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Great detective work. The trick is coming to consensus and agreement on what should be done about it. There are many different opinions on the motivational psychology and game theory aspects in play here, and it's not at all clear what the most ideal system is. Things will always be exploited, and those who care will always have to stay ahead of the arms race to do something about it. There was once <a href="https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/279">an idea (which got rejected)</a> to allow some users to negate other users. Maybe we need something like this to stop abuse? Maybe a downvote bot we can easily use and more readily-accessible reports about payouts on posts with low view counts?
post_id | 17,895,051 |
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author | lukestokes |
permlink | re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171116t211813972z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "links": ["https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/279"], "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-16 21:18:12 |
last_update | 2017-11-16 21:18:12 |
depth | 1 |
children | 45 |
net_rshares | 939,919,149,082 |
last_payout | 2017-11-23 21:18:12 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 1.628 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.385 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 703 |
author_reputation | 395,063,281,398,324 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
lovejoy | 0 | 4,832,940,743 | 100% | ||
mrs.agsexplorer | 0 | 2,865,863,275 | 0.4% | ||
pnc | 0 | 3,688,069,160 | 1% | ||
teamsteem | 0 | 177,418,006,978 | 1% | ||
intelliguy | 0 | 180,634,169,243 | 100% | ||
dtbahoney | 0 | 272,246,685 | 100% | ||
lauralemons | 0 | 52,223,624 | 0.5% | ||
hitmeasap | 0 | 129,508,946 | 0.5% | ||
demotruk | 0 | 51,014,518,506 | 100% | ||
bitcoiner | 0 | 4,213,968,711 | 1% | ||
lamech-m | 0 | 142,613,003 | 1% | ||
mattclarke | 0 | 393,534,210,591 | 51% | ||
ryn | 0 | 25,323,097,923 | 100% | ||
greenstar | 0 | 493,161,880 | 1% | ||
newsandviews | 0 | 446,283,457 | 100% | ||
natra | 0 | 199,593,412 | 0.5% | ||
cryptotem | 0 | 57,441,523,033 | 100% | ||
globalvanguard | 0 | 11,449,327,121 | 100% | ||
steemreports | 0 | 24,587,529,229 | 100% | ||
turymenecier | 0 | 75,986,162 | 30% | ||
kranzdylan2 | 0 | 1,104,307,400 | 100% |
Yes, more open access for whales to countering bots would go a long way. It's one thing to be expensing SP to fight abuse it's another to spend so much time clicking little flags manually. @personz has done something great but it's still not convenient enough for non-tech savvy people to use.
post_id | 17,895,391 |
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author | transisto |
permlink | re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171116t212316469z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "users": ["personz"], "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-16 21:23:18 |
last_update | 2017-11-16 21:23:18 |
depth | 2 |
children | 33 |
net_rshares | 271,280,037,278 |
last_payout | 2017-11-23 21:23:18 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.444 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.136 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 294 |
author_reputation | 331,131,121,482,590 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
mrs.agsexplorer | 0 | 2,865,863,275 | 0.4% | ||
pnc | 0 | 3,688,069,160 | 1% | ||
teamsteem | 0 | 177,418,401,725 | 1% | ||
lauralemons | 0 | 52,223,624 | 0.5% | ||
hitmeasap | 0 | 129,508,946 | 0.5% | ||
bitcoiner | 0 | 4,213,968,711 | 1% | ||
lamech-m | 0 | 142,613,003 | 1% | ||
tarazkp | 0 | 28,998,395,314 | 8% | ||
ryn | 0 | 25,829,559,881 | 100% | ||
greenstar | 0 | 493,161,880 | 1% | ||
newsandviews | 0 | 446,283,457 | 100% | ||
natra | 0 | 199,593,412 | 0.5% | ||
steemreports | 0 | 24,099,035,271 | 100% | ||
neuromancer | 0 | 2,633,218,547 | 100% | ||
turymenecier | 0 | 70,141,072 | 30% |
I'm thinking communicating better with our whales from Steemit, Inc. would be best. Something like how when you get a comment reply, and it notifies you.... Once or twice a month, Steemit, Inc could put an alert on their GUI which needs to be read, which talks about "issues" such as this, and makes recommendations. Socially, we're all confused on what is right and wrong. It's easy to find the obvious wrongs, but some of these services which are well intentioned do abuse the system. For instance, maybe we need a hardfork which says, steem power delegation can't be used to upvote the same user more than once per 24 hour period. That would slow down some of the self-upvotes, and upvotes of your "other" accounts. Do either of those resound as possible short term solutions? The reason why this exists, is that it's a difficult problem. sigh.
