RE: BidBots - THEY DO NOT DRAIN THE STEEM REWARDPOOL! by silentscreamer

View this thread on steempeak.com

Viewing a response to: @meno/re-fyrstikken-bidbots-they-do-not-drain-the-steem-rewardpool-20180602t231303068z

· @silentscreamer ·
$1.06
"Oh, I can't get anyone to support me on steem.... it must be the bidbots

Oh, the whales don't notice my work... it must be the bidbots

Oh, I haven't made any friends... it must be the bidbots

Oh, no one listens to my ideas.... it must be the bidbots."

Haha. I love your middle ground approach. 
But the fact of the matter is that if bot delegation reaches higher percentages, 70%, 80%, 90% (and it seems to go in that direction) who exactly will there be to support you?
Its not a matter of: "i deserve it more then the other guy".. 
It will be: "neither me or the other guy can get any kind of support". 

Bots are not the scapegoat. They are truly the biggest problem of Steem atm. Not because they are evil in their concept, its because of what they lead to through action of individuals that delegate to bots and who use them. 
Freedom absolute is not good for any of us. Even for those that support it. Im all for the EOS constitution Dan implemented. We need a consensus type rule book here as well.
👍  , , , ,
properties (23)
post_id51,484,875
authorsilentscreamer
permlinkre-meno-re-fyrstikken-bidbots-they-do-not-drain-the-steem-rewardpool-20180603t122905955z
categorybidbots
json_metadata"{"tags": ["bidbots"], "app": "steemit/0.1"}"
created2018-06-03 12:29:03
last_update2018-06-03 12:29:03
depth2
children2
net_rshares286,062,959,910
last_payout2018-06-10 12:29:03
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.874 SBD
curator_payout_value0.183 SBD
pending_payout_value0.000 SBD
promoted0.000 SBD
body_length1,010
author_reputation88,217,664,418,519
root_title"BidBots - THEY DO NOT DRAIN THE STEEM REWARDPOOL!"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 SBD
percent_steem_dollars10,000
author_curate_reward""
vote details (5)
@meno ·
$0.15
I'm not disagreeing with you Silent, not really... but the problem is not "the evil whales". I guess I would accept the idea of "the evil whales" more if I saw no dolphin or minnow delegating to bots and participating of the bid-bot buying too.

This reminds me a bit of how prohibition "worked". If we have a culture that wants it, then we can't effectively ban it, not really, we just create black markets for it.

Delusion Examples.-
"Yes, the solution to people smoking pot is that we make pot illegal and they will stop smoking the devils lettuce for sure"

"Yes, the solution to drunk driving is that we put them in jail if we catch them, and then nobody is ever going to drive drunk ever again"

Hence my approach on changing the culture, because unless the constituency is more educated on the subject, unless they understand balance, they will keep on working against their own self interest, due to a myopic short term mentality.

When you say Freedom Absolute is not good for us, maybe what you mean is the blurry lines (at times) where my freedom ends and someone else's rights start.  Which is to say, in the name of freedom, of self governance, I can't go to your house unannounced and eat everything in your fridge for example. Everyone would agree 100% with that statement, but if I felt compelled, entitled, within my rights to go to your house and eat all your food, the problem is with my mental state, my social ineptness, my failure to recognize the harm I'm causing... and not the fridge, not the food you left in there, and sure enough not the door that was easy to take down.

Hence my focus on educating the "young". the new users that come to the platform. We can't eliminate 100% abuse, because there will always be people that will feel entitled to break into your home and eat out of your fridge, but if enough people see that act as fringe, as the wrong behavior, then we can effectively create a cultural norm, or an equivalent of that in this platform.

Granted my example is ridiculous, but I'm attempting to make my point as clear as I can.

ps.- no food from any fridge has currently been stolen.
👍  , ,
properties (23)
post_id51,496,336
authormeno
permlinkre-silentscreamer-re-meno-re-fyrstikken-bidbots-they-do-not-drain-the-steem-rewardpool-20180603t142115198z
categorybidbots
json_metadata"{"tags": ["bidbots"], "app": "steemit/0.1"}"
created2018-06-03 14:21:15
last_update2018-06-03 14:21:15
depth3
children1
net_rshares42,731,664,560
last_payout2018-06-10 14:21:15
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.141 SBD
curator_payout_value0.013 SBD
pending_payout_value0.000 SBD
promoted0.000 SBD
body_length2,131
author_reputation227,335,189,892,062
root_title"BidBots - THEY DO NOT DRAIN THE STEEM REWARDPOOL!"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 SBD
percent_steem_dollars10,000
author_curate_reward""
vote details (3)
@silentscreamer ·
$0.09
Ahhhh. Yes exactly. Your freedom to smoke ends at my nose. 
The difference between some of the freedoms you mentioned, pot for example doesnt apply here since its actually beneficial to legalize it. 
Bots on other hand arent weed, theyre more like drunk driving. 
And no, you cant ban all actions that have an ill effect on society, but you can regulate them. 
People will always vote sell, but even if that vote selling can be cut drastically by making it inconvinient you have done good. 
You make the cost of participating in those actions cost more then the actual benefit by increasing the risk. 

And no, its not only whales. But 80% of SP is in whale hands. Theyre delegation is what fuels the machine. 

I just dont think people will realize this ever. Most know its hurting steem but they have no power to change it so they join in. Some of them anyways
👍  , , , ,
properties (23)
post_id51,500,424
authorsilentscreamer
permlinkre-meno-re-silentscreamer-re-meno-re-fyrstikken-bidbots-they-do-not-drain-the-steem-rewardpool-20180603t145854792z
categorybidbots
json_metadata"{"tags": ["bidbots"], "app": "steemit/0.1"}"
created2018-06-03 14:58:54
last_update2018-06-03 14:58:54
depth4
children0
net_rshares23,794,990,541
last_payout2018-06-10 14:58:54
cashout_time1969-12-31 23:59:59
total_payout_value0.080 SBD
curator_payout_value0.006 SBD
pending_payout_value0.000 SBD
promoted0.000 SBD
body_length862
author_reputation88,217,664,418,519
root_title"BidBots - THEY DO NOT DRAIN THE STEEM REWARDPOOL!"
beneficiaries[]
max_accepted_payout1,000,000.000 SBD
percent_steem_dollars10,000
author_curate_reward""
vote details (5)