Blind men and the elephant: Objective truth versus subjective truth by stevescoins

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Blind men and the elephant: Objective truth versus subjective truth
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>And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right
And all were in the wrong!

A parable originated in India (or thereabout) in which blind men attempt to describe what an elephant is by relating their physical contact with it.  As each man had contact with a different part of the elephant, each man thus gave a much different description of the beast.

This is a perfect parable to explain objective truth versus subjective truth.

### What is "Objective Truth"?

I am going to simplify things.  "Objective Truth" is what is.  It has nothing to do with beliefs or wishcasting or personal interpretation.  It doesn't matter what i think it is, or what you think it is.  It simply is.

If you'd like to see some eggheads scrambling in the dark trying to define it, then Wiki's article on [Objectivism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity_(philosophy)) can point you to intellectual blind men feeling up the elephant of reality.

If you are getting the feeling that I think that trying to define "Objective Truth" is just academic masturbation, you just might be right.

Note that I am not claiming there is no such thing as "Objective Truth";  I am stating that there is no way for us to grasp it.

### Subjective Truth is so much easier to explain

It's how you see things versus how others see things.

https://howdouteach.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/opinion.jpeg

In the above picture, if you had another guy at the top and bottom of the image, they would have different ways of describing the 69 as well.

Returning to the elephant parable, each of the blind men is describing his subjective truth about the elephant.

We are limited in the way we see things.  We have two main ways to acquire new data;  either from our own personal experience, or from the descriptions of others.

+ The way that we see things is tainted.  We only have 5 senses (sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch).  Anything that may exist outside those senses is something we can not experience.  There is a whole blog post (or 100) that can describe how our brain interprets the outside world, and discussing how that *perception* can be interfered with by defects.
In addition to how our brain interprets these incoming signals, we also have *feelings* that can affect how we see what is going on around us.
+ Cognitive biases and heuristics are mental short cuts.  Beyond physical and mental defects which can distort the signal coming into our brains, the way that we process that data can be diverted from "Objective Truth" by the way we *analyze* the data.
+ Range of experience means that you as an individual have not experienced everything.  You can not have walked around and molested the entire elephant of life on your own.  There just isn't time to have done this; REQUIRING the input from exterior sources of data...other people.
+ The problems of bias and experience are multiplied when we are taking in information second-hand, or from the experiences of others.  I'd like you to watch the following video from *It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia*; as it demonstrates this perfectly.  It was a bit of serendipity that I watched this episode while I was 'acontemplating this blog.
https://youtu.be/NFPtjXFfczM

### "Objective Truth" versus Subjective Truth...how about a "Common Truth"?

>Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

Donald Rumsfield took a lot of dishonest crap for this statement, but when we look at it rationally ( see the [Johari window](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johari_window)), it makes a lot of sense, and meshes with with our discussion so far.

The fact that a perfectly sensible statement became a "controversy" highlights that our Subjective Truths clash quite frequently.  

If I use the Imperial scale to measure the length of a stick, and you use the Metric scale to measure the same stick, we are going to have different *numbers* we record...these are different Subjective Truths.

The damn stick is still the same length regardless of the number of units we use different measures for.  But, we *can* both measure the stick at the same time, and look at each others scales, and make a comparison of our measures to create a conversion scale.  That is a common truth.

I won't say the length of the stick is an "objective" measure...maybe I was high, and I hallucinated the stick, my measure of the stick, you, and your damn Metric system.  Frigging brain artifacts ;>

That doesn't matter either, as long as I am in my hallucination with you and we agree on a Common Truth about the length of the stick.  Now we can use that stick and many others like it to build a football stadium.

And the definition of football as an American sport in which the ball is oblong and the game is determined by violent contact is an Objective Truth.  We all know that the reference to the inferior European game as soccer as "football" is a Subjective Truth, and not worth referencing ;>

### So what's the point?

I joke about football not being soccer; it is a clash of Subjective Truths to argue about the semantics of the name of a game.  It has no impact on a common truth.

You might then ask:
*If there is no "Objective Truth", Steve, then why do you bloviate so much about critical thinking, cognitive biases, scientific method, logic, blah, blah, blah?*

Because there are Common Truths that affect us all...***whether or not we allow our Subjective Truths to acknowledge those Common Truths or not!***

Rape rates in Sweden have shot up; the offenders have been predominately Muslim immigrants.
This becomes a political issue due to the fact that so many people have built their Subjective Truth around their own perception of a morality.  This morality *a priori* states that it is *good* to bring in Muslim immigrants and *bad* to point out any crimes that the immigrants have committed.

The failure of Subjective Truth to acknowledge Common Truth is the point of critical thinking.  In some cases, it doesn't matter.  Who gives a shit about what we call football?

In other cases, where bodies are left behind, where economies are destroyed, and where women are abused, it matters very much.

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@krnel ·
Note I was writing this as I read, and only read the end... well at the end. LOL. I am posting because it holds valid for someone who accepts the previous arguments you were making. Peace.

> Note that I am not claiming there is no such thing as "Objective Truth"; I am stating that there is no way for us to grasp it.

