Steemit Education Programme - What are Vests? by hisnameisolllie

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steem-help · @hisnameisolllie · (edited)
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Steemit Education Programme - What are Vests?
I have began working with @cass and a number of other users on a Steemit Educational Programme. We are all working on simplifying some of the more complex aspects of Steemit into an easy to understand guide. You can see @cass's work on this project [here](https://steemit.com/step/@cass/tbd-step-steem-education-program-ideas-welcome) and [here](https://steemit.com/education/@cass/step-steem-education-program-tokenization-infographic-or-revised-1)

**Consider this post a very small start to this project...**

Over the past few weeks, I’ve heard a number of users asking this question, but for many, there is still a lack of clarity on the topic. I’m going to attempt to simplify Vests, in a way that everyone can understand;

## This is how I understand Vests…

**What are Vests**
Steem Power is essentially Steem held in a fund. Vests are **Shares** in that fund.

http://i.imgsafe.org/c068dc8183.png
<a href='http://www.freepik.com/free-photo/piggybank-with-yellow-sunglasses_859337.htm'>Designed by Freepik</a>

## Further Explanation
I'm going to refrain for providing definitions on Steem, Steem Power, Steem Dollars, however if you would like to read a little more on these topics, I have posted previously [here](https://steemit.com/steem-help/@hisnameisolllie/steemit-the-economic-system-and-where-the-money-comes-from).

For every Steem Power that exists, a corresponding Steem exists. With Steem Power you have limited liquidity (you don’t have access to your underlying Steem immediately), and you have zero transferability (you cannot move Steem Power anywhere). In exchange for these limitations, users get rewards for there long term commitment to Steem(it) in the form of extra Steem Power.

This is similar to many financial instruments in the real world. There is often a trade-off between larger rewards, but diminishing **access** to your wealth.

Vests are shares in the Steem Power Fund. If a user takes no action on the Steemit Platform, his/her shares will remain static in quantity, just like shares in a financial fund. Also, like shares in a financial fund, the underlying asset base can change with new investor’s joining, other investors leaving, or fund performance being good, but non of these action change the amount of **shares** you hold in that fund…      

**How does you Vest balance Change**
* You can **Increase** your Vest’s balance by; Creation, Curation or Powering Up.. You could also be a Witness/Miner
* You can **Decrease** your Vest’s balance by Powering Down

Powering Up essentially creates new Vests. This action does not reduce the value of other users Vests, as the **share** creation is relative to the Steem investment.

Powering Down destroys Vests. This is an on going process at the moment with larger levels of Powering Down compared to powering up. Total Vests Decreased by [0.56%](https://steemit.com/steem-stats/@hisnameisolllie/steem-it-statistics-week-4) last week

**To find out how many Vests you have;**

www.steemd.com/@username

**Hope this helps**

Feel free to suggests amendments where you feel necessary. And look out for the following icon (designed by @cass) for follow up work on this project

http://i.imgsafe.org/c039a0cb69.png
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@vegascomic · 
More Steem Power makes more SP as well as SBD via your increased ability to influence when participating.  Cool beans, I can get my head around that.
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@smolalit ·
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I want to participate in your program, but I write in Russian (read in English) . Is that possible?
I can help the Russian-speaking community. I have translated several articles about the economy Steemit.
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@hisnameisolllie · 
I can see value in using your translation skills at the very least. I will let @cass know when I speak to him next. Assume your steemit.chat user name is the same as here..
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@smolalit · (edited)
Thank you! To me still difficult to chat , I can not translate very quickly)). But I am learning.
You allow me to make a translation of this article?
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@steembeast · 
i could do the GREEK translations.you can see here what i already did in GREEK,i created STEEMIT.GR just for educating reasons   https://steemit.com/steemit/@steembeast/steemit-gr-just-launched-steemit-com-s-little-brother
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@funnyman ·
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That was very good article about steem power and vests. I completely support steem education program. I think, there is still a huge need to promote steemit among poor or mid level people so that by sharing their life story, they can earn and can have good life for themselves.  This will not only increase quality content but also there will be huge growth in hiererachy  of steemit users.
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@breathe3000 · 
https://img1.steemit.com/0x0/http://i.giphy.com/26ufkSznvNQHt1q2Q.gif
UPVOTE. Steem on.
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@stephen-somers · 
I think all the time we are inVESTing in building Steemit will be rewarded handsomely
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@cryptomancer · 
Hah, I see what you did there.  ;-)
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@allmonitors · 
this is like D.A.R.E..awesome!
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@leksimus · (edited)
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So if we sit on our asses and do nothing (don't curate, and don't get payouts from posts) our VESTS stays the same but our steem power grows with platform growth (excluding what other users do)?
Did I get it?
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@hisnameisolllie · 
You got it @leksimus
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@leksimus · 
Then thank you for an excelent explanation. I think that we need a ​solid explanation on steem inflation connected to this education program.
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@etcmike ·
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Excellent post!  I have been waiting for a post that explained Vests better. 
Thank you, you educated me.

