RE: This is a PAY IT FORWARD POST to help our friend @dianargenti here. Her father passed away & she needs funds to complete the burial AND help her family. We dropped the ball on helping her Steemit Family. by pfunk

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· @pfunk · (edited)
$16.38
99.999% of people in the world need money. The fact is everyone has a time where they are in a tight spot at some point in their lives. Steem can't provide charity for all. It's not a magical fountain of money.

 These rewards, and STEEM's value, are based on the foundation of STEEM's market price. Therefore it is the buyers of STEEM footing the bill for these efforts of charity. So this is not true:

>none of this costs anything, this is why @ned and @dan / @dantheman created this blockchain community and economy.
Right?

It's possible for charity to see a return benefit to Steem, in the form of promotion or helping a valuable member who is in real need of basic things like housing or food. But I see these begging posts getting out of hand already. 

Imagine one side of a street lined with beggars, simply asking for money without offering anything of value. Now imagine the other side of the street lined with buskers, poets, artists, and many others bringing unique value to it.  Which side of that street would you rather walk down?

The second side of the street metaphor is what I think Steem will flourish with. Allocating more and more of the reward pool to begging will turn away valuable contributors and probably buyers of STEEM as well.

I've downvoted this post primarily because of this: 
>I am donating the **liquid rewards** to her, from this post upon payout and I donated to her directly 10 days ago as well.

You're inviting charity but skimming a substantial amount from it. That's not very charitable.

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Edit: And as @son-of-satire found in this comment from @dianargenti, they didn't need the help anyway. https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@barrydutton/hey-steemit-family-what-was-your-1st-blog-post-you-authored-on-here-and-why-or-e-7-or-post-it-or-community-engagement-series#@dianargenti/re-barrydutton-re-dianargenti-re-barrydutton-hey-steemit-family-what-was-your-1st-blog-post-you-authored-on-here-and-why-or-e-7-or-post-it-or-community-engagement-series-20170807t081449245z
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@fivefiveeleven ·
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I just couldn't agree more with this. You explained it the best way, and it doesn't mean we don't care about the subject or the cause for charity, is just getting like a new trend of people begging for something. Today this is the third message I see of someones necessities, and personal I wish the best for all of you asking for help, but its important to think about what you are turning this platform into, we don't ask for money to the owner of Facebook, or twitter, or snapchat, etc. This is not an easy topic, but I totally get and understand your point in this one. Great words.
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@pinaynomad ·
"its important to think about what you are turning this platform into, we don't ask for money to the owner of Facebook, or twitter, or snapchat, etc."

I totally agree with you man. I've been seeing a lot of people begging on this platform or asking for help. I mean, really?! Is it what Steemit for? A Charity?
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@barrydutton ·
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My in depth reply to this is above in comments, I have been out all day.  I've addressed almost everything I can think of in there.  

The sad thing -- is whether I keep 10% --- 50%, or 500% of the rewards, your DV and others, still costs her  money --- and that is evident.   

And that is addressed in my long reply.   I won't be  responding to a slew of individual comments on the negative people have CHOSEN to spend time on here.
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@acidyo ·
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>I've addressed almost everything I can think of in there.

Yet not once did you mention that it is possible to give her all of the rewards. Since you know, this is charity after all.

Not even the centralized charities out there today take a 50% cut.
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@jacquelyne ·
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Thanks for saying so @acidyo... appreciate your voice.
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@pfunk ·
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Is there something preventing you from donating 100% of the rewards from this post?
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@barrydutton ·
Addressed a few mins ago in other reply.

Is there some reason a handful of people are trying to force me to change what I wrote in the post when nobody else did?

This has now become the spotlight for a few of you who read my post -- flagged down the post hundreds of dollars that were meant for Dian --- and then by force and some lies (not you) and misdirection and wordsmithing (sort of you) --- read my post -- don't like that I used the same template and wording as most donation posts --- and are trying to FORCE me to change it 

Flags/censorship taking from Dian --- it is not me.   My original post was never edited and 99% of people who read it are fine with it..... but for a few of you.

I think that needs to be explored!!!!!  But I said that earlier in my reply to you.

Like you are asking / pointing with your language at times, I am not addressing things.

But the timestamps on my replies clearly show I am --- you are just not reading replies, it seems --- to the post in general.

