Becoming an anarcho-capitalist means rejecting non-consensual authority such as that of the state. This means that our sense of morality is no longer determined by the laws of our homeland. Usually, when one does this, they're left in a nihilistic fog of confusion for a while until they adopt a new moral framework that makes logical sense to them. I went through a messy transition phase like that as a teenager but got myself sorted out in my early twenties and have been humming along wonderfully ever since. As I mentioned in past articles, I adopted a simple moral structure based on the Nonaggression Principle (NAP), which essentially just forbids the initiation of force and fraud against other individuals. This covers the offenses we probably think of first when someone says the word "crime." Fortunately, both church and state consider such offenses to be crimes too, even though they often make convenient exceptions for themselves. This makes for a very simple moral code by which to live and it's not hard to uphold it if one so chooses. Once we shed the social programing of our childhood and adopt this much simpler foundation, we feel pretty damn good about ourselves. We also become more sensitized to the violence perpetuated by illegitimate authority figures and we actively seek to avoid the institutions they serve and represent. We start to see people as either anarchist or statist and we naturally gravitate towards other people that share our perspective. This is where the so-called "liberty movement" comes from. At first glance, it might appear from the outside that we're all on the same page just because we all claim to uphold the NAP... but as any one of us can attest, the truth is very different. We're deeply divided on many issues and if you look for them, you can find libertarians that despise each other even more than they despise the statist authoritarians that would oppress them. There are a lot of little reasons to be found for this but two stand out above all others. **1) Application of the NAP** ***(who's property rights should be respected?)*** We have different ideas about who's property rights ought to be respected. At one end of the spectrum, we have people that only respect the rights of law-abiding adult humans of sound mind that can enter into contracts (often referred to as full moral agents). As you move down the line, you'll find others that are willing to extend that respect to criminals, mentally handicapped people, people in comas, children, fetuses, and other non-human creatures as well in an attempt to universalize the NAP across all sentient individuals. **2) Behavioral Standards** ***(what actions should be promoted and what should be discouraged?)*** The NAP only defines what deeds ought rightfully be considered crimes (crimes are violations of property rights, which justify defensive force). It doesn't define which ideals to strive for or what values to uphold. Nor does it define which non-criminal activities ought to be avoided and discouraged. Everyone has their pet issues but in general, we can again fit everyone on a spectrum. At one end, we find those who don't want to bother with anything other than the most minimal "bare-bones" application of the NAP without any indication of behavior preferences. At the other end of the spectrum, we have more socially conservative people who believe that for their communities to be strong and resilient, they ought to uphold standards for behavior that go well beyond the NAP. For instance, they often discourage sexual promiscuity because of how it spreads disease, complicates relationships, and results in unwanted pregnancies that produce side-effects like single-parenthood and orphanage. With these in mind, we can craft a new political compass specifically for libertarians. <center>![Political_chart 3.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmQ54h7W59RVntiyauEh4gzD2T5uHqMSY5Xv13dLwTj7NR/Political_chart%203.jpg)</center> What do you think? Do you fit anywhere on this grid? How do you deal with people on opposing quadrants? Is it better to set our differences aside and try to cooperate or should we optimize our lives by sorting ourselves into tribes of more like-minded and compatible people? I'll go into my own opinions about all of this in another article but for now, I'm genuinely curious about where everyone sees themselves on the game board.
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Followed. Liked. Upvoted. Resteemed. Read. Understood. I love peace through strength. Now, is the Non-Aggression Priniciple the same as pacifism? Should we become monks and live in towers up in the sky and only come down once a year? I choose to be aggressive sometimes. I believe in aggression. I understand people who DO NOT believe in starting the aggression. But can aggression be a form of discipline and correction towards your children or students as parents or teachers? I believe in smaller government. I may even consider becoming more like an anarchist. I believe in capitalism. I love money. I love freedoms. For the most part, I do not try to be aggressive towards people, but I make exceptions like you said above when you mentioned the state and also religion.
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No, the NAP isn't pacifism. It allows for the use of violence as long as it's strictly defensive... and no, hitting children isn't defensive.
