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>So what, if they dont want their ideas stealed, then don't publish them. Otherwise it's already public information. You said there would be more innovation without IP laws, now you're saying that people won't publish or use their ideas because they'd be stolen. Which is it? There's no innovation if everything just stays in their own head, and there's no progress if Disney just freely steals everyone's ideas rather than at least buying them. >But so what if they profit from them, I mean free information is alrady free, so why would people pay money for that if it's already free? It's hilarious you're saying that on a platform whose main draw is that people can profit from sharing their ideas. >Best example is the GPL license, it allows you to sell the softwares, but nobody will buy it because you can just get it for free. Yes, and most of it sucks and the software companies that do it seriously sell support for the product. >I already explained this: Crowdfunding. >Why do you think important research should be behind closed doors? Why can't a community crowdfund a medical project and make it free and transparent? Great, we'll get zillions of dollars of research into boner pills and nothing for HIV because, after all, that only happens to sinful people.
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Man it's really a pain in the ass to argue with you, no offence. You are constantly twisting my arguments and putting words in my mouth, or you don't understand what I am talking about. > You said there would be more innovation without IP laws, now you're saying that people won't publish or use their ideas because they'd be stolen. I didnt said that. I said that people who want to `profit` from their IP, should keep their secret. Like keeping an investment strategy secret, or an indistrial design.... I say that making things public, and therefore, publicly useable without IP laws hindering progress, will make innovation faster, because everyone will have access to the latest technology for free. So if you want to keep stuff for yourself, then don't publish it, otherwise you must assume that somebody somewhere will copy it, adapt it, or use it for their own benefit. > Yes, and most of it sucks and the software companies that do it seriously sell support for the product. Linux systems and softwares work perfectly. Most of them rely on donations or selling merchandise. But I would imagine at some point somebody would create a cryptocurrency that would fund these projects. I am surprized people haven't done this already. > Great, we'll get zillions of dollars of research into boner pills and nothing for HIV because, after all, that only happens to sinful people. That's ridiculous. If HIV is a real threat in 3lrd world, then they should fund the research. The 3lrd world will become rich eventually after the tech improves life conditions there ,and then maybe HIV won't even be a problem after that.
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>I didnt said that. I said that people who want to profit from their IP, should keep their secret. Like keeping an investment strategy secret, or an indistrial design.... >I say that making things public, and therefore, publicly useable without IP laws hindering progress, will make innovation faster, because everyone will have access to the latest technology for free. >So if you want to keep stuff for yourself, then don't publish it, otherwise you must assume that somebody somewhere will copy it, adapt it, or use it for their own benefit. How do you use an industrial process without letting other people know about it? And you can complain I'm "twisting your words" but nowhere did you limit your thoughts to industrial processes. Without that we could be talking about anything, like books, reverse engineering drugs, etc. The fact is anything you use is out there. I'm starting a company, we have a patent and we *still* need to be careful when we're pitching to investors in case anyone decides they can steal our idea because we can't actually afford to defend the patent. You can't use an idea and keep it private, it just doesn't work that way. >Linux systems and softwares work perfectly. Most of them rely on donations or selling merchandise. Define perfectly? They may work well (sorry, computer programmer here and nothing is bug free) but especially in the linux world the UI is so crap only highly technical people can use it. I gave up on linux when I had to compile my own video card driver... it just wasn't worth the effort. Red Hat is who I was thinking of when I claimed they make their money on support. If other distros are making money through merch... well, there's a reason Bill Gates is worth billions but few people have ever heard of Ubuntu. >That's ridiculous. If HIV is a real threat in 3lrd world, then they should fund the research. The 3lrd world will become rich eventually after the tech improves life conditions there ,and then maybe HIV won't even be a problem after that. Do you mean 3rd world? Or is "3lrd world" something else? Medical research is not something done in basements. It's something done with highly advanced research equipment that creates a barrier to entry.
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> How do you use an industrial process without letting other people know about it? [NDA's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement) , secrecy, and watching out for industrial spies. > And you can complain I'm "twisting your words" but nowhere did you limit your thoughts to industrial processes. Without that we could be talking about anything, like books, reverse engineering drugs, etc. Its the same for books and other stuff too. Who said the only way to make money from a book is to sell it. Just look at Steemit, people are publishing their books here, and are making money / post. > I'm starting a company, we have a patent and we still need to be careful when we're pitching to investors in case anyone decides they can steal our idea because we can't actually afford to defend the patent. I don't agree with patents, I wrote this in the article. > Define perfectly? They may work well (sorry, computer programmer here and nothing is bug free) but especially in the linux world the UI is so crap only highly technical people can use it. I gave up on linux when I had to compile my own video card driver... it just wasn't worth the effort. Ah c'mon this is your arguing strategy? You basically cherrypick some small problem and make it to look like something outrageous. It's nothing like that Linux works fine. I never had to compile my video card driver, where did you get that idea? And Linux UI is just as good as any other OS, this is not 1999, linux is not command line based, it has a nice desktop and easy to use softwares. Just use Linux Mint, it is pre-packed with all softwares you need. And it's free. > Medical research is not something done in basements. It's something done with highly advanced research equipment that creates a barrier to entry. Yes, so there is no IP claim there if these laws were abolished, exactly. People will just crowdfund research. Secrecy can't be applied to every single project out there. Although a military can probably create a bio weapon in a lab in complete secrecy. So why can't a company create a medicine just like that? They can just sell the pills but not the idea. It would be hard to reverse engineer the pill, and maybe the thief would spend more on reverse -engineering costs than the researcher for inventing it. Who knows?
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