post_id | 17,897,360 |
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author | intelliguy |
permlink | re-transisto-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171116t220147957z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-16 22:01:45 |
last_update | 2017-11-16 22:01:45 |
depth | 3 |
children | 14 |
net_rshares | 26,089,610,845 |
last_payout | 2017-11-23 22:01:45 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.049 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.004 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 855 |
author_reputation | 62,293,745,530,431 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
riseofth | 0 | 438,287,782 | 100% | ||
steemreports | 0 | 23,122,047,354 | 100% | ||
neuromancer | 0 | 2,529,275,709 | 100% |
Your proposed hardfork sounds interesting, but it sounds difficult to implement unfortunately.
post_id | 17,898,213 |
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author | steemreports |
permlink | re-intelliguy-re-transisto-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171116t221714790z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-16 22:17:12 |
last_update | 2017-11-16 22:17:12 |
depth | 4 |
children | 6 |
net_rshares | 67,371,663,123 |
last_payout | 2017-11-23 22:17:12 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.135 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.007 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 94 |
author_reputation | 26,984,297,179,214 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
intelliguy | 0 | 67,371,663,123 | 39% |
Restrictions such as this will always be circumvent in some way or another. You can't get something out of someone by making roadblocks. To change someone's behaviour you have to make the other legit options more attractive.
post_id | 17,898,828 |
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author | snowflake |
permlink | re-intelliguy-re-transisto-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171116t222837827z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-16 22:28:39 |
last_update | 2017-11-16 22:28:51 |
depth | 4 |
children | 4 |
net_rshares | 48,314,707,914 |
last_payout | 2017-11-23 22:28:39 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.091 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.010 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 226 |
author_reputation | 33,282,981,394,546 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
riseofth | 0 | 428,095,043 | 100% | ||
tarazkp | 0 | 23,214,892,268 | 6% | ||
steemreports | 0 | 22,633,553,396 | 100% | ||
fishyculture | 0 | 2,038,167,207 | 100% |
So essentially an abuser has to create 10 accounts (total 60SP or about $270 delegated SP and 2SP) then just spread votes amongst them. If they have the knowledge to abuse the delegation system then they have this knowledge already. A hard fork is not always the answer. At least not one that is trivially circumvented by the bad actors
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author | netuoso | ||||||
permlink | re-intelliguy-re-transisto-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171117t001233747z | ||||||
category | steem | ||||||
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "tags": ["steem"]}" | ||||||
created | 2017-11-17 00:12:33 | ||||||
last_update | 2017-11-17 00:12:33 | ||||||
depth | 4 | ||||||
children | 1 | ||||||
net_rshares | 0 | ||||||
last_payout | 2017-11-24 00:12:33 | ||||||
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 | ||||||
total_payout_value | 0.000 SBD | ||||||
curator_payout_value | 0.000 SBD | ||||||
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD | ||||||
promoted | 0.000 SBD | ||||||
body_length | 338 | ||||||
author_reputation | 118,092,474,323,969 | ||||||
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" | ||||||
beneficiaries |
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max_accepted_payout | 0.000 SBD | ||||||
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
What about a discord chat where users can post plagiarism/low quality posts/socs > mods will review and delete false reports and give a comment on the post > whales downvote the post > if mods made a mistake then user will appeal in the chat > higher mods will check it What do you think? We can also make bots to route whale downvotes. I mean, discord bots.
post_id | 17,902,425 |
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author | littleboy |
permlink | re-transisto-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171116t233909127z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-16 23:39:15 |
last_update | 2017-11-17 00:12:42 |
depth | 3 |
children | 8 |
net_rshares | 411,107,144 |
last_payout | 2017-11-23 23:39:15 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 360 |
author_reputation | 198,507,892,119,261 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
riseofth | 0 | 411,107,144 | 100% |
What @transisto described above does not involve plagiarism. We have SteemCleaners handling that well already and they have channels where you can file reports. That hasn't been the main area of abuse for a long time now, largely because there is community consensus that something like SC is needed and worthy of support. What he's talking about in this post is spamming and sockpuppetry, which have been much harder to address. There's never been any clear consensus about whether/where to draw a line on the latter.