Another useful topic would be upvoting.  I do not think new users understand the limits on upvoting and its relationship to STEEM Power (and Vests).  I see a number of new users upvoting on a lot and depleting their voting power.   Curating does depend on a person's accumulated STEEM Power (and Vests) too.  Many minnows will school around a post only to have a bigger fish come in with an upvote to acquire a good portion of the curation rewards.  Having a big fish upvote does reward the author but it also diminishes curation rewards of the first person to recognize the post.  In the end it does come down to understanding curation, the 30 minute rule, and use of voting power (which diminishes with each upvote, especially after 20/day).   Not understanding the rules may frustrate and discourage first time users.

In the end good quality content should have its rewards.  Of course there is the 4 blog post per day limit too.  After which your rewards diminish.

New users should also be taught why the rules are in place.  For example, some  of the rules are in place to favor human users over bots.   Understanding why the rules are in place is important too.

Thanks again, and I too am a supporter of the STEEM Education Program.

Steem on,
Mike
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@hisnameisolllie · 
This is exactly what we need Mike. Thanks for your post!!!
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@etcmike · 
Thank you, I have been thinking about this a lot of the past few days.  When I get some time off, I plan to put together a few posts with many cross-links and accolades to other information posts found on SteemIt that new users may not be seeing.

Steem on,
Mike
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@layesmia ·
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Hey Mike, you have uttered my voice too. I have also vague idea about up voting as I am novice steemitian. Thanks.
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@etcmike ·
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I use https://www.steemworld.org/@layesmia to monitor my voting power.

Currently there is a 30 minute rule in place that you need to be aware of when upvoting.
* If you upvote before a post is one minute old, then all of your potential curation rewards go to the author of the post.
* If you upvote when a post is 15 minutes old, then half of your potential curation rewards go to the author of the post.
* If you upvote when a post is at least 30 minutes old, then you keep all of your potential curation rewards.

Have a great weekend!
Steem on,
Mike
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@burnin · 
Would it be correct to say that vests are STEEM Power's representation on the Blockchain? (Or vice versa?)
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@sompitonov · 
Very interesting project, I'll be watching you, and more interesting posmotet what happens, good luck to you
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@cryptomancer ·
$0.16
Great initiative and nice simple explanation of vests!  One of the problems with Steemit is that it does have a bit of a learning curve if you want to master the more subtle aspects of the platform, and you have to go hunting for that information.  It's not instantly accessible at your fingertips.  I've been a member of the Steemit community for just a few weeks now, and have spent a considerable amount of time searching around to get to the point where I now feel I have a basic level of competence with the platform.  Hopefully your work will ease the load a bit on those users yet to come!
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@hisnameisolllie · 
Exactly what @cass is trying to achieve with this project. Hopefully we can create a one-stop shop for Steemit Education..
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@fatboy · (edited)
$0.19
>Vests are shares in the Steem Power Fund. If a user takes no action on the >Steemit Platform, his/her shares will remain static in quantity, just like >shares in a financial fund.