That's the fallacy of thinking we need an absolute total understanding of everything in order for objective truth to be understandable as certain aspects, attributes, properties and characteristics of the diversity, variability and multiplicity of existence.

Subjective truth in relation to objective truth, means a personal determination that can be made without existence to verify the proposition. We can believe whatever we want as "subjective truth", but it doesn't make it so in objective reality.

The video you show demonstrates what I'm talking about, how subjective determinations devoid of verification and actual grounding in reality, can often be false. Ideas and beliefs are great to explore, but truth is a synonym for reality and requires reality to validate it. 

Secondary sources that validate a certain thing can be more relied upon if they verify the same things in reality as being such. We can't, or shouldn't, be redoing re-verification of every single thing ourselves such as experiments scientists can conduct which we are limited from doing ourselves. What they say is true so long as it is true, based on our belief, trust, faith and loyalty in what they say. We can be fooled by them, and we can fool ourselves as they can fool themselves and then fool us in consequence.

This is part of biases, sensory limitations, etc. but there is still the objective reality that is shared in common for common knowledge to be attained and communicated about. The fact that we can't be in the same space at the same time in the universe certainty doesn't preclude the ability to discern objective truth from reality.

As you say, the subjective truth we each want to reference through different means, such as rulers with different measurements, is a problem we created, not reality.
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@stevescoins ·
>That's the fallacy of thinking we need an absolute total understanding of everything in order for objective truth to be understandable as certain aspects, attributes, properties and characteristics of the diversity, variability and multiplicity of existence.

Good point.  I was trying to make the point that we don't need to define "Objective Truth", or even a unified "Common Truth"...so as long as we reach a "Common Truth" that meets our basic needs in security and economy. This is the *the objective reality that is shared in common for common knowledge to be attained and communicated about* that concerns me.

>The video you show demonstrates what I'm talking about, how subjective determinations devoid of verification and actual grounding in reality, can often be false. 

Exactly what I was using it to demonstrate; I was not trying to defend Creation ;>  This is the clash between Subjective Truths.

>We can't, or shouldn't, be redoing re-verification of every single thing ourselves such as experiments scientists can conduct which we are limited from doing ourselves. What they say is true so long as it is true, based on our belief, trust, faith and loyalty in what they say.

Agreed.  This goes back to the clash of Subjective Truths.  Aligning  Subjective Truths , IMHO, requires coercion at some point.  I don't think that is a good thing, until there is an actual point of harm...and even in those cases, I'm not sure how far we should intervene (faith healing for children, for example).  There is definitely some utilitarian trade-off in science versus religion (I touched on this in the Circular Logic post).

Good points all, and if I ever come back to tighten this post up (which is the current plan), I'll try to make my own points clearer!
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@jameselton ·
Part of the difficulty working with objectivity and subjectivity is that they are overloaded philosophical terms. The Internet Encyclopedia does a pretty good job of introducing the main usages. http://www.iep.utm.edu/objectiv/

Part of the problem with your analysis above is that you seem to be sliding back and forth between objectivity/subjectivity with regard to knowledge and objectivity/subjectivity with regard to judgement. For example, when a blind man describes an Elephant as a sofa because he deduces from his experience that it is a sofa, he has not stated a subjective truth in terms of knowledge. Epistemologically speaking, it is an objective falsehood.

Now contrast that with, say, the blind man's determination that the sofa he's feeling feels pleasant. This feeling he has is epistemologically subjective. So what's the difference between mistaking an elephant for a sofa and thinking the sofa/elephant feels nice to touch? 

In principal, the elephant/sofa is actually one of the two because it actually is one of the two out there in reality. In other words, it's the way that it is grounded that makes it epistemelogically objective. Conversely, the feeling that it's pleasant to touch the sofa/elephant is true BECAUSE the blind man is experiencing it. The fact that he is experiencing it makes it is necessarily true.  In fact, the only way it could be false if the the blind man wasn't actually feeling it.

"Dude. I said it felt nice, but it really just creeped me out."

A nice shortcut for this: things that are mediated are objective and things that are not mediated are subjective.

I think what leads us easily astray is that the man who touches the elephant is dealing with an objective world when he debates whether it's an elephant or a sofa that he's touching, but the stimulus that mediates his interaction with that object is subjectively true.
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@stevescoins ·
> think what leads us easily astray is that the man who touches the elephant is dealing with an objective world when he debates whether it's an elephant or a sofa that he's touching, but the stimulus that mediates his interaction with that object is subjectively true.

I'm glad you ended with that.  it's a good summary.

we have:
objective truth -> all intermediating factors (senses, biases, previous experiences, etc) -> subjective truth.

Since I don't think that we can "see" the complete Objective Truth, I claim that we really only need to see enough of it to make rational decisions about what I called the Common Truth, and only then when those decisions involve real repercussions.

I'd say "our" task  is to teach enough critical thinking skills to remove as much as the intermediating filters as possible to make the best decisions possible in that framework, while realizing that missing data can still have an effect on those decisions.

Good comment, when I revisit this blog, it will aid me in making my point cleaner
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@stevescoins ·
note to self - when redoing this, note that faith = prior experience

also that each new experience judged upon previous experiences
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