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These are strong accusations here but let me give you my point of view as one who was initially neutral. 1. JS was a threat from the beginning when he constantly retweeted posts about absorbing Steem into Tron network and make a Tron-based Steem. Whatever that means. 2. Witnesses soft fork was defensive but was taken AFTER attempts to reach out to JS fell on deaf ears. 3. Steem blockchain is the people and not the technology because let's face it, it is open source and copy-paste makes a new one. 4. People willingly made their decision after seeing JS colluded with exchanges to put puppets in charge of governance. 5. Steemit Inc even came out to state blatantly that they're in control of Steem chain for now but will give governance back to whatever is left of the community. How can you call that decentralised? When you have to constantly be looking over your shoulder. 6. We're all free men and have freedom to associate. The majority chose, willingly whether fed "lies" or not, to move to Hive. Tell your own side of the story and try to convince the community, let's see how that goes. I love Steem and I'm in Hive now, not missing a beat. I use the same keys, and live my life in pretty much the same way. Steem isn't dead, it just changed name because the name "Steem" got sold. My 2cents
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`Steemit Inc even came out to state blatantly that they're in control of Steem chain for now but will give governance back to whatever is left of the community. How can you call that decentralised? When you have to constantly be looking over your shoulder.` On STEEM, people are aware of this, and always have been aware that SteemIt Inc stake could start voting. We know a large share of the stake is in it. In HIVE, it's the same thing, except you have no idea who controls the stake, it is dispatched between multiple accounts.
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Time will tell
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I'm also in Hive, although I strongly doubt I will keep many funds there. I know the people in control hate me (I've never been invited to their secret illuminati meetings), so I have legit reasons to be scared for my funds when they own 20/20 witnesses there.
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With all do respects, that is backwards. Yes, you might not be in the HIVE top 20 witness meetings, but its 20 different people. Have you been in the Steemit Inc. witness meetings between Justin and the sockpuppet accounts? In one scenario you have 20+ individuals making a coalition, and in the other you have 1 we know about and then a faceless corporation in the shadows controlling run by that one. If one of those was the "Secret Illuminati", I'd put my money on it being the ones who bought their way into hijacking a chain, refusing to meet with the witnesses, and then actively hiding who actually runs which witness puppet. I am 100% in support of you running a witness node. If we can keep 5 people like you int he top 20, we know the chain can survive in a decentralized manner and all will be okay. But I do think you are misjudging the scenario a bit.
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It's not 20 different people in hive witnesses. It's a cartel with 2-3 people colliding together, also using multiple accounts, just less obvious ones than what happened on steem. See all the anonymous accounts in top 20. How about trying to ask them for their real names, or asking them to show up in the next hivefest? You can be sure they won't show up lol. And nothing is happening on steem side, justin is silent and real witnesses who showed up there are legit people who just don't want it to break. I will not run a Hive node because it costs money and I have 0 chance to see my money back sadly, considering even if the whole real userbase of hive believed in me and voted me, I wouldn't even be in top 50 from the decentralized election :)
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> Witnesses soft fork was defensive No it wasn't. That's what the old witnesses said, but freezing funds is rather a "threatening", not "defensive" > People willingly made their decision after seeing JS colluded with exchanges to put puppets in charge of governance. Yeah it's very easy to fool people by spreading propaganda like "Capital vs Community Revolution". Like they said their action was "defensive" and you just believe it.
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Given the context that a token swap was initially announced, it can be seen as defensive. The problem is that things like this (image) and [this](https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200214005129/en/Steemit-Joining-TRON-Ecosystem) are still live. ![FF7867E1D24F4B9A936E69384A5D5D4E.jpeg](https://files.steempeak.com/file/steempeak/fknmayhem/1LvfdgCD-FF7867E1-D24F-4B9A-936E-69384A5D5D4E.jpeg) Actually, no... the real problem is that this endless escalation and petty fight continues. Many users do not want to make a choice but the reality is that we only see tribal bullshit everywhere. Itโs simple: the announcement was wrong, 22.2 was wrong, 22.5 was wrong, the preparation of the fork was wrong, the โairdropโ censorship (censorship because a vote is free speech and should be allowed without fear for retribution - not an airdrop because I was never airdropped HIVE, thereโs no tx about that) was wrong, and the censorship (and flagging) on steemit is wrong. Oh, and the way proxy.token initially returned to voting with a kingpin powerplay was pathetic. And the whole way the community has been played to ~~buy time~~ vote for the community was a hypocrite play of the highest level by some. As a user, ever since Feb 14 Iโve felt my only options were: 1. Canโt win 2. Lose Meanwhile, this ever worsening tribalism continues and nobody gives a flying eff about the actual users. Users who definitely not expected to join a platform which would freeze funds like banks and PayPal do nor would imagine an organized effective takeover. Core principles of what blockchain may mean to some. Not to mention the various methods of censorship. As a user... Iโm disgusted, disgusted being collateral damage. Hereโs hoping the feuds will soon end and both platforms will look only at themselves and improve their options and offerings. Otherwise you only chase us who are here because we believe in blockchain away, simple as. Nobody looks good in this. It was a shitshow of the highest degree.
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