RE: BidBots - THEY DO NOT DRAIN THE STEEM REWARDPOOL! by doctorspence

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· @doctorspence ·
lol ok son of satire, that extreme case just furthers my point that theres a solution to all of your problems. To answer your question: "if that post was upvoted by the steemit inc account, would you have a problem with this?" No I do not have any problem with this, I think they could probably get a gun either way. But if YOU have a problem with it, then you can either power up SP and downvote Steemit INC to stop his flow of "funds" or you could just get a higher power involved like your government.
Your second question: "Do you not see the entire content aspect of the platform has been rendedered redundant by these bots?"
When you say platform do you mean Steemit.com or the Steem blockchain? I already told you that it's up to YOU and the community to do something about it by programming your own app that doesn't put bid-bot-upvoted posts in Hot and Trending. Make your own app that has its own search algorithm and interface. You don't have to do it alone or with your own funds, you can make posts about it ask for programming help and for funding.
Let me know if you need help with anything.
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@son-of-satire ·
No your idea is futile because the negative effects of vote-selling will effect the entirety of the STEEM network, not just Steemit, so making an dApp on STEEM will not help.

I would like to know what you think about curation rewards. They were stated to have been about encouraging fair voting to ensure the best content creators and curators got the best rewards. So do you believe that these vote-selling whales should be receiving curation rewards for selling votes and impoverishing a vast proportion of the community? A proprtion that will only increase with each purchased vote, as the necessity to rely on bidbots is perpetuated by their use? That's worthy of rewarding in the supposed spirit of fair curation that is targeted at quality content??

And I want to reiterate a point that you do not seem to have understood. At one point, the best way to make money on Steemit was to post good content (or choke on a mobydick). But now, the best way to make money on Steemit - and nearing the only way - is to buy your upvotes. So, it doesn;t take a lot of foresight to see that as the importance moves away from content creation, and simply paying for votes becomes tolerated by all, then Steemit will be forced to go under some radical changes, evolving into something completely different from a content creation platform, because it isn't content that is being rewarded anymore, it's customers that are.
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@doctorspence ·
That isn't my idea, its the actual design of the blockchain. You are literally trying to control people and tell them what to do in comment section instead of just using the blockchain the way it was designed. Steemit.com is just a beta window to the Steem blockchain, it was expected of the users to make a better site by now. Programing your own app sure does a hell of a lot more toward correct the problem compared to you complaining on everyone comment section making them dislike you. You waste so much time, I didn't even read what you wrote this time around because you are just trying to argue a point and complain instead of working on your problems. I hope this habit doesn't carry over into other aspects of your life.
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@son-of-satire ·
Considering the context by which your conversation arose with me, it is rather clear that you thought yourself worthy of picking up on the debate that your fellow pro-bidbot Steemian did not want to participate in.

This is the only reason I bothered to reply to you, because I do not want it to look to any future viewers of this post as though any of your position's arguments make sense.

But I have learned in recent months to recognize the moment when the debate is won, which is when your opponent abandons the topic of discussion and instead tries to attack your character to draw attention away from the points that they failed to address.

I see that moment has arrived. Have a good night and I do hope you will rethink your position from a perspective that seeks to achieve prosperity for as much of the community as possible, rather than a very small percentage. I will forgive your rudeness because I know from experience how worked up one can get when defending a belief of theirs.
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@doctorspence ·
BTW your idea that the two ways to make money on Steemit are to post good content or to pay for upvotes just furthers my point that the people who complain about bid bots are the people who are stuck on a very shallow social media way of thinking when in reality you are using a blockchain system, the people who reap the highest reward are people who program applications that add value to the blockhain, not people who make written posts or videos. You earn the most on Steemit by adding value, shit content doesn't add value, neither do bid bots. Programming your own applications on Steemit add value and will be rewarded whether its through delegation or taxing a percentage for usage like Dtube. 
At the end of the day, u are literally looking at this so shallow and complaining while everyone else thats getting on board with how Steemit system works is earning much more than you. You don't have to buy upvotes and u don't even have to post good content, u just have to know how to work the system.
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@doctorspence ·
![2.PNG](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmao3P6zpRYb6GkgBVDR7YCWdqR6uTxgaTNL1GY9mG9sfc/2.PNG)
Yea it's pretty much pointless to try to help you with your problems when you are so locked into your beliefs. All you are trying to do is debate a point. I'm not even arguing for bid bots, I'm literally telling you how Steemit was programmed to correct these problems and you reply with " your  idea is futile" like lol bruh im not trying to argue a point or come up with some new idea, this is literally how the site was made that u are using right now.  I'm literally teaching u how something works and u are saying " no but bid bots are bad tho" yea i don't give a fuck whether they are good or bad. I do not give a fuck about bid bots, I am trying to teach you how to correct your problems and become wealthy while fixing a community.
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@son-of-satire · (edited)
Lol. You're not teaching anyone how anything works. You can barely communicate. I understand very well how Steemit functions. An inability to read and write code does not equate to an inability to grasp the infrastructure of a blockchain ecosystem that you have been utilising for almost two years.

If you are not even arguing for bidbots then I don't know what you are trying to say at all. I didn't ask for a lesson on how not to format a comment.

The irony here is that I actually may have felt harsh about these words I said in the screenshot, if not for you rendering them legitimate. And I suppose there is an added chuckle's worth of irony in light of the fact that you are complaining that I'm apparently complaining.

Perhaps I am, but it feels more like trying to put out a fire in a home I've come to loathe yet reside in with a massive family I've come to care for. So I wonder what your inspiration for complaining is, because if it is truly trying to make me wealthy your advice is pretty shit.
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