If I was hovering over a post..... I would certainly be reading the whole thing at times, for updates and context.

# But --- I will not try to FORCE any of you to do anything.
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@barrydutton ·
My comments address all of this and more in one reply, in this post, tonite, and then some.   

You guys are literally REACHING for reasons to twist this and make me look badly, I could have sat and done NOTHING to help her --- like  my comments  said in detail.  

This is brutal a handful of you.
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@pfunk ·
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If you're asking for charity you have to be ready to face some scrutiny.
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@barrydutton ·
No.   

Balanced scrutiny.  Not this.  

This is 3-5 people who decided to take issue to FIND and MANUFACTURE  a problem, where none existed with rhetoric and half truths.   

3-5 people who have downvoted this and taken money from Dian, where no post existed prior, when I decided to use my stake (so to speak, none that I have bought, all that I have earned)  to step out and help --- when they did not.  You included.  

As I type this there is 1028 votes, a  handful of those are DV's by whales like you taking money from her.  That is a fact.  Not opinion.

And the same handful of people are now trying to FORCE their opinion on me, on what to do, with my post to help someone out and made this about me, when it is not.   

The same people who have done nothing to help her the last 12 days, but now jump in..... when my time and effort and heart --- have gotten this on the community radar.  

So go ahead, make it about me, manufacture problems where none exist because God knows we don't have enough issues here or other parts of our life.  

There is not a lot of balanced debate here on this.... like a lot of things it seems.   

### TLDR Good:  

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The good: I have raised SO MUCH awareness of her and can see the donations, comments, votes on her comments and posts thru the roof, she is at least getting set up nicely that way. I could have sat like I said and done NOTHING. 

Nite man.
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@pjheinz · (edited)
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@mobbs ·
$1.21
Right, the begging analogy is great. I think anybody in need should get in touch with @venuspcs, who, although is asking for as much charity as he can, he is trying to contribute so much - even delegating SP to people despite him being in abject poverty, starting a campaign to get a steemit van to promote the website publicly, a discord channel to help the homeless on here, intention to pay back those when he can, posting multiple posts daily with photography and writing. 

And that's somebody with completely debilitating physical and mental conditions with hardly a place to sleep, and can barely breath when he does. If anybody needs 50% of $900, it's him.
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@pinaynomad ·
Yup. You perfectly said the right words I was looking for. The begging analogy makes me sick.
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@blockcodes · (edited)
Hypocrite pfunk
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@pjheinz · (edited)
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@teamsteem · (edited)
$4.25
True downvotes are taking from someone. Downvotes are also redistributing what is taken, to everyone else. This everyone is the 99.999% @pfunk is talking about. 

> 99.999% of people in the world need money. 

Instead of using our energies in an destructive manner let's try to see the positives. 

Your post Barry has brought a lot of help to the person you wanted to help and also generated some valuable comments like the one made by @pfunk. 

Downvotes should always be seen as a positive for the 99.999%.
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@barrydutton ·
No.

The months and months of discussions here, and posts and comments......for hundreds of hours, on people abusing their flags are proof that was not a fulsome statement on the matter.
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@teamsteem · (edited)
$4.00
You're saying "no" to what? 

I re-read all the statements I made and they all seem pretty truthful. 

> on people abusing their flags

I think misusing their flags would be more appropriate than abusing their flags for what your are trying to convey. 

I'm not exactly sure I fully understand your comment. 

As to the flags being abuses or misuses, I think this is subjective.

> Show me any process that is guaranteed to arrive at the truth and I'll show you how it will fail.

> Only individuals can make an estimation of truth based upon their own perceptions. - Dan Larmier

In the long run things should pan out in favor of those who behave favorably to those who have the most to lose. 

There is close to a billion people in precarious situation in term of their financial situation to the point of leaving them unable to eat to full satiation some days. 

Let's try to help one another where we can and agree to disagree else where.

There's seriously hundreds of thousands of people dying of malnutrition probably millions because of the concerted efforts of some warlords from the old days. 

Let's refocus our energies to work for the greater good. 

To solves humanity's biggest challenges will necessitate more than just a couple good posts. We'll need a global enlightenment which is taking off and being directly influence by each of our actions. 