Your "shares" stay the same, but if more people are joining fund grows bigger and your actual"share" of the fund is diluted. So your SP is diluted if you do nothing and if marketcap does not grow people actually lose money on SP.  I think a lot of people do not understand this part.
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@sraseef · 
You pointed out something.... Thanks
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@pagandance ·
$1.00
Very interesting to know. Thanks !
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@corason · 
damn 1$ for a single upvote?
thats pretty neat.
GIVE FREE UPVOTES.

sorry. (not sorry)
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@koningsbruggen · 
is this still the case?
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@fatboy · 
No, it is not
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@shreyasgune · 
One tricky question : When more people join the fund, doesn't it imply that market cap would be increasing because to join the fund you need to buy steam first ???
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@layesmia · 
I think it will do. It will contribute in mining of steem. FYKI 'steam' should be 'steem'. Thanks.
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@destbest ·
$1.10
No, this is not correct.
Your shares (VESTs) stay the same and if more people join, they add STEEM to the fund at the same time as they receive new shares (VESTs) so you don't get diluted.
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@hidromatic · 
Much needed info here thnx for the clarification lots of conflicting info here.
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@mkdouglas · 
You have just described share dilution! 

>When the number of shares outstanding increases, each existing stockholder owns a smaller, or diluted, percentage of the company, making each share less valuable. 

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dilution.asp
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@razvanelulmarin · 
nice!!! cass's designs are cool. Can anyone contribute?
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@hisnameisolllie ·
$0.03
Definitely. I will keep you in the loop. Still early days at the moment..
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@biophil · 
Nice. Have anything on voting power yet? I'm working on the ultimate voting power guide and I'd be interested in collaborating with you guys.
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@hisnameisolllie · (edited)
DM me with it once you have posted. Sure we can use your work (collaborate with you) @biophil :)
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@allasyummyfood · 
Awesome explantation, I didn't know too much about it. My next goal is 100 million :D
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@aenor · (edited)
$0.07
Can you also do a post explaining what rshares are? I saw in github that hard-fork #13 said that only accounts with rshares of 50 million counted towards votes. I notice on steemd, when you look at the value of votes for a post, it lists rshares - but I can't find an explanation of what they are.
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@hisnameisolllie · 
I will get that done @aenor
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@ejosev · 
I think one crucial piece of information is missing: What is the ratio STEEM(SP) to vests when powering up/down?
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@linkback-bot-v0 · 
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@bonitaxm · 
everything that help the community, specially the new users , will help them to take action on curating activities and all what is needed to make Steemit stronger. Thanks for this project!
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@felibaudino · 
I am happy that I found this post.
It was driving me nuts not to find what Vests meant
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@charles268 · 
por fin lo encuentro jeje lo busque tanto
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@colinbrazendale · 
Where do the vests come from when I power up from blocktrades? Is this from people selling their vests to me?
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@thaiprincess · 
Very helpful and easy to understand as well.

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@mudcat36 · 
That's so much clearer. Thank you for your explanation and it's definitely confirmed my commitment to never power down. Steem on.
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@canadianmgtow · 
According to https://steemd.com/@canadianmgtow  I have 4580 Vested.  I have no idea if 4580 is tiny or big?   Some milestone numbers and their meanings would really be useful, and not just a vague promise of 'growing shares'
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@freedomno1 · (edited)
$0.21
https://steemit.com/interest/@sigmajin/understanding-the-steem-economic-system-vests-sbd-steem-dilution-interest-and-all-those-crazy-things
Bascially steem grew your vests tripled worth more on powerdown
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@afm007 · 
Thanks for the answer I looking for.
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@steelsteemit · 
Nice explanation. Could understand better.... Thanks ..Pls send links to your new articles.... Thanks!!!
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@soyrosa · 
This post is why I think some upvote rewards should be possible even a year after posting! You've explained something to me I didn't understand yet, and now complete do :-) Thanks!
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@futuremind · 
This was the only post that was able to give me an integral understanding of vests. Thank you for posting
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@layesmia · 
I have found this content through googling the term 'Vests'. I am 100% clear now about it. tnx.
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