RE: Simple Adjustments To Steem Guild: Feedback Needed, No Drama by renzoarg

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steemguild · @renzoarg · Feb 1 '17

Then, it will; sooner or later; bring up complains about how those posts exploit the brainless voting of upBOTs for "extra benefits".
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Is that "we will only pay with upvotes" decision announced over an official channel? (I mean, to keep it transparent as it is claimed), It would be good to link it.

👍 matherly, seraph, pfunk10
👎 asshole

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@renzoarg · Feb 1 '17

Dodge +1, Transparency -5

👍 matherly, seraph, pfunk10
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@stellabelle · Feb 1 '17

> Staff members put in varying amounts of time; their only source of compensation is upvotes on their own posts, per the preference of the project’s whale supporters. Steem Guild is not a business, so it has no budget or fundraising of its own.

Steem Guild update: https://steemit.com/steemit/@donkeypong/steem-guild-an-update

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@renzoarg · Feb 1 '17

Wait, you're telling me that the whales used to upvote as "payment" do not have control of their wallets?

👍 matherly

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@stellabelle · Feb 1 '17

their sp was given to Steem Guild to help redistribute rewards to people. It was to even out the centralization of wealth.

👍 matherly

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@renzoarg · Feb 1 '17

(Damn the comment chain limit)

>their sp was given to Steem Guild to help redistribute rewards to people. It was to even out the centralization of wealth.

But why is it neccesary to merge the payment of staffmembers with the redistribution of "rewards"? It will only lure steemtrails in, breaking the balance, again.

👍 matherly

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@stellabelle · Feb 1 '17

well, that's why i wrote this post.

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@stellabelle · Feb 1 '17

it is very clearly stated below, and my solution exists within the confines of its structure. It just adds a layer of integrity, that I think would make Steem more valuable, and the trending pages more valuable as well.

👍 matherly, seraph, pfunk10
👎 asshole

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