The last statement might seem preposterous but I stand by it. In the end, each of our actions duly matter, even on a global scale.
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@barrydutton ·
Well, Dian has spoken -- that link takes you right to her comment -- just give it several seconds to load.- it takes a long time, presumably because of the sheer amount of comments.  It is at the end of my comments/overview here for you.  

The balanced thing to do, since everyone has an opinion --- is for the whales to Upvote this at full power, to move Dian's reply to the top of the comments, to find more easily for everyone, since the post is from her, and about her but I am not holding out much hope for that.-- those big votes would also pay her directly, and that is our focus as well here, right???


You might want to consider sending this to some people who have voted and commented on this, and the related whales who have downvoted or removed support from this -- because Dian's opinion matters the most here and this behaviour in the post has grieved her further.

She is very nice.  

The TLDR version in brief:  

- Is that she still needs funds, as I tried to tell everyone on this thread and provided proof.  

- That the attacks on me and flags have made her sad and during the time when she needed to focus on her family, which is true, and she considers me a brother, (which makes me smile!)

- That she has no problem with the 50/50 format and her getting the liquid rewards and me keeping the steem power at all because I have helped her a lot, and it is her way of thanking me, and that Steemit is a give and take community (about halfway thru her reply)  and again, similar statements right at the end of her post.  

- That she has been offline due to her area in her nation having issues.

- That she wishes the flags be removed and the post supported, and names the whales in doing so.

- That she appreciates all I have done for her over the weeks and knows my heart is right and I have supported her for a long time.  That she knows I view Steemit as community and family and work hard to help out.

-- I have drafted this overview for the benefit of the commenters on the post and am sending this pasted to several people who flagged or downvoted the post, since I know 90% of you / them will miss her reply because it is buried at the bottom of the posts, and so nothing is missed or misinterpreted if everyone gets the same message.  


Dian has spoken.  Now you have to decide how you are going to handle this.   I will not be replying to comments on this, it has turned nasty by a handful of people, where the vast majority of voters and commenters had no issue with this --- nor did Dian and that should carry weight -- her words.  

She has always been my focus here -- and her opinion should be heard and matter more than anyone's here.  

I will say it again for emphasis -- The balanced thing to do, since everyone has an opinion --- is for the whales to Upvote this at full power, to move Dian's reply to the top of the comments, to find more easily for everyone, since the post is from her, and about her but I am not holding out much hope for that.-- those big votes would also pay her directly, and that is our focus as well here, right???

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@barrydutton ·
Hi - Here is what I sent to Dian after the post payout tonite, just keeping you in the loop: 

> I paid you out within about 5 mins of the post being paid to me -- Here is the post I did on it for the community.    Have a good weekend  my friend.  

https://steemit.com/steemit/@barrydutton/donation-post-proof-of-payout-tonight-dianargenti-paid-out-as-promised-extra-sent-tonite-as-well-as-the-extra-sbd-sent-to-her
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@teamsteem ·
$4.63
I have upvoted @pfunk's comment because I think he touches on important points. 

Just for the record I upvoted Barry's post with my bot. 

I think the disagreement from @pfunk and most other downvoters comes more from the fact that they would have prefer a bigger % of the reward to go to @dianargenti. I think that is arguable by both parties. 

In the end, I think his comment is valuable.
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@officialfuzzy ·
Oh so pfunk u should check out whaleshares and whaletank!  We give to people for building projects, coins and community initiatives :)
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@barrydutton ·
Since this is related to this post, your support on this matter here, focused on Dian, would be appreciated Fuzzy.  :

Well, Dian has spoken -- that link takes you right to her comment -- just give it several seconds to load.- it takes a long time, presumably because of the sheer amount of comments.  It is at the end of my comments/overview here for you.  

The balanced thing to do, since everyone has an opinion --- is for the whales to Upvote this at full power, to move Dian's reply to the top of the comments, to find more easily for everyone, since the post is from her, and about her but I am not holding out much hope for that.-- those big votes would also pay her directly, and that is our focus as well here, right???


You might want to consider sending this to some people who have voted and commented on this, and the related whales who have downvoted or removed support from this -- because Dian's opinion matters the most here and this behaviour in the post has grieved her further.

She is very nice.  

The TLDR version in brief:  

- Is that she still needs funds, as I tried to tell everyone on this thread and provided proof.  

