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@andrewmarkmusic ·
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Good talk! 
The primary enemy of all of us is this monological corporate nation-state vision that is being forced onto civilization on a worldwide scale. And that is Biblical in scope...
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@aagabriel ·
What if there is no primary enemy? 
What if it's actually us and each other? It certainly seems like it. "You are your own worst enemy." 

*Society is full of people who think and act like that without even realising it!*
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@andrewmarkmusic ·
Sure, as long as you want to deny reality. When Exxon poisoned the Arctic and the Gulf coast that wasn't them according to your philosophy. 
When people in Bhopal India were chemically poisoned to death it wasn't Union-Carbide who did it. 
Do you also argue for getting rid of Law Courts totally, too, as no one, it seems to me, is guilty under your metaphysics--except for humans in general, of course--which is where the archons always lay the blame.
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@taskmaster4450 ·
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This is a fantastic write up of what many of us feel.  The desire to just be left alone and live as we see fit.

It is, of course, at odds with the control mechanisms that are in place.  Politics is the great destroyer and they do a good job getting people to buy in.  It is all about violence, at every level.
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@aagabriel ·
How does Justice welcome those who denied it to you? 
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@kennyskitchen ·
The question seems a little strangely worded. However, the first things that come to mind are empathy/understanding & forgiveness.

By putting ourselves in the place of another, especially their trauma & conditioning, it becomes much easier to understand **why** they act/speak in the ways that they do.

From that place of understanding, and connecting with their human-ness, it becomes much easier to forgive for the harm they've caused.
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@kennyskitchen ·
It certainly is at odds with the old paradigm control systems, but I think that is far less important to how naturally it comes to us. Everywhere we look, the spontaneous order of humans talking/living/being close to those they are more aligned with plays out.

I think it all comes back to two key lessons/consciousness shifts:
1. The concept of personal responsibility. Both in a moral sense, and in a creating-your-experience sense.
2. The concept that it is wrong to violate/coerce others.

With those two things in place, it seems like the rest of the societal training would be rapidly [relatively speaking] dissolved in someone's consciousness.
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@valued-customer · (edited)
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@honeybee posted an opportunity to discuss anarchist policy regarding pandemic response, and I noted that our personal responsibility best enables society to respond to this specific threat.  If everyone took action proactively themselves to secure their persons and property from pandemic threats, we'd all be self-quarantined already, no longer touch public surfaces without first wiping them down with bleach, and no longer greet one another by hugging, kissing, or shaking hands.  By taking personal responsibility we'd quickly drop the R0 of this virus below 1 and end this pandemic.

Statists glued to the official fake news will not be alerted to the existential reality, and will not be prompted to take nominal action to prevent spread of the disease, necessitating brutal state quarantines and imposition of totalitarian despotism that will disrupt society needlessly and with extreme prejudice.  As a result, many statists will lose their lives, property, and freedom.

This is an opportunity to transcend the present statist paradigm, and enable folks capable of reason to adopt personal responsibility to secure themselves.

Thanks!
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@aagabriel ·
> Statists glued to the official fake news will not be alerted to the existential reality, 

Statists wait, and rue the wisdom of hindsight when the state invariably treats them like the child they were groomed into being. The government should not raise you or anyone!

> **This is an opportunity to transcend the present statist paradigm, and enable folks capable of reason to adopt personal responsibility to secure themselves.**

Yes, i've thought similar but not in terms of transcending or opportunity. Moreso in terms of jamming, short-circuiting and deprogramming. 
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@kennyskitchen ·
Yep, as usual personal responsibility solves the problem quick & easy.

And certainly, the control systems don't want people to take that responsibility; they want people to beg for help, and open the doors to these facial recognition drones and such that China is pushing out.

Honestly, looking at the death rates for Corona, with basically anyone who's not a "boomer" (and not immune-compromised) effectively safe... Sure seems like a good way to shift their "voter" base from folks who remember personal responsibility to 100% snowflake generation :-/
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@valued-customer ·
It is fairly easy for folks to test their foolishness.  It's basically one question, if it's honestly answered: do I have an opinion on any subject I know nothing about?  If the answer is yes, you are a fool.

There is a constant drumbeat of the young agitating against the old.  It was ancient when I was young, observed by Plato.  What young folks do not grasp when they disparage the aged is that the aged were young once, and their attitudes have changed from those they held in their youth due to their experience.  Given their lack of experience, the young are baffled by this attitudinal disagreement with their youthful enthusiasm and willingness to adopt radical and unproven ideas.

The aged boomers have done this, and learned from that mistake.  Insofar as boomers are the primary targets of this pandemic, the world will suffer a loss of experience that will be irreplacable during this crisis, and that will leave our youth existentially vulnerable to political manipulation they have no ability to understand.

