mistake is the location of the flag button, and it's lack of importance in the UI in steemit. It should be equally placed and sized than the upvote button.

Fuck blacklists, it's centralized and it will lead to abuse (it already does in the case of marky)
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@conradt ·
I try not to get involved in flagging because of my low SP (and threat of retaliation - sad isnt it!). Its sad to see  abuse going on and not being able to do much about it - I mean there are services out there trying to cleanup the blockchain which is great!
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@steevc ·
Moving the flag button on Steemit would be a good move. Some of the other dapps make it even less obvious how to flag.

I think blacklists can have a function if the vote sellers work together to deal with abusers. Obviously need trusted people to manage them, but I don't see the harm.
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@berniesanders ·
# @heimindanger is bigot trash who refers to people as "fag".  Look at his comment history and you'll see just what a piece of shit he truly is!!

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@awesomianist ·
I'm with you on this one. it's as if people conspired to make democratized content curation a taboo. I myself am scared as shit to "flag" people because my SP makes it easy enough for dipshits to take it personally and downvote me back as retaliation. 

The upvote/downvote UI on dtube should be normalized everywhere else. And maybe we can change how people address downvotes as "flags". Flags imply centralized censorship, downvote is decentralized.
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# @heimindanger is bigot trash who refers to people as "fag".  Look at his comment history and you'll see just what a piece of shit he truly is!!

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@mikefromtheuk ·
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It'd be nice if Ned stepped in and flagged some abusive accounts. 
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@onnovocks · (edited)
FYI - Ned is powering down.
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@iamstan ·
$0.03
What is he doing with it?
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@conradt ·
$0.02
<blockquote>Of course some people take this flagging personally and I've seen some say it's a 'crime'</blockquote>

Yeah some people take it way to personally! We are within our rights to flag content and thats how the community is suppose to manage the system. The bigger crime is that people constantly produce sup par content and abuse the system and get away with it
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@lovenfreedom ·
$6.22
Hi @steevc, thank you for your contribution to the Utopian anti-abuse initiative.

Fighting abuse is indeed a community effort. I see your activity on SteemD and SteemWorld and all I can say is 

**Thank you for setting a good example on the blockchain**

Your post highlights the risk of flagging. And I laud the encouragement to continue fighting abuse even without considerable SP.

Creating quality content, community engagement and reporting abuse are great examples of fighting abuse without being on the flagging front.

The Utopian anti-abuse team look forward to your next contribution. We would like to see a dolphin-view of fighting abuse on the platform and what kind of abuse you are most adamant about.

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@steevc ·
$0.33
Thanks. I think this is a vital topic on Steemit and I'll be talking to people about it at Steemfest whenever I can.
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@utopian-io ·
$0.03
Thank you for your review, @lovenfreedom! Keep up the good work!
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@awesomianist · (edited)
$0.05
I'll be reading more about @steemflagrewards. I wanna be a part of this.

Resteemed for more awareness.
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@steevc ·
Cheers. We need more people to be part of it to show it's not just some small gang out to cause trouble.
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@iamstan ·
$0.03
Another good post for the Utopian-io antiabuse initiative. Thanks @steevc for this post and for all the wonderful work you do daily!
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@bozz ·
$0.05
This is a great initiative that you are a part of.  Flagging is something that a lot of people see as scary, but if used in the right way it can be a real benefit to the system.    Thanks for doing what you can to try to make things better.
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@steevc ·
Thank you so much for your support.
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@clumsysilverdad ·
unless steem is reformed it will never succeed.... it is concentrated decentralization, which is toxic
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@steevc ·
Don't forget that it's made of people. I met a lot of them this week who give me confidence. It's not just about money
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@clumsysilverdad ·
sounds good, i just don't know why it's so hard to get a positive message consistently across on steemit... maybe it's just the nature of decentralization
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