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How can you discipline children without enough punishment and motivation? If there is no punishment, then why would a kid stop doing bad things? Some kids are different and may need different kinds of punishments at times. Some kids are well behaved like more often while others not so much.
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Correct, in the NAP you do not escalate a situation. You can meet force with equal force, self-defense. Great post by the way piedpiper - UPVOTED :)
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Hi Joe. Aggression is the initiation of violence, so if you didn't start it, you're not being aggressive. The NAP isn't about withdrawing from society, just the state, which loves it when you confuse the two. There's still plenty to disagree about though, as @piedpiper has mentioned. I don't believe corporal punishment qualifies as aggression, for example.
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yeah, if you treat children like property that you can hit, you'd be a contractualist at the top of the compass.
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@mattclarke, agreed, I believe in not starting violence, physical fights, but some would argue and say that Trump Tweets caused terrorists to kill people. I hear the left on CNN and all over blaming Trump for what he said. They said Trump was too aggressive. There is physical aggression which involves violence. My dad was always drinking when I was a kid. My dad was verbally abusive. My dad did not hit my mom but he was yelling. So, I have those memories. . I think I agree in the NAP in withdrawing from the state. I think that is not a good enough strategy for making the world better or anything good. I know that corporal punishment can be a dangerous thing to do, especially when the government becomes too big and too corrupt and everything. It might be different if government was perfect enough. I try to tell myself to focus more on grace over justice. So, my definition of grace, mercy, kindness, agape, may include the NAP thing. I love the justice thing which involve wrath and revenge and giving people what they deserve and all. But as I get older, I start to consider more the opportunities and potential of a focus on grace.
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I try to be in the middle of the game board. When I was a kid, I was more on the top right corner as a contractual puritan. As I got older, I went down and left to be more liberal and universal. I believe in classical liberty or liberalism in letting people do what they want to do. I believe in objective universal morality and everything that can be applied to everybody everywhere. I kind of want to be in the middle of the board but I am becoming a bit more liberal and universal on the bottom left corner of the game board.
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Yeah, I moved around the board too. Ten years ago, I was in the top left and now I'm in the bottom right. Funny how much we can change, huh? :)
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Right. Funny. Sure. And I also try to go to the right where you are too. But I tend to be more liberal than pure. I am at the bottom too like you. I can see myself anywhere on the board depending on the situation and everything. I like everything on your board. So, the center is a great place to be.
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Hi! Glad I found your profile. After reading Atlas Shrugged some years ago I could never go back. The problem I have with anarchism is that in my opinion a lot of people who call themselves anarchists are actually communist. They want the state gone, but at the same time they want to force people to live in their communist society. That makes no sense to me. Anarchism is about freedom from force and violence. Sure, create your communist society, but leave me out of it. Love the post. Got a new follower. I usually dont ask people to follow me or check out my blog, unless I actually believr you will enjoy it :) cheers
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Good to meet you! Yeah, there's no going back after the Shrug. You're definitely right about the word "anarchy" being misused a lot. I'm still surprised by how few people actually know what the word means. When you ask most people, they say that it's just a synonym for chaos. lol And yes, a lot of commies use it too. Of course I'll take a look at your stuff. Cheers!
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How can anarchism not become chaotic? Family has a governmental structure. The President of the family is the father. There is a system in place. Government is simply a structure. Companies have governance as well. Without structure, you have chaos.
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Agreed. Some anarchists are communists / socialists /Marxists / progressives. I do not want to be too forced towards too many things like taxes or bad laws or any of those things that can become problematic maybe eventually. Some anarchists can be maybe too impractical about the world. Without government or leaderships and some structure, then many bad things do happen or can happen when there are no compensations and substitutions and replacements for the absence of government.
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In a minarchy the state's only role is to protect your property, meaning your land, house, things and body. Everything else will be voluntary. Do you want someone to put out the flames if your house bursts into fire? Then its a good idea to organize and pay for a fire departement. Anarchy doesnt mean chaos. It means voluntarism. It will be your priviledge and responsibility to either chose to pay for firemen or not. You will be a grown up human being capable of taking the best decision for you.
