RE: I quit, I think by ats-david

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· @ats-david ·
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>This post screams "Self-centeredness" and "Entitlement mentality".

I'm going to have to disagree with you there. What @lily-da-vine and many others have been doing since last summer is exactly what one would expect a successful blogger to do. Over that time, she has gained a large following, including some followers with a larger stake. These people vote on her posts, presumably because they enjoy the content or want to reward her for her efforts. 

This past weekend, @lily-da-vine and those many other bloggers who have been doing *exactly* what successful bloggers *should* be doing and who have been doing *exactly* what everyone on this platform would tell others that they *should* be doing - networking and growing their audience, *to include larger stakeholders* - have been explicitly denied the very support from their usual following. And this was done explicitly for the purpose of "giving more rewards/influence to those who don't get/have them."

It has nothing to do with "self-centeredness" or "entitlement mentality" for those *who have been building their brand/reputation/followings for many months.* Just because their following happens to include larger stakeholders is not a reason to deny them the votes of those larger stakeholders. 

### This is a stake-based system.

The STEEM blockchain operates according to DPoS - Delegated Proof of Stake. *The Steemit blogging platform allocates rewards based on stake-weighted voting.* That's what it is. If you're not OK with this concept, then STEEM/Steemit is not for you (not you specifically, "you" as in "anyone who this applies to"). 

Those people who do not have followings or larger stakeholders within their followings and continually demand higher rewards are actually the ones who are acting "entitled." This is social media and this is a stake-weighted platform. If you want more rewards, then you need to build a following with higher-stake users. 

That being said - yes, we are pretty much all in agreement that the n^2 rewards curve needs to be adjusted to a more linear algorithm. And yes, we are all very aware of the distribution of stake issue due to the early mining. The code can be adjusted for the former, but not for the latter. If we want better distribution, then we need those users with the largest stake to either power down, redistribute on their own, or attract many more users who are willing to buy STEEM and power it up. 

What is *not* going to work is an attempt by a few "power users" to dictate who is allowed to earn and who isn't, and which investors are allowed to influence and which ones are not. And when this attempted control over rewards is done in the way that it has been over the last several days, it's only going to serve as a signal for other potential bloggers (who are actually very good at what they do) to stay away from this platform. It will also tell investors who are looking to buy large amounts of STEEM in order to have a larger share of influence in the system to stay away from this platform.

>Just because you got into the good books of some whales (and they are way below 100 in number) doesn't mean everything was going fine for the other tens of thousands of users out there.

Nobody has ever claimed that "everything is going fine." And there certainly aren't "tens of thousands of users" - let alone that many *active* ones. But this line alone is what's most telling about many of the complaints:

>Just because you got into the good books of some whales...

This is the "entitlement mentality." That you or any other user *ought* to be in those same "books" or that @lily-da-vine and others only happened to get lucky is exactly what's wrong with this user base and it's precisely the problem with this current "experiment." If someone is receiving votes from a whale, then we must assume that at least at some point, the whale in question found the work to be valuable/enjoyable and/or wanted to support the user. And guess what - they can support them as much as they want. In fact, they can *only* support that one person if they wanted to. They could upvote every blog post and comment and they can even automate it if they desire. 

That's what your *stake* means. Do what you want with it. If you want more people with more stake to vote for you, then attract them as readers and voters of your content. We're all operating under the same rules - whether those rules are for the blockchain or for social media "popularity." Outside of abuse, there's no reason to expect anything different or "unfair" about how things work here. 

>If you think leaving is the best answer to this, so be it. You have all the right to make that choice.

Ditto to you. And if you'd like to stay, please remember how stake works on this site.
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@lily-da-vine ·
Thank you for this comment. Sending you some steem because we found it to have more value than the 0.01 our upvote gave you.
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@fisteganos ·
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Lol. My argument is not based on stake issues and all. 

If there's anyone more in the good books, it should be me (based on when I joined and what I've achieved in that period). I'm very sure you've voted for me several times and I appreciate it a lot. But I won't start complaining about something I know has an end date (presumably)

All i'm saying is that this "experiment" isn't (or shouldn't) be enough reason to abandon ship. 

The way I am dealing with it is to stop posting my "high quality", "whale attracting" posts for the time being. NOT to threaten to leave. 

I'm not sure I've been able to explain my way out of this though.
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@revostrike ·
>All i'm saying is that this "experiment" isn't (or shouldn't) be enough reason to abandon ship.

I agree that this experiment it's not a reason to abandon the ship; quite the contrary. I've been receiving Curie's support which has helped me a lot in my daily life too, but now due to the low rewards I feel compelled to do <b>more</b>, not the otherwise. I can't just keep doing 1-2 posts per week, a few comments and nothing more. Now I have to be more involved with the community, do more networking, create more content, curate proactively, etc... seek for legit ways to get the most out of this platform so I can keep the stream of rewards going. If I quit I lose, as simple as that.
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@fisteganos ·
My belief exactly!
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@craig-grant ·
YES :)
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@j3dy ·
dude whatever the case this is a controversial topic, I tried to explain my way away too, but it is what it is, the big players are having their whole reason to be here squashed, some of the better creators are getting the slaps and almost held hostage, so the little fish that just came here could have "fun" it's a bunch of bullshit and I understand why people leave. I didn't spend 5 months on here 3 studying the FUD system, so I can spend the next 2 working my ass off for 50 bucks :D to get in good books, :D I don't mind kids with guns, I mind when the "experiment" gets out of hand and brings people to the edge, I liked what snowflake proposed, and even then I said that I mostly agree, but not with communism, and 2 months later rather than getting the flag wars to stop guess what, well we have a real one. Time to throw the whales off the boat, why because we decided we got tired. :D Let's throw like 5 people I know, influential in my views, 

comment was from yesterday, so the trending page is back and the sky is blue again :D 

I tend to not censure myself so I'm posting anyway :) good luck :)
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@r-danneskjold ·
>What is not going to work is an attempt by a few "power users" to dictate who is allowed to earn and who isn't, and which investors are allowed to influence and which ones are not. And when this attempted control over rewards is done in the way that it has been over the last several days, it's only going to serve as a signal for other potential bloggers (who are actually very good at what they do) to stay away from this platform. It will also tell investors who are looking to buy large amounts of STEEM in order to have a larger share of influence in the system to stay away from this platform.

Aye.
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@j3dy ·
I would resteem your comment, but good luck getting that across snowflake and abit at the moment, I'm not sure this experiment i at all an experiment it really looks like clear the streets with the tanks and make sure nobody big moves, so communism with mao in charge :|
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@lily-da-vine ·
I do find it interesting how real life metaphors are playing themselves out here.  Good versus evil, control versus freedom, communism versus capitalism.  Is it intentional? Not sure, but this doesn't seem like an experiment, it's realistically an attack on Steemit as we know it.
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@j3dy ·
well there is that, I always found a sense of communism in his proposed change, a cast system and so on and you can look at steemit as it is now as a corporation or a capitalist system, you can cause riots if you have the capital. 

I wish it didn't come to this, I've stated it multiple times during the past month, but people are rushing ahead and I guess they value their opinion more than they would like to reach a consensus so we can all move forward. 

Sad for the good ideas. Sad for the implementation, sad for the fractures it has caused. 

leaving my comment when this thing was still in inception phase 
https://steemit.com/steem/@snowflake/guardian-of-the-steem-universe-a-different-take-on-the-role-of-whales-within-steem-ecosystem#comments

You can still check out the latest snowflake post.
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@adam.angel ·
That was a very compassionate response in defence of @lily-da-vine. Super nice of you.
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