RE: A - What is the evidence that HIV causes AIDS? by alexbiojs

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· @alexbiojs ·
really good answer.
All my questions were answered, thanks.
Indeed, now after reading all this I myself can be sure that HIV->AIDS === true.

AFAIK, in most universities HIV->AIDS should be accepted by students as undeniable fact/"by default".

My kind of confusion was raised after I read 1/10 (or so) of the book called ["Inventing the AIDS Virus"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventing_the_AIDS_Virus).
Because preface for that book was written by [Kary Mullis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis) who wrote that

"We have not been able to discover any good reasons why most
of the people on earth believe that AIDS is a disease caused by a
virus called HIV. There is simply no scientific evidence demonstrating that this is true"
[Source - Inventing the AIDS Virus]

While denying "HIV->AIDS" might sound sort of pseudoscientific (especially after getting the information presented in the post above)
"Kary Mullis" (an inventor of PCR (polymerase chain reaction) which became one of the main techniques in biochemistry and molecular biology labs all over the world) probably shouldn't sound like that.


It seems to me that two links to researches provided in the "The accidental and experimental evidence" section of the post
are/were very important (the most important as for me) to be sure that HIV->AIDS.

The book (Inventing the AIDS Virus) was published in 1996.
And two those researches were published in 1997 and 1996.
So, possibly those people who wrote all that book would reconsider their opinions.


And looks like so called [HIV/AIDS denialism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_denialism)
is a widespread source of misnformation 

> One study of gay and bisexual men in five US cities showed that 45% of men agreed with the statement 
“HIV does not cause AIDS” and 51% of men agreed with the statement “HIV/AIDS drugs can harm you more than help you”
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3015095/)

and affects the desire of HIV+ petients to get antiretroviral therapy [“There is no Proof that HIV Causes AIDS”: AIDS Denialism Beliefs among People Living with HIV/AIDS](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3015095/).

Especially in this Internet age it's very easy to find information but looks like a lot of people due to lack of knowledge quite often find
misinformation.
We need more projects like StemQ.
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Interesting.  I looked further into it.  I was shocked to see the existence of HIV - AIDS deniers.  Even more surprising was to find people who deny existence of the HIv virus and even viruses at all.  

Though does HIV really cause AIDS was a good academic question.  And a part of scientific process.  The line of questioning was started by [Duisburg](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2644642/?ncbi_mmode=std)  back is 1987, 1989. However it seems that after almost 38 years with so much evidence people end up asking the same question.  In fact there a very few academic studies who still make these speculations.  

I think majority of it revolves around the idea that why not all HIV+ people progress to AIDS?  Based on this many think that HIV is not sufficient to explain AIDS and need other factors to act synergistically.  However,  it rather appears as if some people have more resistance to progressing to AIDS as compared to most who would die because of AIDS.  It is not like only rare people are prone to developing AIDS on HIV infection.  

Then,  second confusion may arise because HIV is not targeting to kill a person.  It kills CD4+ T cells.  Which causes immunodeficiency and then other infections kill the person.  So yes for fully fledged AIDS you need other infections to occur.  But what made it so easy for these infections to occur?  The answer beyond doubt is a virus called HIV that made people immunocompromised.  
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