RE: Challenge my current Hypothesis: Banning things does not achieve the stated goal... by sco

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I am not too familiar with the exact regulations in place in the US, but since you mention Switzerland, whose border is 50 km (miles?^^) from my hometown:
- you are right that within europe, they are quite liberal concerning gun rights
- BUT: they are far more regulated than the US. You have to take a test and gain a license that is only valid for 5 years before you are allowed to publicly carry a gun there. And this right does not include half-automatic weapons, which are prohibited to non-army/police members.
- even so, the number of gun deaths per capita is much higher in switzerland than in other european countries (source: http://derstandard.at/1379291321776/Studie-Viele-Feuerwaffen-viele-Totehttp://derstandard.at/1379291321776/Studie-Viele-Feuerwaffen-viele-Tote - sorry, it's in german)

So taken together that rather nails my point^^ Of course cultural differences also play a role, but I think there's sound evidence that tighter control leads to less idiots/criminals with guns, which leads to less gun deaths.

Concerning the Nazis I won't get into the who-is-nazi-and-who-not thing, it's really a completely seperate topic. Prohibiting Nazi symbols, Nazi revisionism and the occasional political party that came too close to that ideology has served us Austrian/Germans well in building our democracy after that very ideology destroyed our countries and our continent 70 years ago. That was my whole point here.

What I really wanted to say/show: Rules and regulations are not necessarily there to completely abolish a thing, but rather to diminish it. Thus, the argument "it is not possible to completely ban something" is technically true, but a bit empty. Imho, one should rather ask: 
"Is the loss of freedom that this particular regulation brings worth the benefits?"
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@dwinblood ·
>Concerning the Nazis I won't get into the who-is-nazi-and-who-not thing, it's really a completely seperate topic. Prohibiting Nazi symbols, Nazi revisionism and the occasional political party that came too close to that ideology has served us Austrian/Germans well in building our democracy after that very ideology destroyed our countries and our continent 70 years ago. That was my whole point here.

I figured you'd know what I meant about people talking about Nazis this day that have no clue.   I doubt this would be an issue in Germany.  It is a big issue in the U.S.   In the U.S. a Nazi is essentially anyone that disagrees with a left leaning liberal with no knowledge of history.  :)

>"Is the loss of freedom that this particular regulation brings worth the benefits?"

This is true.   Yet, we should also not immediately assume there are benefits.

I can tell you that Gun Control does not work in the U.S.    I do think this is more cultural than anything else.    I do not believe banning tools is the answer, or substances, or literature.     People in general do not like being told they have no choice, and having choice removed from them.    So really you need to actually educate and then provide some good REASONS that making a choice might be a good idea.    Then it is voluntary.

Allowing anyone to make rules to BAN something for other people is a slippery slope.   It sets precedence that other humans can remove voluntary choices from other people.

As some current examples of where this slope can lead.    Currently in Canada it is a crime to use the wrong gender pronoun.   This madness is spreading around the planet like wild fire.

People are advocating the use of government force against other people rather than having to debate, reason, and convince people.   Why put forth effort when you can convince the government to FORCE something?    Governments loathe to relinquish power once it is given to them.

Yes, that covers many topics but I believe they are all interrelated.
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