- That the attacks on me and flags have made her sad and during the time when she needed to focus on her family, which is true, and she considers me a brother, (which makes me smile!)

- That she has no problem with the 50/50 format and her getting the liquid rewards and me keeping the steem power at all because I have helped her a lot, and it is her way of thanking me, and that Steemit is a give and take community (about halfway thru her reply)  and again, similar statements right at the end of her post.  

- That she has been offline due to her area in her nation having issues.

- That she wishes the flags be removed and the post supported, and names the whales in doing so.

- That she appreciates all I have done for her over the weeks and knows my heart is right and I have supported her for a long time.  That she knows I view Steemit as community and family and work hard to help out.

-- I have drafted this overview for the benefit of the commenters on the post and am sending this pasted to several people who flagged or downvoted the post, since I know 90% of you / them will miss her reply because it is buried at the bottom of the posts, and so nothing is missed or misinterpreted if everyone gets the same message.  


Dian has spoken.  Now you have to decide how you are going to handle this.   I will not be replying to comments on this, it has turned nasty by a handful of people, where the vast majority of voters and commenters had no issue with this --- nor did Dian and that should carry weight -- her words.  

She has always been my focus here -- and her opinion should be heard and matter more than anyone's here.  

I will say it again for emphasis -- The balanced thing to do, since everyone has an opinion --- is for the whales to Upvote this at full power, to move Dian's reply to the top of the comments, to find more easily for everyone, since the post is from her, and about her but I am not holding out much hope for that.-- those big votes would also pay her directly, and that is our focus as well here, right???

Dian's reply to this thread, directly here in this thread -- but here is the direct link since there is close to 400 comments now.  

https://steemit.com/steemit/@barrydutton/this-is-a-pay-it-forward-post-to-help-our-friend-dianargenti-here-her-father-passed-away-and-she-needs-funds-to-complete-the#@dianargenti/re-barrydutton-this-is-a-pay-it-forward-post-to-help-our-friend-dianargenti-here-her-father-passed-away-and-she-needs-funds-to-complete-the-20170814t184403899z
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@dianargenti ·
$25.13
Hello there sir @pfunk I would like to say thank u for everything and for the favor.  I also wanted to say how sorry I am for my good friend Barry here for doing this blog for me and causes him so much trouble. What sonofsatire was reading maybe he/she mis understood of what I was trying  to say. I didn't exactly say I don't need my friend Barry's help, prior for my post a few days ago me and Barry already talk about that he plan to do so...a blog post for me and give.me the liquid rewards I do know that he will do it for he promise me. And for that, it is  already a big favor and help for me to raise the fund that I need for he knows that I was not been able to get on my post. And as the one who involved in this there's no problem in my part for I already knew liquid rewards will be given to me and it is a huge help for me. Sir I don't know how to say the exact words to put this issues, that my friend is only doing what he thinks to help. if he  also gain for what he do I believed it is only right for him for I myself won't let him give me all the benefits for he also deserved. Sir I am asking you a very big favor for me could you pleased in my behalf post comments for I know you can be more heard and more efficient to explained how I valued much for the favor that my friend given to me. for he only thinks to help me.in either way around and I agree for what he have done for me. I just wanted to give back the reputation and the name of my good friend Barry who was being drag down and being misunderstood for helping me at least in this way I can give back the favor, support and help that he given to me for I also know that you do explained very well like what u have commented on here at sir @pfunk, Thank u so much and God bless you always. Please reconsidered for I know you are one of those who have a good hearted person here in the community. Thank u, thank u so much.
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@barrydutton ·
$0.02
Dian, I had no idea you were already on this thread making your voice heard, apart from the one comment of yours on the thread last nite.    Timezones get in the way sometimes of communication LOL.  

You are on so many of our minds.   You continue to show people and me --- what a nice person you are and what community truly means -- and family.   

God bless you and your family.  I am just starting my online catch up now, after getting a post up earlier and then working on things here to help you.

I hope you noticed my other donation come in over the weekend, with all the people donating to you there recently LOL.  

*Hugs*
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@dianargenti ·
Crying over and overwhelm of your thoughts to us, I guess I need a small boat right now so I won't drown with my own tears 😨 keeping the burden to light. Thank u!
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@barrydutton ·
I know as I am getting caught up -- @dianargenti has already communicated here with you -- but I had made this overview to help convey the message here from her - born out of her reply here very late I saw last nite, and this way,  everyone gets the same message and link to her original reply to the community on this, last nite -- in this thread elsewhere....