As a boomer relatively likely to suffer the worst consequences of this pathogen due to comorbidities, it is my hope that far more factually based and reasonable young are paying close attention to ongoing events than I think are.  My only purpose in living at this point is to empower such people to best enjoy the blessings of liberty and prosperity.  In the event, which seems likely, of my swift demise, I shall be unavailable to provide such assistance as my life experience enables me to provide, and that is what most disturbs me about my eventual passing from this world.

Youths that denigrate experience deserve what they get.  Sadly, their mistakes will harm others, who do not deserve that fate.  For any that might be reading these words and sympathizing with youth derogating boomers, I urge you to resist peer pressure and apply reason and factual knowledge to the best of your abilities.

Thanks!
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@aagabriel · (edited)
Detailed and thorough post here, giving me a lot to chew over in my bedraggled state. I'll respond by quoting phrases or ideas of yours that elicited a reaction in me. 

> **"...just how often politics ends up coming between people who (from my POV) are clearly working towards the same ends..**
> https://66.media.tumblr.com/dffccdea2bb7d3d9dd3bdfb982e7e694/tumblr_nnl3inPfgy1ss6ffzo1_500.jpg
> *By working against each other despite trying to work towards the same end, we both have our individual problems synthesized into the same solution. A solution not for us, but for those above.* 

***
* No more nation-states in physical reality, and no more state as a culturally acceptable concept of human organization.
> *Statism is an illusion for the undecided or those unwilling to be the arbiters of their own fate.*
*  No more banks in physical reality, and no more usury as a culturally acceptable form of interaction.
> *Usury enacted via an immaterial value being imbued into currency is inhuman*
*  No more war, or any other form of mass murder.
> *Justice before violence, battles before war, love before spite, plenty before wealth*
* No more people assaulting & abusing children.
> *Mind Control and learned helplessness enacted upon the youth is punishable by collective, formal edict. No wanton creation of pastimes or polluting media that exists for the sole purpose of corrupting youth. Yes DnD is fine, so is rock music.. I mean shit like #elsagate and "Big Mouth" cartoon series*
*  No more factory farming, toxic fertilizers/pesticides/herbicides, and rampant food waste.
> *Starve the factory farm by learning permaculture and how to feed yourself off the land. Never starve again.*

### Achieving Anarchy
I'd simplify all that: 
![image.png](https://files.steempeak.com/file/steempeak/aagabriel/JTAgWSWv-image.png)


>**"We're going through the most amazing & magnificent paradigm shift that humanity has ever seen"**

I'm not so sure about that as I did not experience all the forevers of what humanity had seen previously. But I do support this sentiment, to an extent.[Paradigm Shift](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/paradigm-shift) seems to be pretty narrowly defined compared to the way you used the phrase. All the Utopian-Tech examples stated to prove this epoch-defining paradigm shift for humanity doesn't have much to do with humanity at all in my opinion. 

Sure, it could be all those things. Utopian Tech to Solve hunger, supply the lack of basic necessities, ensure a cleaner world for upcoming generations to enjoy and protect for their own upcoming generation. It should be like this but the rhetorical question remains: How will it become all those things? How can the opportunity for a continuously improving future on Earth be enforced and promised, not just flirted with and written about?

Your second paragraph resonates with me far more. I can read between the lines where words will not fit, to get the gist of it: loud and clear. However the "old paradigm" doesn't play fair. It wont respect any peaceful, positive internally-focused attempts to make peace - it will exploit it. Overrule the kindness and turn it against us. 

*This is where I think of justice, and the role of a terrorist (formerly known as "Freedom Fighter")* 


* *Where have you seen consensus work or not work before?*

I've seen it work effectively here, amongst my immediate family members and within groups I care to be in and contribute to. 
I've not seen consensus work in democratic federal and state-based electoral ballots/votes. 
Nor in pathologically competitive environments. 
Nor in public arenas or virtual spaces overall. 


* *How many fictional worlds have you read/watched where these fundamentals were actually different from the "real world?*

Not sure why would you refer to fictional worlds for your reader to find a parallel to what your ethos proposes. They are fictional for a reason, a myriad of different reasons but the main reasons that stick out to me are because they are *idealistic, novel & fantastical.*

* *I'm feeling more and more that stories, mythology, fiction is really the key to the wide-spread change of mind that we need.*

OK, this is intriguing to me. I can envisage hidden history, etymology and non-fiction being of the same spiritual benefit to the emancipation of our minds as your 3 examples. 

That was fun :-) 
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@kennyskitchen ·
Wowza... that's a lot of response :-)

I'll try to go through piece by piece. It does seem like your quote formatting is off a bit in a couple places, but here we go:

It is interesting how you took this to the problem-reaction-solution place; I was actually referring just to interpersonal politics, the kind that shows up everyone, and not the state/corporate kind. Certainly there is overlap, and people begin to get trained into those ways of responding to things.

*Statism, Usury, War, Child Abuse, Farming:* Yep, sounds like we're on [at least close to] the same page.

