RE: Not Kokesh for "Not President" (Part 1 of 2) by truthabides

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· @truthabides ·
>"Instead, it puts peoples’ hopes in the outcome of an election, and the possibility of President Kokesh signing an “Executive Order” to make the U.S. “government” cease to exist. To be blunt, never in a million years will that happen, and having that be the stated goal is both philosophically hypocritical and tactically delusional."

That's predicting the future and a non starter in the logic dept.  You don't even know what's going to happen tomorrow. Do you only try sure things? If it looks impossible, what? - just don't even try?  People's hopes? Do you think we are all too stupid to know what a long shot this is?  

>"Notice the complete lack of any mention of anything about the philosophy of voluntaryism/anarchism. Instead, it’s all about his master plan for when he gets elected. Again, since he has no chance of winning, I won’t bother covering in great detail all the ways in which his plan is inherently bogus, such as:"

![Own_Yourself.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmSyT6vte6MjyXj6u7MrFFCyXNM238TjqptEYdBJ5ByHCc/Own_Yourself.jpg)

You are nitpicking like there's no tomorrow. I suppose that if we reached a state of total freedom, you'd object to it because it wasn't done the right way?  Would you stand so hard on principle that you'd crush the solution? Do you object to using the corrupt system against itself in order to destroy it?  That doesn't make sense to me.  

Your last paragraph starting with "As such" is just a hit piece and way below Larken Rose to say all that illogical nonsense.

I hope part 2 deals with the world we live in because if you think the elite are going to sit on their hands while we wait for 25% of us to become Anarchists, you're forgetting the lengths to which they are trying to keep us from learning the truth about anything.  That's delusional imho. 

![BrezezinskiKillMillion.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmVfEoRAyy9bGr3nHGsM7AqUhuipCxgBESkkVQymhYmqRo/BrezezinskiKillMillion.jpg) 

Please excuse/forgive the tone in places. I always bristle when I think someone is being treated unfairly.  I care not who. I wish you'd stop and question a few things but I don't know if you still can.  You've thought very deeply about so much that maybe your conclusions are beyond question.  I don't know but I wish you'd try to help your brother, Adam instead of whatever the heck this is. You KNOW he is not trying to be emperor. lol  enough aleady
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@larkenrose ·
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So you don't want to wait until "25% of us to become Anarchists" ... before trying to vote an anarchist into office? Do I need to explain the math here? And no, you not liking something doesn't automatically make it a "hit piece." As for "predicting the future," do you think every imaginable event is equally likely? For example, if Adam said he was going to flap his arms really fast and fly to the moon, would you get angry at me if I said that was never going to happen? It's clear that you WANT to believe that Adam's agenda has a chance. But it doesn't. At all. And for him to lead people like YOU on, making them think that is the answer, is counter-productive.
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@truthabides · (edited)
It's not a question of not wanting to wait, it's more like, can we afford to wait.  The noose gets tighter everyday.

>"before trying to vote an anarchist into office? Do I need to explain the math here?">

No, but I'm finding it hard to object to Adam using the same club that the state has been beating us over the head with for a 100+ years, to beat them out of existence.  It's poetic justice in a way.

>"And no, you not liking something doesn't automatically make it a "hit piece.">

 Yes, agreed but now I have to explain myself further by breaking it down - next post

No everything is not equally likely.  Believe me, I can make the case that Adam becoming President is impossible too. Not as well as you but I can take it much further than you have so far.  And I'm not angry, not at all.  I know I come off like that but it's truly meant only to be the logical facts - the way I see them.

And your saying that Adam doesn't have a chance is not the problem.  I have no objection, it's not like the statement is without logic and it's not like you, my friend, don't have the right to say whatever you think is right.

>"It's clear that you WANT to believe that Adam's agenda has a chance. But it doesn't. At all. And for him to lead people like YOU on, making them think that is the answer, is counter-productive.">

Of course, I do want to believe there's a chance to get our freedom back for the sake of our children.  That's everything for me.  What are we going to leave them with.  I shudder to think. I'm old. I remember when there was less government.  That was a good thing. The things I did back then without any fear of tyranny.. gov grew, things got worse.

I can't logically accept your premise that you for certain know a future outcome even if it is the most likely today. What could happen tomorrow to alter it?  We don't know and the possibilities are not subject to our imaginations.

Adam is certainly not leading ME on, I have no illusions.  I never had the impression he was trying to con anyone into believing the impossible.  It's a struggle and if nothing else, his campaign is going to open a lot of eyes.  People who believe they own themselves have done some critical thinking and are not such easily led sheep.  I don't know if that's true for sure but it makes sense.

You know if Adam was really just looking to become potus, he would not have chosen a plan which you say has no chance. I think he'd have taken a different, a less honest route like they all do.

I have seen no evidence or signs of what you're accusing him of.  If I did, I'd say it. 

I just keep thinking of how much help you with your knowledge could be in facilitating the elimination of the FED gov... that's a start isn't it.  I wish we could all pull in the same direction.

oh, just took a look at that last paragraph again... it's a really "sour" perspective that I've seen no evidence for.  I don't know what else to think but it sounds personal.  Is it?

fyi - I've never disagreed with one thing I've ever heard you say till now.  I'm always uplifted when I hear the truth.

Thank you, Larken Rose for all the truth you've told and all those eyes you've opened, mine included.
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@jayem ·
Larken has always convinced me with his brute logic. But not this time, or not yet anyway. Come on Larken we need better logic than this from you. Adam is free to do what ever he wants and if he is wasting his followers time pushing freedom through nefarious means, all the better for the freedom movement. I don't know but there's gotta be something you're not telling us Larken.
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