post_id | 17,903,954 |
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author | donkeypong |
permlink | re-littleboy-re-transisto-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171117t000813743z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "users": ["transisto"], "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-17 00:08:15 |
last_update | 2017-11-17 00:08:15 |
depth | 4 |
children | 7 |
net_rshares | 260,320,800,317 |
last_payout | 2017-11-24 00:08:15 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.419 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.138 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 518 |
author_reputation | 432,071,435,263,440 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
enki | 0 | 70,159,659,130 | 1.5% | ||
lukestokes | 0 | 139,698,772,979 | 5% | ||
deveerei | 0 | 50,462,368,208 | 100% |
So it turn out that @freedom might be more about money than freedom after all and thus something like @free-doom might have been more appropriate. Interestingly a lot of [clues](https://steemit.com/steemit/@paulag/unmasking-freedom-what-the-data-can-tell-us-steemit-business-intelligence) seems to point to Steemit Inc as being the possible owner of @freedom, not that these clues prove this but strongly suggest so. I had noticed @freedom delegating his SP to some vote sellers earlier this week. I'd say this is a huge issue. I was in favor of Dan's idea from the very beginning and I'm still am. I also think that a none linear reward curve would benefit Steem. It might seems conterintuitive to think that none linear reward could help on this matter but in the long run I think it would. None linear reward incentives people not to split their votes and SP. It also create a strong incentive for people not to sell their Steem. The price of Steem should in theory increase as the number of users increase and even more so if reward curve is greater than linear. All of this incentivize people to empower one another more directly with votes creating more meaningful connections overtime as opposed to the current situation where people are incentivize to lease their SP as much as possible. Dan has shared very valuable insights on the subject in his post "[Evil Whales](https://steemit.com/steem/@dantheman/evil-whales)", more precisely under the title "The value of Consensus" and "Curation Reward".
post_id | 17,904,280 |
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author | teamsteem |
permlink | re-transisto-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171117t001332728z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "users": ["freedom", "free-doom"], "links": ["https://steemit.com/steemit/@paulag/unmasking-freedom-what-the-data-can-tell-us-steemit-business-intelligence", "https://steemit.com/steem/@dantheman/evil-whales"], "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-17 00:13:30 |
last_update | 2017-11-17 00:21:42 |
depth | 3 |
children | 8 |
net_rshares | 850,853,740,457 |
last_payout | 2017-11-24 00:13:30 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 1.590 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.236 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 1,517 |
author_reputation | 284,009,804,791,421 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
mrs.agsexplorer | 0 | 2,865,863,275 | 0.4% | ||
pnc | 0 | 3,688,069,160 | 1% | ||
teamsteem | 0 | 177,418,401,725 | 1% | ||
dtbahoney | 0 | 266,604,267 | 100% | ||
lauralemons | 0 | 52,223,624 | 0.5% | ||
hitmeasap | 0 | 129,508,946 | 0.5% | ||
ausbitbank | 0 | 494,936,594,630 | 4% | ||
lamech-m | 0 | 142,613,003 | 1% | ||
lyndsaybowes | 0 | 96,342,999,228 | 9% | ||
battleaxe | 0 | 1,268,580,211 | 2% | ||
ryn | 0 | 24,816,635,964 | 100% | ||
greenstar | 0 | 493,161,880 | 1% | ||
jassennessaj | 0 | 2,945,138,209 | 100% | ||
natra | 0 | 199,593,412 | 0.5% | ||
sircork | 0 | 812,158,859 | 100% | ||
cryptotem | 0 | 12,059,546,272 | 21% | ||
thinknzombie | 0 | 2,506,643,386 | 1.2% | ||
steemreports | 0 | 23,936,203,951 | 100% | ||
neuromancer | 0 | 2,598,570,934 | 100% | ||
shello | 0 | 1,030,620,613 | 100% | ||
turymenecier | 0 | 70,141,072 | 30% | ||
jatinhota | 0 | 1,300,322,897 | 100% | ||
teknow | 0 | 973,544,939 | 100% |
Yeah I was looking into that @freedom account a week or so ago and I agree with you. It must be an in-house owned account. If not directly owned by the high ups it was given access to exist and feed from the beginning by the high ups. SMTs have no hope of ever becoming mainstream when this crap exists. What do they think, that people are going to blindly throw money in and not exercise due diligence. Some might yeah... but a fool and their money are easily parted. Anyone or any entity looking to invest in steem will not proceed when there are issues such as these. The players that do proceed will simply follow the same greed routine. Thus destroy the system even more. Ned needs a good rubber chicken slap to the face.. Wake the fuck up @ned.