> *I'm not so sure about that as I did not experience all the forevers of what humanity had seen previously. But I do support this sentiment, to an extent.*

True, we (actually separately you & I) have literally no way of knowing anything at all about experience before our lives, or even during our lives but outside our personal sphere. Everything is just people's stories, filtered through their biases, beliefs, traumas, and incentives. **However**, we do all get to choose the beliefs that we hold, and those beliefs shape our experience moving forward. It is for that reason (and many data-based reasons) that I choose to hold this belief.

> *Paradigm Shift seems to be pretty narrowly defined compared to the way you used the phrase.*

True. When I use the term, I specifically mean the shift from control/fear paradigm to liberty/love paradigm.

> *All the Utopian-Tech examples stated to prove this epoch-defining paradigm shift for humanity doesn't have much to do with humanity at all in my opinion.*

I see the tech/science changes coming along (3d printing, alternative energies, open source, permaculture, etc.) to not be the cause of humanity's shift, but rather inevitable changes that weaken many of the old control system's key pillars. If the masses aren't dependent on a few middle-men for food, shelter, manufacturing... then they've lost some level of their control, even absent any moral/ethical changes in the masses (though those are happening too.)

> *How can the opportunity for a continuously improving future on Earth be enforced and promised*

Well, I certainly don't want it enforced, as I'm not in favor of force. However, it seems to me that when drastic technological changes happen, they seem to push out into society, and culture just has to adapt. Really, the best way for these things to spread is for individuals to dedicate themselves to it, as with anything else.

> *Your second paragraph resonates with me far more. I can read between the lines where words will not fit, to get the gist of it: loud and clear. However the "old paradigm" doesn't play fair. It wont respect any peaceful, positive internally-focused attempts to make peace - it will exploit it. Overrule the kindness and turn it against us*

First, I think it's important to remember that in a physical sense, the old paradigm is just a couple thousand (at most) people making rules that the masses live by unknowingly. Without soldiers choosing to act immorally for money, the old system collapses in seconds.

There seems to be a clear shift in consciousness, pre-indicated by the astrologies/calendars of the ancient Indians, Mayans, and many more. I don't see any way that a few bullies who've been running things can possibly stop (or even significantly slow) the change that Earth and humanity are going through.

**Consensus**
> *I've seen it work effectively here, amongst my immediate family members and within groups I care to be in and contribute to.*

Exactly, and this is really the highest level that it needs to exist, because decisions shouldn't be made outside of Dunbar's number (imo)

> *I've not seen consensus work in democratic federal and state-based electoral ballots/votes.*

It's not attempted. Democracy is nearly the opposite of consensus.

In consensus, 10 of us sit down to decide something. After a few hours there are 2-3 different groups wanting to take different approaches. So, we keep discussing until there is one agreed upon (or at least not "blocked") course of action, and we follow it.

In democracy, those same 10 people sit down to decide something. As soon as a "majority" agrees on a course of action, the rest no longer have an opinion that matters, and have to go along with the *will of the majority.*

> *Nor in pathologically competitive environments.*

Cooperation & consensus are kind of the opposite end of the spectrum from hyper competitiveness, so it makes sense they wouldn't overlap much.

> *Nor in public arenas or virtual spaces overall.*

I don't know what a public arena is, it sounds like where gladiators fight. Virtual spaces seem like they would act almost identically to physical spaces with the same rules/community.

> *Not sure why would you refer to fictional worlds for your reader to find a parallel to what your ethos proposes.*

Because, the stories we've told/read/experienced are what define our sense of the possible. If one grows up in a statist society, and all the stories they are told either happen in the same world or a more dystopian one, then their imagination has no basis for what something different looks like. I am quite sure that my own open-mindedness, dedication to principles & ethics, and ability to see so many potential futures is almost entirely a result of the massive amounts of fiction I read as a child.

> *They are fictional for a reason, a myriad of different reasons but the main reasons that stick out to me are because they are idealistic, novel & fantastical.*

That's not necessarily true. Much of the very best fiction is quite believable, that's what makes it so engrossing. And certainly in my experience, the great writers (Heinlein, Le Guin, Banks, McLeod, Tolkien, etc) are able to share their ideals, show them in places, and still create worlds/characters/stories that are every bit as flawed & ever-changing as anyone you might meet on the street.

> *OK, this is intriguing to me. I can envisage hidden history, etymology and non-fiction being of the same spiritual benefit to the emancipation of our minds as your 3 examples.*

Right. It's all about stories. The stories you have in your head help set the boundaries of your experience. If someone has read *1984* & *Brave New World*, watched *Hunger Games* & *Logan's Run*, but has never explored a [fictional] world where voluntaryism/anarchism is the foundation, or even where things just head more in the direction of liberty... they're going to have a hard time helping create that world.

Thanks for dropping in :-)
Looking forward to discussing further.
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You've hit the nail on the head! I think we all need to sit back and see where you can find common ground and start building a real alternative together and stop listen to this divided and conqure BS. Great work as always 💯🐒
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