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Pied Piper is downvoting my posts. He uses aggression against me. @piedpiper is attacking me. He said that discipline is bad. He said discipleship is bad. I agreed with him that abused is bad. I agree. Assault is bad. Murder is bad. We agree but he continues to attack me. I am not attacking him but he is abusing me. He is trying maybe rape me.
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Great article, @piedpiper! I too, have many issues with fellow libertarians, and believe that a political compass specifically made for libertarians is interesting. I'm not entirely sure whether I understand the terms you have used in your matrix: universalist, puritan, libertine, and contractualist. Maybe you could explain this compass in greater detail in one of your next posts. :)
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Thanks! I explained in the article but maybe I can clarify or simplify a bit here... A contractualist believes that the NAP only applies to full moral agents (conscious adult humans of sound mind). Contrariwise, a universalist applies the NAP universally to all sentient individuals, regardless of their age, intelligence, or species. A libertine is satisfied with only the NAP while a puritan also holds himself and those in his community to strict behavioral standards.
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I'm not sure where to put myself in your matrix. I consider myself a Daoist and see many ways in which libertarian anarchism and daoism complement one another although their philosophical focus is quite different.
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Pied Piper is downvoting my posts. He uses aggression against me. @piedpiper is attacking me. He said that discipline is bad. He said discipleship is bad. I agreed with him that abused is bad. I agree. Assault is bad. Murder is bad. We agree but he continues to attack me. I am not attacking him but he is abusing me. He is trying maybe rape me.
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What wild ride to go through the intellectual drama of personal development. We are programmed as children, i believe only a small number of us can break the "conditioning" and drop all of the pre-conceived notions, basically uploaded to us. A good question is if governments are intentionally "social engineering" us, is that a crime? To manipulate ones personal being through deception. Seems as if they are taking away our individuality for personal gain, stealing our livlihood for profit, it may be considered theft.
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That is a crime or it is not good. Many people are or are trying to brain wash us at all times all over the palce in so many ways in so many different ways and it is complex and simple.
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Trying to convince someone to believe as you do isn't itself a violation of the NAP but if you use force to do it, like the state does, than it absolutely becomes a violation. I would never force my daughter to go anywhere, least of all a state indoctrination facility.
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Haha, very true. Its not the act of convincing someone, its the method.
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@americana-reboot, Pied Piper is downvoting my posts. He uses aggression against me. @piedpiper is attacking me. He said that discipline is bad. He said discipleship is bad. I agreed with him that abused is bad. I agree. Assault is bad. Murder is bad. We agree but he continues to attack me. I am not attacking him but he is abusing me. He is trying to maybe rape me.
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I think living in like-minded communities is what will be the next progression of things. Statism is a barrier to this but it would probably happen quickly in a voluntary world. It wouldn't be isolationist like you live in your community and those 150 are all that you know. Rather people probably want to constantly visit and explore and figure out what works best and what other people are doing. But there are so many arbitrary things like even down to what level of nudity is acceptable. Is it ok to walk around puffing a cigarette near people, etc. And life just works a little easier when you surround yourself by people who are on the same page rather than try to live on top of each other with different attitudes about this stuff. And being surrounded "by like-minded people" can actually *mean* a community of completely different people, if they wanted to attempt that and see how it works. And it's my feeling that there will probably be "public" areas where people from different communities all hangout and stuff. And this is great for people who haven't settled somewhere. And there's some generic code of conduct in these places, and then in your home communities you have more niche differences.
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I been thinking the same thing. Nassim Taleb put it well in his [latest piece](https://medium.com/incerto/why-each-one-should-eat-his-own-turtles-revised-8a4be2f11e61): *"You know instinctively that people get along better as neighbors than roommates."*
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Ya, I think it's easier to really connect and go deep and be one when we're more surrounded by people who don't have clashing preferences and attitudes. And we'd have "neighbor" communities who we're friends with, but we'd organize more closely and more intimately with people we vibe most with. -------- It's a funny duality where we want to accept everyone -- and we *should* in the sense that we want them to be them, to live their destiny in whatever ways seem good to them. But that's different than being close with everyone. And I think in today's world we take it for granted that we build "communities" of people who essentially barely even know each other, let alone have a real capacity to bond and connect deeply.