post_id | 17,910,196 |
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author | teknow |
permlink | re-teamsteem-re-transisto-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171117t030342462z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "users": ["freedom", "ned"], "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-17 02:02:27 |
last_update | 2017-11-17 02:02:27 |
depth | 4 |
children | 4 |
net_rshares | 51,213,597,189 |
last_payout | 2017-11-24 02:02:27 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.082 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.025 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 752 |
author_reputation | 123,342,035,456 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
frankbacon | 0 | 939,363,247 | 5% | ||
riseofth | 0 | 455,275,681 | 100% | ||
cryptick | 0 | 8,662,699,265 | 100% | ||
laylahsophia | 0 | 41,156,258,996 | 100% |
HardF***k 19 , yeah that really did a lot of good right? Interesting connections @teamsteem a lot of people talk off the cuff and don't seem to realize that much like "The WIzard of Oz" there is a lot of bullshit behind the curtains
post_id | 17,983,754 |
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author | battleaxe |
permlink | re-teamsteem-re-transisto-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171117t201620023z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "users": ["teamsteem"], "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-17 20:16:21 |
last_update | 2017-11-17 20:16:21 |
depth | 4 |
children | 1 |
net_rshares | 1,719,035,752 |
last_payout | 2017-11-24 20:16:21 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 232 |
author_reputation | 82,540,418,526,802 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
frankbacon | 0 | 939,363,247 | 5% | ||
sircork | 0 | 779,672,505 | 100% |
<blockquote> I also think that a none linear reward curve would benefit Steem. </blockquote> <p> Maybe a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmoid_function">sigmoid function</a> as suggested by @twinner might be interesting as it would make self-upvotes less attractive but at the same time would prevent the incredible high rewards for some trending posts which resulted from the n^2 curve. </p>
post_id | 19,078,586 |
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author | jaki01 |
permlink | re-teamsteem-re-transisto-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171130t022940660z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "users": ["twinner"], "links": ["https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmoid_function"], "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-30 02:29:39 |
last_update | 2017-11-30 02:29:39 |
depth | 4 |
children | 0 |
net_rshares | 1,743,840,953,043 |
last_payout | 2017-12-07 02:29:39 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 3.914 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 1.288 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 402 |
author_reputation | 307,452,322,299,597 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
kobold-djawa | 0 | 129,769,004,602 | 100% | ||
davidorcamuriel | 0 | 1,364,289,499,267 | 100% | ||
besteulz | 0 | 8,904,850,586 | 100% | ||
hereforawhile | 0 | 6,029,979,485 | 100% | ||
phytonian | 0 | 1,216,082,775 | 100% | ||
peacevoter | 0 | 1,188,454,915 | 100% | ||
whaleysteem | 0 | 1,405,960,168 | 100% | ||
thing-2 | 0 | 212,499,936,148 | 100% | ||
steemitcurator | 0 | 2,752,796,173 | 100% | ||
gentlesteem | 0 | 3,128,446,034 | 100% | ||
chilloutzoner | 0 | 464,149,476 | 100% | ||
steemerix | 0 | 423,583,418 | 100% | ||
randomjudge | 0 | 431,993,913 | 100% | ||
cryptoroid | 0 | 426,007,887 | 100% | ||
picassolo | 0 | 2,481,949,777 | 100% | ||
endracsho | 0 | 8,428,258,419 | 100% |
It needs to be done on a protocol level, not bots. Bots just consume bandwidth, and it's an endless arms race with the advantage to abusers. Having negation at the protocol level reduces the cost of policing while still allowing accountability for those who engage in policing.
post_id | 17,895,640 |
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author | demotruk |
permlink | re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171116t212801593z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-16 21:28:03 |
last_update | 2017-11-16 21:28:03 |
depth | 2 |
children | 6 |
net_rshares | 132,824,383,261 |
last_payout | 2017-11-23 21:28:03 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.216 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.067 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 277 |
author_reputation | 96,481,588,331,838 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
gregm | 0 | 81,622,919,609 | 100% | ||
ryn | 0 | 22,790,788,131 | 100% | ||
steemreports | 0 | 23,610,541,313 | 100% | ||
revo | 0 | 3,843,669,005 | 75% | ||
teknow | 0 | 956,465,203 | 100% |
> an endless arms race with the advantage to abusers. Nail on the head right here.
post_id | 17,896,808 |
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author | anyx |
permlink | re-demotruk-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171116t215059024z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-16 21:50:57 |
last_update | 2017-11-16 21:50:57 |
depth | 3 |
children | 4 |
net_rshares | 680,017,491 |
last_payout | 2017-11-23 21:50:57 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 83 |
author_reputation | 98,476,665,211,015 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
demotruk | 0 | 680,017,491 | 1% |
What are your thoughts on <a href="https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/279">the issue Dan created</a> which ultimately got rejected?
post_id | 17,900,420 |
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author | lukestokes |
permlink | re-anyx-re-demotruk-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171116t230147168z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "links": ["https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/279"], "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-16 23:01:48 |
last_update | 2017-11-16 23:01:48 |
depth | 4 |
children | 3 |
net_rshares | 0 |
last_payout | 2017-11-23 23:01:48 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 136 |
author_reputation | 395,063,281,398,324 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
Another good suggestion!
