HF20 Optimal Curation Time Changed to 15m, Instead of 30m by krnel

steemit · @krnel · Oct 4 '18 (edited)

$11.71

HF20 Optimal Curation Time Changed to 15m, Instead of 30m

When you curate a post by upvoting it, there is an optimal time to get the most curation rewards. Prior to HardFork 20, that time was 30 minutes after a post was made. After HardFork20 that has changed to 15 minutes after a post was made. The github issue for this change is (#1878](https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/1878).

<img src="https://i.imgur.com/SD2HhfI.jpg" />

Curators/upvoters can potentially get 25% of the total rewards a post earns. The most SP and vote weight you apply on a post, the more potential curation rewards you can get. 

The way this worked before was that if you upvoted right after a post was made and you weren't the author, you would get no curation rewards, as all the curation rewards you could have gotten were given to the author. As the 30 minute mark approached after a post was made, you would get more and more of the potential curation rewards from other people voting after you with their SP applied. You got the most curation reward potential at 30 minutes and after, with respect to people voting later on with SP to the post. If everyone voted after 30 minutes, the author would get 75% of the post rewards, and the curators would et the 25% divided among them in proportion to the SP and vote weight applied.

After HF20, this has changed. Instead of 30 minutes, it's now 15 minutes. This is the best time to vote to maximize curation reward potential. When other people vote still factors in. If everyone voted at 14 minutes or earlier, and you were the only one to vote at 15 minutes or later, then you would get less curation rewards than if you voted just before them at 13 minutes. But in general, voting near the 15 minute mark is the best way to try to maximize your curation rewards on a post.

I hope this knowledge of the change can help some people change their voting behavior to get more rewards, if they didn't already know. There is no longer a need to wait to upvote around the 30 minute mark post-HF20. Upvote near the 15 minute mark and it will do the same thing as prior to HF20.

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@fracasgrimm · Oct 3 '18

I like 13..

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

Yes, 13 will bring you all the riches in the world on Steem :P

👍 fracasgrimm

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@enjoywithtroy · Oct 3 '18

I did not know that you are educating me and for that I'm grateful.  Thanks to you I will change my voting behavior when I can.  Blessings @krnel

👍 stevescoins

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

Koo, glad to help.

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@elizahfhaye · Oct 3 '18

This will be much better than the 30m curation time esp to those so active in steemit. It will encourage us to be more active in this platform.🤗

👍 elizahfhaye

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

Yup, you can more easily upvote as you go through content without worrying about not getting as much curation rewards ;)

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@konelectric · Oct 3 '18

$0.36

Upvoted at the 15 minite mark. I should of upvoted before I read your post.

👍 konelectric, cheneats

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

$0.02

Good job ;)

👍 konelectric

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@nonsowrites · Oct 3 '18

I read about this new change. I also heard any vote before 15 turns to dust. How true is this?

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

No, that's not true.

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@manorvillemike · Oct 3 '18

You made this very understandable for me and that ain't easy.  :-)

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

Haha :P

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@builderofcastles · Oct 3 '18

$0.05

This is different from what i have heard from others.

It is not like before, just changed from 30 to 15 minutes.

Before, it was earlier, more reward went to the author.
Now, it is that portion goes to the rewards pool.
And i haven't found anyone that is certain whether it is a sliding scale from 0-15 minutes.

👍 edicted, stevescoins

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@edicted · Oct 3 '18

Seems like a really easy thing to test.  Unfortunately, I never completely my curation tracker because the dumb dumbs at Steemit INC don't include block information inside the Discussion object.

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

The curation curve doesn't get sent to the author, it goes back into the reward pool it seems. It's not like before completely indeed.

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@stevescoins · Oct 3 '18

extremely off topic, but I was hoping you would pimp this writing contest for me
https://steemit.com/halloween/@stevescoins/halloween-2018-open-medium-contest-20-shares-steembasicincome-as-prize

Let me know if you regard this as spam, and I'll remove or change the comment ;>

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@mimismartypants · Oct 3 '18

Awesome info!!! Thanks for the heads up!! I will definitely be smarter with my voting behavior!! 

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

Glad to help ;)

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@mimismartypants · Oct 5 '18

Strategy is already paying off!! Although, Do you think 14 mins would be too soon?? I notice a small influx before i get there on 15!!

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@mrme1984 · Oct 3 '18

$0.13

Nice update , i didn't know it's like that now

👍 bankthecrypto, cryptotrader84, mrme1984

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

Knowing is half the battle ;)

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@edicted · Oct 3 '18

$0.09

The real question is: why?  Curation needs to be eliminated.  Why is Steemit Inc dicking around wasting time changing the algorithm when it would be completely deleted?

This has been a known fact since vote-buying became common practice.  Curation means nothing when votes can be bought. 

I will continue to push towards eliminating curation in it's current form and transitioning to a system where rebloggers get the reward. 

To give whales the power of curation is to assume that whales are better at judging content than someone else with less stake.  What an asinine assumption!

👍 solarwarrior, edicted, krnel

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@tonygreene113 · Oct 3 '18

!popcorn for the show!

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@popcornexpress · Oct 3 '18

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmTVVu47eysUbvfUmsdCk35KaPwzBQHQ54auESX3BUPT6C/2d5.gif)

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

$0.04

Why does curation need to be removed? People would be less motivated to even vote at all :P Vote buying does make it less a measure of what is actually valued indeed. Only the pure who care to value content would continue without curation rewards, so I'm not against it :) The reason SP was used was because of Sybil attacks and greatly gaming the system otherwise. I hate the concentration of power involved though, I've been vocal against it in the past.

👍 edicted

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@edicted · Oct 5 '18

Let's say you are a whale with a $20 upvote.  Let's also say you run a vote buying/selling service.  You can upvote yourself for $20, and you can buy votes from your own service.  The majority of the curation for the bought votes will flow into your pocket, and you can charge a premium for your service as well, paying vote sellers 85 cents on the dollar. 

The more stake someone has, the easier it is to manipulate the mechanics of curation. 

I don't understand the reasoning behind, "People would be less motivated to even vote."  It makes no sense.  Why would they be upvoting other people at all then?  Why not just upvote yourself if all you care about is the reward?  How is 25% curation any different than simply upvoting yourself once every 4 votes?

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3 replies

@azfix · Oct 3 '18

If I like content I just vote for it at anytime like it should be. Screw waiting on the timer, if its good its good no matter what time. To hell with trying to optimize profit, it turns us all into little fking drones!

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

I agree. Vote when you want. I hardly ever get to content early and am always voting after most ppl.

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@vladontheblock · Oct 3 '18

So basically whatever calculations one was doing regarding the reward he was giving away (eg. voting at 20min mark meaning you get 2/3 of the reward) are simply halved.  Pretty straightforward.

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

It was an exponential degradation, so 15-20 minutes was about midway, yet 25 and 30 were pretty close, like 0 and 5m were pretty close as well.

👍 vladontheblock

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@practicalthought · Oct 3 '18

Thanks for explaining. I always waited 15 minutes, so nothing will change for me. In fact, if the piece was exceptional I would vote it in under 15 not caring about my sliver of reward as a thank you for the time to put it together from the author.

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@krnel · Oct 5 '18

Ah, ahead of the game you are ;)

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