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Too much population density = Mouse utopia.
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I think there is also a big difference between "utilitarianism" and "natural rights" in the libertarian scene. I was going to leave a comment but instead ended up writing a full post: [Utilitarian voluntarism vs. natural rights libertarianism](https://steemit.com/utilitarian-voluntarism/@samupaha/utilitarian-voluntarism-vs-natural-rights-libertarianism) But I guess it's still too short to explain everything so feel free to comment and ask questions.
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That's a very fun topic. My short response would simply be that *rights don't exist.* That is to say, they aren't anything objective outside of ourselves. They're just thoughts in our minds. They're the respect we decide to automatically grant others and it varies from person to person. For instance, someone at the top of my chart only believes that conscious adult humans of sound mind have full human rights. Someone at the bottom of the chart, like me, will disagree and argue that people in comas, children, and all other sentient creatures of the world ought to be granted the same rights.
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But how do you come up with the story of rights? Where does that come from? What's your argument for *"this is the story that people should believe"*? For me the concept of natural rights has been always somehow incomplete. It's like saying *"everybody should believe this story, period"*, and not discussion of the reasons *why*. Like it's just a story that's mandatory for every libertarian to believe. That's the starting point and there is no need to discuss why we should start from there.
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Please guys follow me I'm new user
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welcome
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@piedpiper, DO NOT HIT / ASSAULT CHILDREN. I AGREE. PEOPLE ARE PAYING YOU MONEY TO LIE ABOUT ME. I agree with you. But you continue to comment and pretend that I disagree. I hate violence. I hate abuse. I hate assault. I do not like it when people assault / hit people. I said that I agree with you many times but you continue to pretend that I did not say that. You continue to insult me and you continue to lie about what I said. I talked about discipleship. I did not talk about bad things like killing people. I hate bad things. I hate abuse. I hate it. I hate it when we hurt people. I agree with you.
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Do not hit except sometimes.
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Pied Piper is downvoting my posts. He uses aggression against me. @piedpiper is attacking me. He said that discipline is bad. He said discipleship is bad. I agreed with him that abused is bad. I agree. Assault is bad. Murder is bad. We agree but he continues to attack me. I am not attacking him but he is abusing me. He is trying maybe rape me.
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Great post. Maybe here: https://s11.postimg.org/m81ymdhoj/IMG_2120.jpg All depends on how exactly "puritan" is defined, really, in regard to different areas.
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It's just there to indicate maximum social conservatism. If you happen to think of a better word for that, by all means, fire it at me. This is just a first draft and can definitely be refined.
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No, it's not that. I just mean, in regard to being "puritanical" when it comes to marriage commitments, I am all the way to the right, really. In regard to using substances and being slightly loose sometimes in that respect, I'd be a little more to the left. I love the chart, man.
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Hmm, there is a lot to think about in this thread. I may have to read up again on Larken Rose first to get in to the right mood and build up my vocabulary.
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Larken Rose is awesome ! :D ![12346460_1066654930035022_5527006323036414516_n.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmXZrW1szScQyUaSdZXnD1AfKQJsvxewGtB2U5bFpSRrom/12346460_1066654930035022_5527006323036414516_n.jpg)
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Focus and inner knowing...moving most aside in a physical sense to concentrate on uplifting the masses through my own positive works...by simply living...I create more magick...and harmony in my surroundings...
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Upvoted and follow :) ![207150734ae7016cc.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmRrH1kqjsef8YMextswUzYUGitDaQvThuRta1MSYxATgJ/207150734ae7016cc.jpg) βPeople who pride themselves on their "complexity" and deride others for being "simplistic" should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.β β Thomas Sowell,
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@piedpiper I see collaborative efforts, spontaneous self-organizing phenomena, peer-to-peer, sharing, and both open & free source technologies competing with institutional governance that seek to centralize control... Market volatility and social upheaval may be coming.
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