Yeah DV trails dont give you a chance to consider if its spam or not. Im not on any DV trails with my @solominer account. That way I can make a conscious decision on what to downvote. 

And its not their stake in many cases, its leased. So they did not buy into Steem, they are just renting it. Id rather downvote crap content than allow it to pay out and lower the price of Steem.

Id much rather see just 50 people writing quality posts, instead of allowing everyone and anyone to bidbot their posts into trending and then making a dash for the door with their earnings, lowering the price of Steem.

Clearly you have no clue how the reward pool works if you think 250k people shitposting and milking rewards is sustainable, and will create any incentive for legitimate users.  

Commenting as a reminder to respond later. I believe I can address your points in a way that hopefully you may find reasonable.

Thanks for sharing your POV.

You don't have to join any trails. You can manually downvote just for plagiarism if you like. Most of us in SFR act as individuals. I mostly remove votes where they were bought from bots. Someone buying a dollar of votes or more on several posts per day is depriving us all of rewards. I don't want to chase people away unless they really are not interested in working with the greater community. Good posts add value to Steem and we need more of them for sure.

thanks alot..

I am really glad someone came up with the idea for @steemflagrewards giving people incentive short term with tokens and upvotes for going after targets will hopefully turn more users into those who want to combat crap on the chain. Long term the price of Steem should rise if we can stop the leaking caused by abusers.

What you are cleaning? You stolen the peoples money, who invest in bid-bots, to promote their hard work, and this money is back into pool - that's stolen money, not cleaning, and not right way for economic!

Ah... maybe you and people like you clean the Steemit from people, to blown the people away from steemit. One day, the Steemit will be just a bunch of people like you and youple of others like you (SFR), to stay here and be happy to be in a such community, alone. Because, you downvote real peoples work, not the spams or plagiarism.

Every bussines, like example, google, you pay bids for words, to promote your work, site, whatever, or google ads, and here, the bots are created to help people to promote their work, for money, ok, but that's it, and you destroy this now.

You see that no one are investing more in the Steem?, the price of couple of cents in the last days, are just the money you stolen from people bidding bots with their money, you take this back, and put into pool, but that's not the economics that should be. Look at the charts, investments before the last 2 forks, and look after, you will see, no investments more. I talk about millions of dolars investments, not a couple of dolars like now.

You all do this wrong with downvoting real people. People receiving 2 days long just downvoting, but, not from normal people, just from some bots, with no posts, and maybe 10% from normal people who join the DV trail, and they have no clue what they are doing, almost all of them are beginners here, or thinking, ok, i hel to downvote the spams or plagiarism, in fact, they helping SFR to blown away real people.

Please, stop this, until is to late. look at other posts, overall in steemit, people are complaining about this problem you create here with such ideas.

Do not downvote real people with real work, please to all real people with real accounts, because, SFR is 90% automated bots, accounts with nonsense posts, or no posts at all!

Do not let this happend.

yep I feel ya, id rather make a case by case basis on deciding what to downvote. 

So true, I had to decline downvoting one of my followers @kiel91 as they came on the radar for bid botting. Was kinda worried the group was going to be mad at me, but instead I got a great response.

https://i.postimg.cc/ZnTvjpyM/cantvote.png

I work with SFR and I'm not on the trail.

I just downvote along the way if I feel my downvote is needed.

I'm on the trail, but I check @steemworld every day to see what I downvoted, and I sometimes cancel my downvote if I think it's not necessary. It depends what the reason for downvoting was and if I think we overshot. If it's for buying votes, I usually aim to only take out the amount that wasn't earned organically. Each person can do as they wish. Nobody is forced to join the trail, and everybody has the right to cancel their downvotes if they don't agree with it.

I was surprised as well who I recognized when I joined SFR. Just like you I looked around for awhile before getting more involved. 

You too @saboin good to join you on SFR and on the Caturday Discord. Thanks much for the CAT tokens again.

Thank you. @saboin. Used some SFR to give this supportive comment a boost. Hope to work to scale things and tighten up our process to ensure we stay in the straight and narrow so to speak. It's so easy for flag groups to gain a negative stigma. 

It really doesn't take much.. no matter how much good is done. There was a time when morale was pretty low but glad things seem to be turning around. We have some good allies and think the fields will be ripe for harvest when the full vision of SFR is realized.

At this point, I'm going need to navigate into the business side.. something that is completely foreign to me as a tech person as I think what we do can be leveraged as a business service.. and I want to make sure everybody that was there and believed gets first dibs on the opportunities I hope to be created.

One day hope this thing will be more than a hobby. Don't get me wrong. I love my job but get a lot more from what I do here. It's a lot more satisfying than managing domain controllers any day of the week. <sub>Syadmin work can be droll.</sub>

Thats what I usually try to do, I look at the bid bot amount and nullify the rewards. Or in the case of @onthehook8 I removed their self upvote worth before payout.. Leaving them with the worth of the other upvoters.

If you use Steemauto, you can find my downvote trail on there under my username. 

Just started one, good point.

Glad to be a member, yes sometimes big bidbot upvotes can get past us. But luckily it seems SFR knows a few whales that can help out if the heavy downvote is needed. And I completely agree, we need to stop abusers before others try to do the same and magnify the issue.

thanks alot for the comment

@anthonyadavisii

thanks alot for checking out my post, loving the community you started. Thanks for letting me join. That would be great for a DAO proposal, and give the group enough SP to handle almost all bid-botted or large group upvoted posts.

Looking forward to how it scales, as Steem grows we will need to scale as well.

Right, well thats why I like how its up to the individual in the group to decide to downvote or not. Most of the users do not like people using bid bots and thats why you got downvoted, but I decided to refrain from joining in.

I think previous groups trying to handle that were quite centralized and hard to reach the people in charge. At least with SteemFlagRewards its an open discord and people can come in and dispute the downvotes.

Ah thanks alot, yes I know who you are speaking of. I pulled my delegation to SBI because I was getting downvotes. When that gets straightened out I look forward to returning.

Like you said its not them downvoting based on content, instead based on association with another group. I hope that does not catch on, not a fan of the in-fighting probably because of failed bid-bots.