----

Well, Dian has spoken -- that link takes you right to her comment -- just give it several seconds to load.- it takes a long time, presumably because of the sheer amount of comments.  It is at the end of my comments/overview here for you.  

The balanced thing to do, since everyone has an opinion --- is for the whales to Upvote this at full power, to move Dian's reply to the top of the comments, to find more easily for everyone, since the post is from her, and about her but I am not holding out much hope for that.-- those big votes would also pay her directly, and that is our focus as well here, right???


You might want to consider sending this to some people who have voted and commented on this, and the related whales who have downvoted or removed support from this -- because Dian's opinion matters the most here and this behaviour in the post has grieved her further.

She is very nice.  

The TLDR version in brief:  

- Is that she still needs funds, as I tried to tell everyone on this thread and provided proof.  

- That the attacks on me and flags have made her sad and during the time when she needed to focus on her family, which is true, and she considers me a brother, (which makes me smile!)

- That she has no problem with the 50/50 format and her getting the liquid rewards and me keeping the steem power at all because I have helped her a lot, and it is her way of thanking me, and that Steemit is a give and take community (about halfway thru her reply)  and again, similar statements right at the end of her post.  

- That she has been offline due to her area in her nation having issues.

- That she wishes the flags be removed and the post supported, and names the whales in doing so.

- That she appreciates all I have done for her over the weeks and knows my heart is right and I have supported her for a long time.  That she knows I view Steemit as community and family and work hard to help out.

-- I have drafted this overview for the benefit of the commenters on the post and am sending this pasted to several people who flagged or downvoted the post, since I know 90% of you / them will miss her reply because it is buried at the bottom of the posts, and so nothing is missed or misinterpreted if everyone gets the same message.  


Dian has spoken.  Now you have to decide how you are going to handle this.   I will not be replying to comments on this, it has turned nasty by a handful of people, where the vast majority of voters and commenters had no issue with this --- nor did Dian and that should carry weight -- her words.  

She has always been my focus here -- and her opinion should be heard and matter more than anyone's here.  

I will say it again for emphasis -- The balanced thing to do, since everyone has an opinion --- is for the whales to Upvote this at full power, to move Dian's reply to the top of the comments, to find more easily for everyone, since the post is from her, and about her but I am not holding out much hope for that.-- those big votes would also pay her directly, and that is our focus as well here, right???

Dian's reply to this thread, directly here in this thread -- but here is the direct link since there is close to 400 comments now.  

https://steemit.com/steemit/@barrydutton/this-is-a-pay-it-forward-post-to-help-our-friend-dianargenti-here-her-father-passed-away-and-she-needs-funds-to-complete-the#@dianargenti/re-barrydutton-this-is-a-pay-it-forward-post-to-help-our-friend-dianargenti-here-her-father-passed-away-and-she-needs-funds-to-complete-the-20170814t184403899z
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@dianargenti ·
Thank you for everything and hope everything for you also be ok. No matter what we do we cant please others for they have their own mind thinking. I'm happy that you have smile a little bit over there my friend. Still kicking, kicking some butt hahaha lights on! I'll be soon rolling in the camp fire hope to have good signal in that time. Steem on!
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@barrydutton ·
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Hi Dian, 

I paid you out within about 5 mins of the post being paid to me -- Here is the post I did on it for the community.    Have a good weekend  my friend.  

https://steemit.com/steemit/@barrydutton/donation-post-proof-of-payout-tonight-dianargenti-paid-out-as-promised-extra-sent-tonite-as-well-as-the-extra-sbd-sent-to-her
👍  ,
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@dianargenti ·
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Yes I did get it, thank u for the kindness you showed I know u will be rewarded for the goodness in you. God bless my friend
👍  
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@barrydutton ·
Post payout plus the extra:

Hi Dian, 

I paid you out within about 5 mins of the post being paid to me -- Here is the post I did on it for the community.    Have a good weekend  my friend.  

https://steemit.com/steemit/@barrydutton/donation-post-proof-of-payout-tonight-dianargenti-paid-out-as-promised-extra-sent-tonite-as-well-as-the-extra-sbd-sent-to-her
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