post_id | 17,908,942 |
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author | brian-rhodes |
permlink | re-demotruk-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171117t014113477z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-17 01:41:15 |
last_update | 2017-11-17 01:41:15 |
depth | 3 |
children | 0 |
net_rshares | 680,810,679 |
last_payout | 2017-11-24 01:41:15 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 24 |
author_reputation | 42,115,740,826,525 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
demotruk | 0 | 680,810,679 | 1% |
The first thing to do is getting the whales together in a discord chat where we can talk about it. If some whales do something bad, we can just do a harkfork and separate the spammy steem into a new better steem. We would need devs for that though. If we can convince enough devs to defect then bingo, freedom's SP will be worth 10x less.
post_id | 17,898,254 |
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author | littleboy |
permlink | re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171116t221750732z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-16 22:17:57 |
last_update | 2017-11-16 22:17:57 |
depth | 2 |
children | 1 |
net_rshares | 129,563,655,077 |
last_payout | 2017-11-23 22:17:57 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.228 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.048 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 338 |
author_reputation | 198,507,892,119,261 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
brian-rhodes | 0 | 117,103,386,243 | 50% | ||
littleboy | 0 | 12,460,268,834 | 50% |
Do you think that it will take such a drastic step to counter this? I agree it needs to be discussed but don't expect the whales in question to involve themselves in the discussion - at least with our knowledge.
post_id | 17,909,149 |
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author | brian-rhodes |
permlink | re-littleboy-re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171117t014454063z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-17 01:44:54 |
last_update | 2017-11-17 01:44:54 |
depth | 3 |
children | 0 |
net_rshares | 0 |
last_payout | 2017-11-24 01:44:54 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 211 |
author_reputation | 42,115,740,826,525 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
This is something that I recently posted about (creating a downvote bot to target these self-vote rings). It's on the backburner for the time being, but it's something I will eventually get going. It's also important to keep some perspective, I think. The sums involved (i.e. proportions of the total reward pool) are tiny, as far as I can tell. It's why I shuffled my anti-vote-farming bot project down my to-do list.
post_id | 17,913,922 | ||||||||||||
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author | revo | ||||||||||||
permlink | re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171116t211813972z-20171117t14559685z | ||||||||||||
category | steem | ||||||||||||
json_metadata | "{"tags": ["steem"], "format": "markdown+html", "namespace": "steem", "app": "chainbb/0.4"}" | ||||||||||||
created | 2017-11-17 03:06:00 | ||||||||||||
last_update | 2017-11-17 03:06:00 | ||||||||||||
depth | 2 | ||||||||||||
children | 0 | ||||||||||||
net_rshares | 0 | ||||||||||||
last_payout | 2017-11-24 03:06:00 | ||||||||||||
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 | ||||||||||||
total_payout_value | 0.000 SBD | ||||||||||||
curator_payout_value | 0.000 SBD | ||||||||||||
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD | ||||||||||||
promoted | 0.000 SBD | ||||||||||||
body_length | 426 | ||||||||||||
author_reputation | 8,665,183,773,468 | ||||||||||||
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" | ||||||||||||
beneficiaries |
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max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD | ||||||||||||
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
Back to 50/50 curation/poster rewards. [Make it more lucrative to skillfully curate](https://steemit.com/steemit/@mattclarke/the-seed-of-self-upvoting-was-sowed-more-than-12-months-ago-hf19-just-watered-it) than to self upvote/sell votes.
post_id | 17,941,993 |
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author | mattclarke |
permlink | re-lukestokes-re-transisto-whales-witnesses-we-have-to-talk-20171117t104856679z |
category | steem |
json_metadata | "{"app": "steemit/0.1", "links": ["https://steemit.com/steemit/@mattclarke/the-seed-of-self-upvoting-was-sowed-more-than-12-months-ago-hf19-just-watered-it"], "tags": ["steem"]}" |
created | 2017-11-17 10:48:57 |
last_update | 2017-11-17 10:48:57 |
depth | 2 |
children | 0 |
net_rshares | 22,284,326,172 |
last_payout | 2017-11-24 10:48:57 |
cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
total_payout_value | 0.036 SBD |
curator_payout_value | 0.011 SBD |
pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
promoted | 0.000 SBD |
body_length | 238 |
author_reputation | 65,732,140,940,596 |
root_title | "@Whales, @Witnesses, We have to talk!" |
beneficiaries | [] |
max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
author_curate_reward | "" |
voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
ryn | 0 | 22,284,326,172 | 100% |